Coronavirus

It was only a matter of time before the middle-America rural states got hit hard. North Dakota, with a mere 760k citizens, is in a dire situation:



The Gov said last week that nurses that tested positive but are asymptomatic will be allowed to continue working in Covid wards due to an acute shortage of nurses.

 
Seattle Husker, that isn't surprising based on what we saw in the Sun Belt over the summer. Here is the thing. With what we know today, shouldn't we ramp up hospital capacity where needed, maybe have lockdowns for a week or 2 with mask mandates, then open up society and let the virus go through the population fully?

Do that while shielding old, sick, and susceptible during the early open phase. That gets the virus through the healthy population and defeated, then we get to Sweden.
 
Monahorns said:
Seattle Husker, that isn't surprising based on what we saw in the Sun Belt over the summer. Here is the thing. With what we know today, shouldn't we ramp up hospital capacity where needed, maybe have lockdowns for a week or 2 with mask mandates, then open up society and let the virus go through the population fully?

Do that while shielding old, sick, and susceptible during the early open phase. That gets the virus through the healthy population and defeated, then we get to Sweden.
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If we'd all wear masks when out and about and when inside with people not living with us, wash our hands, and use hand sanitizer we'd be fine. Unfortunately, there is no discipline for that so we are where we are. Tulsa, OK hit their max ICU beds on Monday or Tuesday. The real challenge continues to be overburdening our hospital system. If we'd all do the simple things we could have more freedom to continue to do business and enjoy restaurants. Instead, we go to rallies unmasked. We go to protests mostly masked but with no social distancing and screaming at the top of our lungs. We have all our friends over to house parties unmasked thinking "we've all be quarantining so we must be safe". We are our own worst enemy.
 
Monahorns said:
Seattle Husker, that isn't surprising based on what we saw in the Sun Belt over the summer. Here is the thing. With what we know today, shouldn't we ramp up hospital capacity where needed, maybe have lockdowns for a week or 2 with mask mandates, then open up society and let the virus go through the population fully?

Do that while shielding old, sick, and susceptible during the early open phase. That gets the virus through the healthy population and defeated, then we get to Sweden.
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I'm on board with that. I really think we should do all of that pre-Thanksgiving.
 
My industry and many coworkers are suffering because of all these lockdowns and closures. Anyone thinking they are a good idea to save literally 1% of people who can't save themselves really have a screw loose and zero credibility in my eyes. Absolutely insane. Zero respect for any off you thinking they are a good idea. And, yes, I mean it.
 
We KNOW with certainty who are 99%of the most vulnerable. Hard to believe anyone with someone vulnerable would not take all precautions
Is there any data on how many vulnerable are among the newest cases?
 
horninchicago said:
My industry and many coworkers are suffering because of all these lockdowns and closures. Anyone thinking they are a good idea to save literally 1% of people who can't save themselves really have a screw loose and zero credibility in my eyes. Absolutely insane. Zero respect for any off you thinking they are a good idea. And, yes, I mean it.
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With only that in mind, you could be right. That said if we overwhelm the system things could go really south.
 
One of Biden's scientists...

A Biden COVID-19 advisor called for a national lockdown lasting up to 6 weeks. The US had a 'big pool of money' to pay for any lost wages, he said.


  • A US nationwide lockdown lasting four to six weeks would help control the coronavirus and revive the US economy, Michael Osterholm, a COVID-19 advisor to President-elect Joe Biden, said Wednesday.

  • Osterholm told Yahoo Finance that the US had a "big pool of money" that could support the economy during lockdown until a vaccine is publicly available.
Hell, I have a big pool of money too if you count all the credit cards I could open up...

Oh wait... TAX THE RICH! Yes... so easy.
 
Seattle Husker said:
If we'd all wear masks when out and about and when inside with people not living with us, wash our hands, and use hand sanitizer we'd be fine. Unfortunately, there is no discipline for that so we are where we are. Tulsa, OK hit their max ICU beds on Monday or Tuesday. The real challenge continues to be overburdening our hospital system. If we'd all do the simple things we could have more freedom to continue to do business and enjoy restaurants. Instead, we go to rallies unmasked. We go to protests mostly masked but with no social distancing and screaming at the top of our lungs. We have all our friends over to house parties unmasked thinking "we've all be quarantining so we must be safe". We are our own worst enemy.
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Nobody regurgitates the liberal view like you. Lap it up dog.
 
OUBubba said:
That BS would have flown before testing was ubiquitous. Since April/May that's a non starter President Trump. Every admit will get tested at some point, especially if they're going into an ICU or COVID area.

They do get paid more because they get reimbursed in a cost based system and COVID costs more to treat than other things. The uptick is not significant. It is probably similar to the difference in the same diagnosis between hospitals.
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So there is no payment for overstating Covid? Do tell insurance boy.
 
If we'd all wear masks when out and about and when inside with people not living with us, wash our hands, and use hand sanitizer we'd be fine.
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This is complete and utter ********* SH, I'm sorry.

Unfortunately, there is no discipline for that so we are where we are. Tulsa, OK hit their max ICU beds on Monday or Tuesday. The real challenge continues to be overburdening our hospital system. If we'd all do the simple things we could have more freedom to continue to do business and enjoy restaurants. Instead, we go to rallies unmasked. We go to protests mostly masked but with no social distancing and screaming at the top of our lungs. We have all our friends over to house parties unmasked thinking "we've all be quarantining so we must be safe". We are our own worst enemy.
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Power hungry people always blame others not being obedient enough. It is blaming those being harmed. It's ugly.

I also can't believe that Tulsa hit their max of ICU beds. I have seen that claim dozens of times, and they have all been proven false. But even if it is true, hospitals should flex their service to what is needed. They know covid is out their. It's on them. Not others.

SH, there is graph after graph from countries and US states showing cases over time with mask mandates and lockdown shown on the timeline. NONE of them show the efficacy of masks and lockdowns.

Damn us all to hell for wanting be human and live life. Since we don't want to do what government pricks want us to do they now get to use batons and guns to force us into what they want. Cracking skulls for their good would be a good slogan.
 
5% difference in positivity rate. #positives/#tests. 20% v. 15%. When he started tracking it it was similar but smaller - 12 v. 8, 15 v. 11, etc.
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Okay. That makes sense. There are problems with that approach and would need to understand more to understand how statistically significant that gap is, but makes sense.
 
With only that in mind, you could be right. That said if we overwhelm the system things could go really south.
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I agree Bubba. But the answer is to expand service or flex capabilities to handle the current situation. We are the customer and they are the supplier. Supplier should serve the customer.

Do you know what it is called when the supplier dictates the supply of the good? Monopoly. It is a functional monopoly.
 
Williamson County just announced an increase to Orange, saying the spread in the country is high. However, the %pos is ~4% and I am tracking cases, the daily avg over the week went up 30 to 45-50. % wise it is significant, but we are actually in a very low case rate, so this level of increase is significant but "high".

These politicians and Health Care Orgs are either completely stupid or completely power hungry.
 
theiioftx said:
So there is no payment for overstating Covid? Do tell insurance boy.
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I think the covid diagnosis is 3,500 more as compared to pneumonia. Auditors will audit covid charts and a civic diagnosis without a positive test would be labeled as fraud. You might get away with it in march. But after the big labs had the testing in their quiver no respiratory patients were being admitted without a positive
 
horninchicago said:
My industry and many coworkers are suffering because of all these lockdowns and closures. Anyone thinking they are a good idea to save literally 1% of people who can't save themselves really have a screw loose and zero credibility in my eyes. Absolutely insane. Zero respect for any off you thinking they are a good idea. And, yes, I mean it.
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When you consider the collateral damage this is definitely true, and thinking we're helping save lives is exactly the opposite.

I talked to good friend the other day who happens to be a vice principal in one of the largest school districts in Texas. He stated unequivocally that online education is going horribly. Parents will not keep their kids in front of a computer and there's nothing the teachers can do. Also, kids aren't getting the vaccines and other treatments they need so there's going to be a surge in the old diseases. And of course it hurts the poor the worst, you know the ones the libs pretend they care about.

Not to mention the suicide rate is going up.
 
What if I told you a secret? Covid patients don’t necessarily need to be treated in the ICU. But spread the fear because the recounts are coming.
 
OUBubba said:
I think the covid diagnosis is 3,500 more as compared to pneumonia. Auditors will audit covid charts and a civic diagnosis without a positive test would be labeled as fraud. You might get away with it in march. But after the big labs had the testing in their quiver no respiratory patients were being admitted without a positive
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Every patient is getting tested. An asymptomatic patient coming in for a car wreck gets the additional charge. I think the charge is closer to $12,000 but I can’t substantiate that. It is just what I heard in a meeting early on.

All of my facilities allow Covid positive clinicians to continue to practice.
 
Mayor Lightfoot and Gretchen Whitmer doing their parts to spread the panic, threatening shutdowns in Chicago and Michigan respectively. Oh, and don't have anybody over for Thanksgiving (and probably Christmas too).
 
Every patient is getting tested. An asymptomatic patient coming in for a car wreck gets the additional charge. I think the charge is closer to $12,000 but I can’t substantiate that. It is just what I heard in a meeting early on.
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iis, where is this $12,000 coming from?
 
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