Coronavirus

[theiioftx]

You obviously didn't bother to read the studies so I'll do the work for you and make it easy.

Skip the other 10 studies I posted for you earlier and just read this one:

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

Take a good look at Exhibit 1 in that article.

I’m so thankful cases are on the decline especially in California and New York with the strongest mask mandates (womandates too).. This study proves it despite the fact cases are higher than ever. Thanks Austin24. I will wear my mask as I stoop under my desk.

 

[Run Pincher]

You obviously didn't bother to read the studies so I'll do the work for you and make it easy.

Skip the other 10 studies I posted for you earlier and just read this one:

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

Take a good look at Exhibit 1 in that article.

I don't have time to really dig in to this study, but it seems to me like the cases declined with warmer weather as they did everywhere. One of the basic rules of a controlled test is you can't have a valid study with multiple variables moving at the same time. In Six Sigma its called OFAT (One Factor at a Time).

 

[OUBubba]

I don't have time to really dig in to this study, but it seems to me like the cases declined with warmer weather as they did everywhere. One of the basic rules of a controlled test is you can't have a valid study with multiple variables moving at the same time. In Six Sigma its called OFAT (One Factor at a Time).

I think warm weather/cold weather is a big driver. Midwest went to poop in October. I have half a hunch that we have the new strain running through the US much more than we know.

 

[AustinHorn24]

I don't have time to really dig in to this study, but it seems to me like the cases declined with warmer weather as they did everywhere. One of the basic rules of a controlled test is you can't have a valid study with multiple variables moving at the same time. In Six Sigma its called OFAT (One Factor at a Time).

Weather may be a small factor but it's not deterministic, since cases were higher in July than they were in April.

 

[AustinHorn24]

I’m so thankful cases are on the decline especially in California and New York with the strongest mask mandates (womandates too).. This study proves it despite the fact cases are higher than ever. Thanks Austin24. I will wear my mask as I stoop under my desk.

Are you really this obtuse?

I never said that masks were perfect, I said they were better than nothing.

You have been arguing the whole time that masks do ZERO to help COVID, which is false.

All I have to do is show that masks are better than nothing at all, which I have already given you guys plenty of studies on.

If you choose to ignore that and remain ignorant, that's on you.

 

[AustinHorn24]

No, I read several of them. The first Chinese study was vague on the methods and seemed to draw a conclusion out of thin air. Another study used expert opinion as a method, which is inappropriate for trying to get approval for a medical device mandate. The coughing machine study was interesting and proved that masks were effective for the machine but had nothing to do with humans wearing a mask. The claim that N95 masks had greater than 99% efficacy was laughable.


Interesting. But retrospective studies like this have difficulty isolating the variables to prove cause and effect. I would like to hear the explanation for the current wave in California from these folks. IMO, this study alone does not justify a mask mandate.

The study at this link is probably the best one I have read. It shows that wearing a mask will reduce the travel of respiratory droplets, but wearing a mask alone is not sufficient to stop Covid.
On respiratory droplets and face masks

The study I showed is far better than anything you have brought to the table.

Did you actually read the study you just posted? First off, it shows exactly what I claimed, that wearing a mask reduces droplet spread. So now you are going to sit there and tell me that masks don't work because the masks arent perfect and the droplet spread wasnt reduced to zero? That's an absurd threshold. Using your logic, we shouldn't have mandatory seat belt laws because seat belts don't prevent 100% of deaths.

Let me say this one more time: I NEVER SAID MASKS WERE PERFECT, I SAID THE EVIDENCE SHOWS THEY ARE BETTER THAN WEARING NOTHING.

I'll keep repeating that over and over again if necessary.

 

[mb227]

So proud of you boy! We knew we got the right guy to examine spit. Keep up the good work. Some may think your job is nasty, but it s not!

Someone sure had a spitty job...talk about the spit end of the stick.

 

[mb227]

I think warm weather/cold weather is a big driver. Midwest went to poop in October. I have half a hunch that we have the new strain running through the US much more than we know.

Considering that the Ravens had FOUR strains in their locker room at the same time, I would put your hunch in the same category as those who have a hunch that water is wet or that bears do indeed crap in the woods.

 

[OUBubba]

Considering that the Ravens had FOUR strains in their locker room at the same time, I would put your hunch in the same category as those who have a hunch that water is wet or that bears do indeed crap in the woods.

Thanks Einstein, I meant the new strain that's "all the rage" in Europe that is much more contagious.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

The study I showed is far better than anything you have brought to the table.

Did you actually read the study you just posted? First off, it shows exactly what I claimed, that wearing a mask reduces droplet spread. So now you are going to sit there and tell me that masks don't work because the masks arent perfect and the droplet spread wasnt reduced to zero? That's an absurd threshold. Using your logic, we shouldn't have mandatory seat belt laws because seat belts don't prevent 100% of deaths.

Let me say this one more time: I NEVER SAID MASKS WERE PERFECT, I SAID THE EVIDENCE SHOWS THEY ARE BETTER THAN WEARING NOTHING.

I'll keep repeating that over and over again if necessary.

You can repeat it as often as you like, we'll keep ignoring you, save to wind you up whenever we want to, and see YOU GET REALLY MAD AND START WRITING ALL IN CAPS!!!

It's fine to have different opinions, it's why were on this board, and we all enjoy the postings and moonshine ramblings of OU Bubba. Try to learn how he does it and not be so tiresome.

 

[theiioftx]

Are you really this obtuse?

I never said that masks were perfect, I said they were better than nothing.

You have been arguing the whole time that masks do ZERO to help COVID, which is false.

All I have to do is show that masks are better than nothing at all, which I have already given you guys plenty of studies on.

If you choose to ignore that and remain ignorant, that's on you.

Do you even read other's posts or think about them? I clearly stated cloth masks, when worn properly, have some positive effects. So does sneezing into your sleeve, but I know you are an expert on spit and snot.

What I am telling you is the government's (federal/state/local) reaction and edicts have done more harm than good. A virus is going to virus. Telling people that you will cure this virus by wearing a cloth mask is pure idiocy.

 

[AustinHorn24]

You can repeat it as often as you like, we'll keep ignoring you, save to wind you up whenever we want to, and see YOU GET REALLY MAD AND START WRITING ALL IN CAPS!!!

It's fine to have different opinions, it's why were on this board, and we all enjoy the postings and moonshine ramblings of OU Bubba. Try to learn how he does it and not be so tiresome.

Like I said before, all of us start out ingorant in life. But choosing to remain there is a decision. You have obviously made your decision clear.

 

[AustinHorn24]

Do you even read other's posts or think about them? I clearly stated cloth masks, when worn properly, have some positive effects. So does sneezing into your sleeve, but I know you are an expert on spit and snot.

What I am telling you is the government's (federal/state/local) reaction and edicts have done more harm than good. A virus is going to virus. Telling people that you will cure this virus by wearing a cloth mask is pure idiocy.

No, you said that masks don't work and provide no benefit. You were clearly proven wrong, and now you want to come back and lie about it.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

More insults. This dude can't do anything except lash out and call people names if they don't agree with him - people are ignorant if they don't agree with him, or calling them liars.

Just give it a rest - you're not convincing anyone of anything, and just making yourself look foolish. But we all are all having a good chuckle at the frantic and high and mighty tone of all your posts. And please MORE CAPS!!!, that such a hoot!

 

[Duck Dodgers]

Like I said before, all of us start out ingorant in life.

And apparently, some stay there!

I'm uphauled!

 

[4th_floor]

The study I showed is far better than anything you have brought to the table.

You want to hang your hat on a retrospective study with no controls? OK.

Did you actually read the study you just posted? First off, it shows exactly what I claimed, that wearing a mask reduces droplet spread. So now you are going to sit there and tell me that masks don't work because the masks arent perfect and the droplet spread wasnt reduced to zero? That's an absurd threshold. Using your logic, we shouldn't have mandatory seat belt laws because seat belts don't prevent 100% of deaths.

I thought you said your retrospective study was better than anything I had found. Yet, you will argue your point with the study I linked. OK, typical emotional response. I read the study I posted. I agree that the study indicates that masks reduce droplet spread. But the study also indicates that the masks will not stop the spread of a highly infectious disease such as Covid-19, and further study into improved mask design for health care workers is needed. IMO, this study does not support further mask mandates.

Let me say this one more time: I NEVER SAID MASKS WERE PERFECT, I SAID THE EVIDENCE SHOWS THEY ARE BETTER THAN WEARING NOTHING.

I'll keep repeating that over and over again if necessary.

If masks are not perfect or near perfect, how can they stop the spread of Covid? How many viruses are necessary to cause an infection?

 

[AustinHorn24]

Yet another study showing benefit of masks:

Association of country-wide coronavirus mortality with demographics, testing, lockdowns, and public wearing of masks

Results In univariate (but not multivariable) analyses, prevalence of smoking, per-capita gross domestic product, and colder average country temperature were positively associated with coronavirus-related mortality. In a multivariable analysis of 183 countries, urbanization, the duration of the infection in the country, and percent of the population at least 60 years of age were all positively associated with per-capita mortality, while duration of mask-wearing by the public was negatively associated with mortality (all p<0.001). In countries with cultural norms or government policies supporting public mask-wearing, per-capita coronavirus mortality increased on average by just 5.4% each week, as compared with 48% each week in remaining countries. In the multivariable analysis, lockdowns tended to be associated with less mortality (p=0.31), and per-capita testing with higher reported mortality (p=0.26), though neither association was statistically significant.

 

[AustinHorn24]

More insults. This dude can't do anything except lash out and call people names if they don't agree with him - people are ignorant if they don't agree with him, or calling them liars.

Just give it a rest - you're not convincing anyone of anything, and just making yourself look foolish. But we all are all having a good chuckle at the frantic and high and mighty tone of all your posts. And please MORE CAPS!!!, that such a hoot!

Well I already provided over a dozen studies to show the anti-mask people on this forum that the data shows they are wrong.

But many of them, including you apparently, decide that you don't care what the data shows and we're supposed to agree that you're right about masks, based on no evidence, but instead based on nonsensical thinking with no rational or scientific basis.

 

[horninchicago]

Pro mask people just can't understand personal responsibility. If you think Covid is so bad, stay home. Hospitals are fine. Businesses are suffering.

Enough already. You want to wear a mask to protect me? Great, I don't care.

 

[theiioftx]

No, you said that masks don't work and provide no benefit. You were clearly proven wrong, and now you want to come back and lie about it.

Thanks for making things up and proving my point that you don't actually read or think through other sponsoring members posts. Of course that’s been your posting policy while calling everyone white trash that disagrees with you.

I’m on board. Wearing cloth masks will stop this virus. Hell its proven so over the last 10 months. The record number of cases don't lie and the doctors I work with are all idoits. I am sure we should make Fauci some sort of saint. After all, it was inspiring watching him sit side by side with others at the Nationals game without a mask on.

Feel free to keep lapping up the MSM nonsense, posting random studies and calling everyone white trash. We love you spit boy, we really do.

 

[AustinHorn24]

the doctors I work with are all idoits.

To be clear, if the doctors you work with told you that masks don't work at all and provide zero protection against COVID, then YES they are idiots and I'd like to get their contact info and report them to the medical board for being idiots, even though the medical board probably won't do anything about it because they have a staff of about 10 people in Austin to cover the entire state.

Hell I'd like to meet them face to face and tell them what idiots they are.

So please give us their information.

You obviously like to pull out the "I know doctors" card but I'm pretty sure I know more doctors than you do. You never know, I could be a doctor for all you know. But regardless of my occupation, my point is that decisions should be driven by data, and the messenger is important for some context but is not the end all, be all. If I work at McDonalds but tell you that bactrim is a poor antibiotic choice for strep throat, the fact that I work at McDonalds is irrelevant towards the accuracy of my statement.

 

[horninchicago]

 

[mb227]

Thanks Einstein, I meant the new strain that's "all the rage" in Europe that is much more contagious.

You mean the less fatal variant that people are wetting their pants over? Big deal. More contagious but less lethal puts it in the category of, oh what am I looking for...oh yeah, an average flu season.

 

[theiioftx]

To be clear, if the doctors you work with told you that masks don't work at all and provide zero protection against COVID, then YES they are idiots and I'd like to get their contact info and report them to the medical board for being idiots, even though the medical board probably won't do anything about it because they have a staff of about 10 people in Austin to cover the entire state.

Hell I'd like to meet them face to face and tell them what idiots they are.

So please give us their information.

You obviously like to pull out the "I know doctors" card but I'm pretty sure I know more doctors than you do. You never know, I could be a doctor for all you know. But regardless of my occupation, my point is that decisions should be driven by data, and the messenger is important for some context but is not the end all, be all. If I work at McDonalds but tell you that bactrim is a poor antibiotic choice for strep throat, the fact that I work at McDonalds is irrelevant towards the accuracy of my statement.

So are you a medical doctor? Inquiring minds want to know. You just posted to make us think you are. Feel free to state so you have some credibility.

I have been working with doctors for 30 years. Given you have young children, I am guessing that yes I do know more doctors than you.

So two things. If you are a doctor, why are you posting here during the day when you could be taking care of Covid patients or generating income? And two, with that big doctor salary, why can't you sponsor?

And everyone knows a Z pack (that's azithromycin) is best for strep throat. Who the hell prescribes Bactrim for strep?

 

[theiioftx]

He does own three weapons.

 

[horninchicago]

He does own three weapons.

Oh yeah, busy shooting white trash thugs.

 

[AustinHorn24]

You mean the less fatal variant that people are wetting their pants over? Big deal. More contagious but less lethal puts it in the category of, oh what am I looking for...oh yeah, an average flu season.

I have to admit that my initial impression of COVID in March was that it was similar to the flu. But I was wrong. A normal flu season is about 30k deaths. A "bad" flu season is 70-90k. The only time the flu came close to killing this many people was 103 years ago.

Here we are 10 months later and now closing in on 400k deaths. I think we'll hit at least 500k deaths before things start to turn around. That's around the same # of people we lost in World War 2.

 

[Monahorns]

Good reminder to us all about the critical thinking needed when covering topics like COVID. Several parallel forms of data need to be reviewed and compared together. Context of all of it has to be included including timelines, test protocols, geographies, etc.

True Understanding In Lower Levels Of Knowledge

Studies look at small amounts of people in 1 geographic location all the while not being able to hold all non-experimental factors constant. So conclusions have to be taken carefully and compared to everything else. Again. Look at real world data. Look at all the states and countries around the world. The NPIs haven't worked. Why should we double down on failed measures? All the while our children are missing out on life and we are hurting poor people with the arbitrary shut downs.

But still. If you want to wear a mask or 3. Do it. This SHOULD be a free country.

 

[Monahorns]

Here we are 10 months later and now closing in on 400k deaths. I think we'll hit at least 500k deaths before things start to turn around. That's around the same # of people we lost in World War 2.

That is combining COVID seasons though. We had one essentially March-August 2020 and now we have another Oct 2020 - Jan/Feb?2021.

 

[horninchicago]

@Monahorns, please allow me, a non critical thinker, to translate the above comments.

Mask mandates are ********. Does that about "cover" it?