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I've said it before; if an employee is costing your company money for reasons unrelated to the business then the business has a right to take action.
I don't think anyone has disputed the NFL's right to stop the protests. The question is whether they should. That is a multi-faceted decision, and the league is struggling to make the best decision for itself.
Personally, I don't care what they do before or after the games, so long as it doesn't impact the product on the field. As soon as the protesting (or the response to the protesting) impacts the game itself, I'll worry.
I just wanted to be clear because we hear a lot of talk about freedom of speech. Yes there is; but as we know that is only supposed to protect you from being jailed over it. So to me the argument is this: does the NFL wish to donate money to the cause in the form of lost revenue and fans. What they can't get their arms around is this: Is the lost revenue temporary with the chance to win these fans back and how many are permanently gone? How easily are they replaced and will the permanent fan loss continue to grow if the league agrees to the protests.
I personally think the cat is out of the bag and even raising a fist or kneeling before or after the anthem will send a negative message to a percentage of the fan base who will just see the change as a disingenuous compromise driven by money. In other words, we're still protesting and we're still getting paid.
I think the league has already shown their cards. They are more concerned about disharmony with the players than the fans taking issue with the protest. NFL owners care only about $$$ and they've apparently made their own calculation that forcing the players to stand for the anthem would cost more than weathering the fan defection.
How do you explain Jerry Jones line in the sand? Was it public BS to take the heat off the players like he allegedly told them behind closed doors? And do you expect a Cowboy to eventually kneel or raise a fist during the anthem?
The owners had a meeting Oct 17. Apparently there was a presentation showing how "fan outrage" is "eroding many of the league's key business metrics." If the owners were not already aware, they were made aware at that meeting that the flag/anthem "protests" are driving fans away. By the millions. Word is Jerry Jones expressed shock at the meeting that his local ratings were off nearly 20% for the Cowboys.
Increasingly, that part of the public who watches football regularly has begun to see pro ball as just a "thug" league full of "BLM racists." There is alot of anger on both sides. The owners were split on whose anger they should care more about. Not surprisingly, they misjudged the situation. The question now on the table is whether the owners and players have permanently broken the bond between pro football and its fans.
The NFL used to be alot about tradition and unity. It has long been deeply embedded in holiday tradition -- just take a moment and think back on watching games Thanksgiving and Christmas. Watching sports together like that is one of the greatest American bonding experiences that has ever existed. There was patriotism too, see the giant flags, the sharp dressed military, military flyovers and, of course, those surprise family reunions on the field with long away service folk. The league was as good at celebrating American traditions as anything on television. Until right now, NFL games have never been about attacking and criticizing American tradition.
I think owners had been looking at this as a crisis they could solve. But it appears to be more than that now. What seems to be happening is a fundamental breach of trust between fans and league. In this respect, its like what an affair can do to a marriage. Can trust ever be fully restored? If so, it is not easy. From my perspective, the owners blew it. Even more than the players. And I am not sure if there is anything they can do at this point to get it back.
How do you explain Jerry Jones line in the sand? Was it public BS to take the heat off the players like he allegedly told them behind closed doors? And do you expect a Cowboy to eventually kneel or raise a fist during the anthem?
NFL Thursday Night Football ratings this week hit a season low
Last night’s Week 8 match-up (which had no World Series conflict) ... fell 15% from the early numbers of last week’s previous season low matching TNF.
http://deadline.com/2017/10/ravens-...ight-football-ratings-low-cbs-nfl-1202195977/
It was a 40-0 blowout, but I'm sure that had nothing to do with it.
Which leads me to my next question; how do they track viewership these days?
Good take. In my view, the owners have always had an acrimonious relationship with the NFLPA and by extension the players......
So what's the difference now?
The owners can't change the behavior of the police. And on top of that they hire the police to help keep order don't they? So what are they supposed to do; ....
Seems like a different point of view between you and Seattle; you say taking the side of the players is costing more money and Seattle said taking the side of the players was costing them less than if they took the side of the fans. Or did I misread that?
It was a 40-0 blowout, but I'm sure that had nothing to do with it.
Other theories and considerations about the falling ratings:....
Second, Goodell hired a senior person from the failed Clinton Campaign. This person had his ear on how to manage the kneeling issue. This person created a false reality for Goodell and the owners on this issue. And they bought it. It was a huge mistake. And now they are suffering for it.
I dont know. I dont see his posts as I had to block him. He kept trying to have me censored/removed from the board.
You guys make excuses for each ratings decline
That made me laugh. Liberals tend to try to silence people that don't think like them. They are so predictable.
Like of a lot of what he says...it ain't true and he knows it. Must be the "snowflake" syndrome he mentions often.
What is funny is the attempt to try to tie everything wrong with the NFL to this singular issue. Why? Because the dog whistle that is our POTUS. I'd argue that Concussions/CTE and the "thug" stories (i.e. Ray Rice) have had as much if not more impact on NFL support as the articles link above point to. Of course, those don't have an easy political angle to grab onto nor support an agenda so like anything that falls into this category are discarded, this time without much attempt to even discredit them. Par for the course though for the alt-right crowd.
I dont see his posts as I had to block him.
The Cowboys are what the Yankees once were:
Jones was furious that local TV ratings in Dallas were down, especially a 19 percent drop for this year's game against Green Bay, compared with last year's.
Why would you have to block him? People choose to block people, but I've never heard of anyone having to block someone as though they had no choice in the matter. Seems weird.
...The Cowboys are what the Yankees once were....
This is a ridiculous quote,
Yeah, I watched that game and wanted those 4 hours of my life back afterwards. I was in Texas at the time, and it was the first Cowboys game I'd watched in six years. Their second half performance was less inspiring than Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign, and they pissed the game away like she pissed the Presidency away. Maybe that had something to do with the ratings.
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Sat, Nov 30 • 6:30 PM on ABC