Coronavirus

Phil Elliott said:
At my wife's district, it's almost exclusively teachers who are demanding schools stay closed. The parents pretty much all want them to open on schedule.
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My wife wants to be in the classroom. It's her 25th year teaching, but will be her first time teaching 1st grade. She has no idea how she will establish the necessary relationship with those kids if she can't be with them.
 
My wife wants to be in the classroom. It's her 25th year teaching, but will be her first time teaching 1st grade. She has no idea how she will establish the necessary relationship with those kids if she can't be with them.
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My wife is in the same boat and is worried about the same thing.
 
dukesteer said:
I’m late to this phase of the discussion so forgive me if this is repetitious.

Given that a tremendous number of non- Covid “elective” procedures — perhaps 90 percent (just a guess) were put off from March through June, wouldn’t the pent up demand alone put enormous pressure on the hospital system? Add to that the fact that staff was furloughed during the quarantine period due to lack of demand for services and you have a formula to massively stress the system, Covid or no Covid.
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PPE? Yes. ICU? No.
 
theiioftx said:
Bubba I’ll assume your Dr’s wife is a clinician of some sort. Yes there is lots of stressful work and the typically understaffed facilities are feeling it. When you look at actual utilization data versus worked hours, it’s not out of line. But the stress is astronomical. Right now, there is no bed capacity issue. Actual data proves it.
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I was sitting in the medical pod this morning. A nurse got off the phone. A patient was transferred by plane to Bentonville, AR because Tulsa/OKC had no ICU beds available. I'll have a conference call tomorrow morning and will no more officially.
 
Monahorns said:
mchammer, no one really knows. The numbers being reported by states and CDC are worthless. Listen to minutes 15-60 of this video detailing the COVID case definition and counting policy change.
May 18, 2020 Commissioners Court
This is the smoking gun folks. I knew policy changed and went into effect in early June, specifically June 9 but hadn't seen firsthand information.
This is it. Texas Epidemiology rep gives all the data. I credit the Collin County Court with understanding what was going to happen with reporting. This is from May 18.
We've all been lied to folks. We are still being lied to but the link is the antidote or the red pill or whatever other metaphor. This doesn't mean cases aren't going up. It means we HAVE been overcounting since June and we have NO clue what the actually epidemic trend has been.
One of the people comments about how in until the policy change the counties were reporting the data themselves. Hospitals were reporting to county offices. The trend was down and very low. But the state took all that away. The state now reports for everyone. County data is still available but the Texas DSHS controls everything. Find the leader of the TDSHS and you will find a villian most likely. Would love to see who that is and what his/her other affiliations are.
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They can pad the testing numbers and they can even falsely attribute x number of deaths to the coronavirus, but what they cannot do is create more deaths out of thin air (or I dont think they can, at least)

It's not that hard to work through. New York state started this by demanding older folks with positive tests back into nursing homes and assisted living facilities. The state did this because they were in a panic that the hospitals were going to be overrun. But, of course, the hospitals were never overrun.

Unfortunately, several other states followed New York's lead -- I think it was New Jersey and Michigan and another one or two. This was a huge mistake. A mistake that cost many unnecessary lives. It was probably the single biggest political mistake in the US at any level since going into Iraq. This is where the majority of corona-deaths occurred and why. And the only reason people (like teachers) dont get this point today is because the media has been covering it up. They do this because the culprits were Democrats.

In any event, the death rate in Texas/Florida is never going to come anywhere near what happened in New York because we did not follow New York's lead. We did not put elderly patients who tested positive back in nursing homes/assisted living facilities. And we are not going to. It is not that complicated. And, if we had an honest media, everyone would already know this.
 
OUBubba said:
Maybe because people are wearing masks more regular?
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Herd immunity due to cross immunity. Recent papers suggest 20% COVID-19 infection provides herd immunity. How come you don’t hear about cases anymore at the meat packing plants? You think the social distancing there is effective at all?
 
Maybe because people are wearing masks more regular?
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Looking at cases across the US over the last 4 months, there have been outbreaks and die outs all over across areas where all kinds of different behavior is followed. P-value is high trying to determine effect of masks.
 
OUBubba said:
Maybe because people are wearing masks more regular?
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If wearing a mask is all that is needed, why did we shut down the economy, closed schools and churches, and closed beaches and parks? Alternatively the virus is highly contagious, the masks help a little, and the infection curve peaks due to herd immunity (acquired by COVID and other coronaviruses). The facts support the latter. Further, do you think the social distancing as practiced by Americans in Florida, Texas, and other states of the south (see NC, SC, TN, etc) stops the virus? LULZ. Herd immunity is our only hope and thankfully a lot lower than expected. It could have been much worse.

Unlike your buddy Husker who disappeared after the Flynn reversal, I will eat crow if I am wrong.
 
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Sorry to hear that Bubba. Just heard a friend had her daughter and sister contract it. For each of them was fou like just lasted a bit longer. They were fortunate.
 
Can someone supply one study that proves masks are definitely effective? I can find many who say they are not effective.

Fauci stated they were not effective.
The CDC said they were not effective.
WHO stated they were not effective.
 
Can someone tell me if Chile did anything different in terms of social distancing on the up slope vs the downslope? Otherwise, why the sign reversal?

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mchammer said:
Can someone tell me if Chile did anything different in terms of social distancing on the up slope vs the downslope? Otherwise, why the sign reversal?

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Wiki says the lockdowns started in March-April. So why the reversal in cases?
 
Looks like the same thing happened in Chile as everywhere else. If they don't change their testing policy they won't see an uptick. In Texas, we changed test policy in June. Look at the video I posted above. Explains the June-July increase in Texas.
 
theiioftx said:
Can someone supply one study that proves masks are definitely effective? I can find many who say they are not effective.

Fauci stated they were not effective.
The CDC said they were not effective.
WHO stated they were not effective.
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They are not proven effective at keeping the mask wearer from getting it. I think the large benefit of the masks is to keep the spread of "fluids" to a small area as opposed to a large area. It makes sense. My mask protects you from me, not me from you.
 
There is limited to no evidence that your mask protects others even if worn and cared for properly. The link I posted earlier discusses that. The CDC stated that their early recommendation was only due to preventing a run on N-95's by the public.

My real question is why not make N-95's mandatory? I believe therein lies the answer to this public health problem.
 
N-95s will probably never be manufactured at a volume where everyone can have one.

I have also watched videos where masks are worn and show where the exhale goes. It goes out of the sides. You may not breathe into a person's face, but you still create a "cloud" of aerosol. The mask itself doesn't filter that out of your inhale. Any mask that can, will restrict Oxygen and can only be worn for a short period of time. The key is room ventilation. You have to break up the "clouds". Dilute them, remove them or at least move them around. That is more important than masks.
 
mchammer said:
If wearing a mask is all that is needed, why did we shut down the economy, closed schools and churches, and closed beaches and parks? Alternatively the virus is highly contagious, the masks help a little, and the infection curve peaks due to herd immunity (acquired by COVID and other coronaviruses). The facts support the latter. Further, do you think the social distancing as practiced by Americans in Florida, Texas, and other states of the south (see NC, SC, TN, etc) stops the virus? LULZ. Herd immunity is our only hope and thankfully a lot lower than expected. It could have been much worse.

Unlike your buddy Husker who disappeared after the Flynn reversal, I will eat crow if I am wrong.
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I think we are learning about this virus as we go. I listened to an interview by the doc in Germany who first alerted the world of asymptomatic spread and that was not accepted by the medical community initially.
 
It's just funny how we have politicized masks. It's nuts. Unmarked federal officers are kidnapping protesters in Portland yet we're screaming "liberty" when it comes to masks.
 
OUBubba said:
It's just funny how we have politicized masks. It's nuts. Unmarked federal officers are kidnapping protesters in Portland yet we're screaming "liberty" when it comes to masks.
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There are other threads to spew that ******** about "kidnapping" "protesters". Nice attempt at a diversion though. Total ********.
 
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