Chance of Football in 2020

[AC]

FYI - hospitals can both be overloaded with real patients and reporting false cases, in some cases within the same hospital.

Before Covid hospitals in San Antonio where my parents live we’re mostly busy with all types of patients. The rumor, fact, whatever is that it’s just a reporting and money trail issue. Unfortunately it’s more political than anything. R’s don’t believe it, D’s do.

 

[I35]

Won’t be a problem for the dept to meet the 50% guidelines due to fear porn. What will be funny if Horns are undefeated and the antibody therapy is fully approved and in the field by mid-October (after the OU game).

As I mentioned above about missing only three games. One was in “2005” when 7-0 Texas vs 7-0 Tech. I got stuck in Cancun due to Hurricane Wilma.

 

[RainH2burntO]

The padded stat conspiracy is all over the internet. Are full hospitals padded stats? My step daughter and husband are nurses working in a covid ward. Working their butt off and getting more patients every day. They are not treating fake cases. Patients are in gurneys in the hallways waiting hours to bee seen. A friend of mine told a friend of mine that heard that the hospital was padding covid deaths in order to get more money from the government stories are getting old.

Maybe getting old but doesn't mean it isnt happening. It certainly is...and it is is disgraceful as well as disrespectful to those who actually are suffering. The fact is unnecessary panic and fear is being stoked within the walls of some facilities and patients who come in with minor symptoms at some of these facilities are being treated in a manner that jeopardizes their mental, emotional, and physical well-being. While it is good to hear accounts like yours, people need to know these stories, also. They, too, come from real people in real situations. It isn't either or nor mutually exclusive....neither of our posts nor information within them negates the other.

Edit: I played tennis tonight with two doctor friends. Both expressed great concerns that their respective hospitals were paying an inordinate and unnecessary amount of time, energy and resources to covid positive patients who were not even seriously ill to the detriment of others in need.
One of them also added that one of their peers and friend's (who is an MD) wife tested positive for covid and was hospitalized. The doctor (her husband) sensed something was wrong as the other doctors presumed covid treatment and her condition worsened to near-death. He reevaluated her himself and found she had virtually no serious covid symptoms but was suffering greatly from Legioneers disease. The doctors treated her and she recovered and they speculated with a fair dedree of certainty that she most likely contracted the disease as a result of wearing a mask and consequent bacterial infection.
Take it for whatever you believe its worth but I believe these stories, as well as the horror stories of "treatment" in New York, need to be told.

 

[LikeMike]

Am an alum. Most of family are. BUT, football is not as important as our health and rebuilding our economy. 50% attendance is not responsible where are Covid numbers are at present.

 

[mchammer]

Am an alum. Most of family are. BUT, football is not as important as our health and rebuilding our economy. 50% attendance is not responsible where are Covid numbers are at present.

By Sept and Oct we will be closer to herd immunity. It won’t cause a spike in cases in other words. Also, there should be antibody treatment by then, cutting deaths by 80-90%. Finally people who are responsible and relatively healthy can decide their own risk.

 

[LikeMike]

Herd immunity is generally thought to require at least 60% of population. If we have about 75 days till Oct 1 we will need about 240,000 Texans to get the virus daily to get there.
If we cut deaths by 90% who are the lucky 10%? For a football game?
No doubt you can make up your mind about your own activities. But, I'm over 60, don't see any reason to risk death for a football game.

 

[RainH2burntO]

By Sept and Oct we will be closer to herd immunity. It won’t cause a spike in cases in other words. Also, there should be antibody treatment by then, cutting deaths by 80-90%. Finally people who are responsible and relatively healthy can decide their own risk.

My wife is very gifted, well-schooled, and knowledgeable in regards to all things health. She told me in April this would make it's way through the population one way or the other, sooner or later.

 

[SabreHorn]

Did I misunderstand or didn't all of Scandinavia achieve "herd immunity" at between 15-20%?

 

[LikeMike]

CNBC four days ago, "Sweden, Example of How Not to Handle the Pandemic". Their deaths per million population is higher than ours. Have not achieved herd immunity.

 

[horninchicago]

More requirements to wear masks all over and yet there are supposedly more cases? What a crock of ****.

Stay the hell home whoever is afraid to go to a ball game or anywhere else for ****'s sake.

 

[mchammer]

Herd immunity is generally thought to require at least 60% of population. If we have about 75 days till Oct 1 we will need about 240,000 Texans to get the virus daily to get there.
If we cut deaths by 90% who are the lucky 10%? For a football game?
No doubt you can make up your mind about your own activities. But, I'm over 60, don't see any reason to risk death for a football game.

40% of population have cross immunity due to prior contact with weaker coronavirus colds. Links to multiple papers on the subject have been posted on this site on other boards. So, when you have 20% of the population infected with COVID-19, you are at the 60% threshold. Further you may not be aware that for every known case of COVID-19, there are 10 unknown cases (at least to the authorities). NY, NJ, MA, CT, RI, and DC in US northeast and the Western European countries have reached herd immunity. There are no surges or second waves in their territories. Look it up. Compare their known case numbers with the numbers in TX, AZ, and FL. We are approaching those levels, which is why cases have peaked and now dropping.

Look up the daily death rates for auto accidents, suicides, murder, and drug overdoses (all preventable by the way in theory). It’s about 500 daily deaths. Today the COVID daily death rate is approx 900 with about 60% occurring in nursing homes. No one is suggesting going to a game and acting irresponsible. Going to the grocery store 3x per week is probably the same amount of risk as going to the game. Finally, for people under 40, the risk driving to the game is higher than dying from COVID.

Get your facts straight before spreading fear porn.

 

[mchammer]

CNBC four days ago, "Sweden, Example of How Not to Handle the Pandemic". Their deaths per million population is higher than ours. Have not achieved herd immunity.

Looks like it me:

 

[mchammer]

CNBC four days ago, "Sweden, Example of How Not to Handle the Pandemic". Their deaths per million population is higher than ours. Have not achieved herd immunity.

 

[SabreHorn]

First of all, if CNBC said it, that's all the credibility I need to believe the opposite. About as reliable as a crack ***** in Nuevo Laredo.

Perhaps I used the wrong terminology. Sweden was the worst hit because of the way they handled things, but seems they discovered that their peak was about 16-17%, but then it began to significantly decline.

 

[mchammer]

CNBC four days ago, "Sweden, Example of How Not to Handle the Pandemic". Their deaths per million population is higher than ours. Have not achieved herd immunity.

Sweden’s death rate is 560 per million. US is 440. Sweden’s death rate is nearly zero today. It’s too early to say they handled it worse.

 

[mchammer]

Want to blow your mind? Check out the virus curves of Panama, Chile and Texas:

 

[mchammer]

Note that Chile above instituted lock down in April. Made no difference. Also, they haven’t done anything different on the way up vs on the way down of the curve. So why do the cases drop if not herd immunity?

 

[mchammer]

CNBC four days ago, "Sweden, Example of How Not to Handle the Pandemic". Their deaths per million population is higher than ours. Have not achieved herd immunity.

I read a similar article on cbs. It said to expect a second wave in Sweden after the summer hiatus, which Sweden is currently benefiting from. Summer hiatus? What the f*ck is going on in TX, FL, AZ and CA then, not to mention Brazil and India. Summer weather doesn’t help at all (unfortunately). Summer hiatus, my ***.

 

[SabreHorn]

So much misinformation being spewed out by the media. Tonight, ABC13 in Houston is reporting that 15.5% of Texans tested are positive, yet the daily report of the Star-Telegram is only 11%.

Again, only 11% of the populous has been tested, not to mention how many to the previous tests were done by incompetent testers in politically controlled centers.

 

[mchammer]

So much misinformation being spewed out by the media. Tonight, ABC13 in Houston is reporting that 15.5% of Texans tested are positive, yet the daily report of the Star-Telegram is only 11%.

Again, only 11% of the populous has been tested, not to mention how many to the previous tests were done by incompetent testers in politically controlled centers.

Two different numbers:
- 11.5% of all Texans have taken the covid test to date
- 15.5% of Texans who took the covid test yesterday were positive.

 

[SabreHorn]

Thanks, but we still don't know how many of the numbers are real and how many are fluff.

 

[ViperHorn]

More requirements to wear masks all over and yet there are supposedly more cases?

HiC, 14 to 21 day lag from exposure to the actual illness so 04 July exposures are still in play.

The real issue in all of this is the tests are not as accurate as promoted and there is no revision to prior numbers for false positives and people who do not get sick. For example, my daughter-in-law came down with a respiratory illness in early March (which was diagnosed as not COVID); she recovered; then she was exposed at her work and had to take a COVID test at an employer designated testing center; two weeks after the test she got a call saying she tested positive; finally, when she was able to go back to her doctor he performed a test and it was negative. The final word was the earlier illness left a genic marker in her system which triggered the positive result. So her result was changed to false positive, but she still counts as a positive.

The lesson to be learned is the testing centers just test and report the results. So, if you test positive without any symptoms, go to your doctor to be retested with the results read by the doctor.

 

[moondog_LFZ]

Did I misunderstand or didn't all of Scandinavia achieve "herd immunity" at between 15-20%?

Nope.
Sweden's 'herd immunity' hopes are fading as only a small fraction of the population has coronavirus antibodies

There is no scientific proof of herd immunity with this virus.

 

[horninchicago]

@ViperHorn yes that's what I was getting at. The tests aren't reliable, they aren't counted properly, etc. Yet, we are somehow preventing the spread as a bunch of people with no symptoms walk around supposedly possibly carrying the virus. But, thy aren't sick. But they may be carrying it while they aren't sick. It's all ********.

 

[RainH2burntO]

Looks like it me:

As you know, MC....that's the thing about what is currently happening here in the states...and most of us predicted this would happen....
More tests are being given and more states opening, so of course the number of cases is spiking - so the disingenuous liberal media gave up focusing on death counts weeks ago and instead are now choosing to highlight daily cases because the death count isn't spiking and has, in fact, past inflection and even decreased per any relevant, respective measurement. Now trying to scare people by focusing on positive test numbers because there is little way to scare any reasonable, informed person they are doomed to die if they contract this. Go about your business, mask or no mask. And by all means...if you like football...and there is football - unless you are in poor health alteady - go enjoy a game.

 

[Statalyzer]

50% doesn't make sense to me. You'll still be close enough to everyone else that you aren't much more separated than you would be at 100%. My guess is you'd have to get down to 30% or so to see much difference.

 

[mchammer]

Nope.
Sweden's 'herd immunity' hopes are fading as only a small fraction of the population has coronavirus antibodies

There is no scientific proof of herd immunity with this virus.

The testing mentioned in the article does not pick up memory T cells that fight the virus. Further, everyone who gets the virus doesn’t necessarily produce the antibodies that the test is monitoring. Seen papers on this. One more week of the hysteria.

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

Going to the grocery store 3x per week is probably the same amount of risk as going to the game.

I work in a grocery store. We have 530 employees with about 29,000 customers a week for almost five months and only 8 positive test results with only one showing symptoms but fully recovered. All of them are confirmed to have contracted it at family and friend gatherings.

I'm calling this thing over blown hooey with lots of cases and deaths being reported as covid when it's not. It's a real thing, but I absolutely don't believe it's worth changing our lives forever. You all know that every two years some new virus comes up and from now on this will be the request of your wonderful gubment...shut down and don't interact with anyone.

 

[mchammer]

I work in a grocery store. We have 530 employees with about 29,000 customers a week for almost five months and only 8 positive test results with only one showing symptoms but fully recovered. All of them are confirmed to have contracted it at family and friend gatherings.

I'm calling this thing over blown hooey with lots of cases and deaths being reported as covid when it's not. It's a real thing, but I absolutely don't believe it's worth changing our lives forever. You all know that every two years some new virus comes up and from now on this will be the request of your wonderful gubment...shut down and don't interact with anyone.

Not only that, but when you get old and frail, they will take you away to die alone in a hospital.

 

[horninchicago]

I work in a grocery store. We have 530 employees with about 29,000 customers a week for almost five months and only 8 positive test results with only one showing symptoms but fully recovered. All of them are confirmed to have contracted it at family and friend gatherings.

I'm calling this thing over blown hooey with lots of cases and deaths being reported as covid when it's not. It's a real thing, but I absolutely don't believe it's worth changing our lives forever. You all know that every two years some new virus comes up and from now on this will be the request of your wonderful gubment...shut down and don't interact with anyone.

Exactly. People who are fearful can just stay the hell home. Who is forced to go to a Texas game or any other game? For chrissakes...