Boyer' open letter to Kaepernick

[Seattle Husker]

LOL

Well, I have my style and he has his. I think he shouldn't be surprised that his tact (or is it tack?) would only bow up the players backs. I suppose his response is in keeping with his kick the door down rhetoric that got him elected in the first place. But I'd tell him that he has the job now and why not try to stick to what he believes while expressing empathy for them and a calm explanation that maybe his idea of patriotism is not "... point a cannon at you." [line from CCR song Fortunate Son]

His supporters love him for his "...point a cannon at you" approach to the office though.

South Park's creators were ahead of their time when writing this. Trump would only need to change a few lines (e.g. Democrats, sushi)

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

The only conservative among the group was a garbage truck driver.

Sounds like a good man.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Sounds like a good man.

He was and still a good friend albeit a bit misguided.

 

[UTChE96]

Aren't you essentially advocating that the NFL should have enforced your political views?

I am advocating that the NFL should have made a good business decision by not offending large segments of their customer base. I would have thought the same if it was a guy wearing a "Blue Lives Matter" hat during the anthem as a form of counter-protest.

The headphones rule is due to a licensing arrangement. Unless the NFL is trying to license their political views I'm not sure that's applicable.

Why is it not applicable? The NFL has chosen to restrict their player's freedom of expression because there was a good business reason (lucrative licensing deal) to do so. For some bizarre reason, the NFL did not think there was a good enough business reason to restrict these inflammatory protests. I think they have finally realized that they made a huge mistake. I will be surprised if these protests are still allowed in another season or two. The bleeding will be too much.

 

[mb227]

The issue I see it is that the NFL wants the players to have more personality because that's what fans enjoy. Of course, it can't be on the field so the only other option is off of it. They encourage players to be involved in the community. It so happens that Black Lives Matter occurred. If you're a player from the projects that grew up fearful of police do you think that might have an appeal? Tough for the NFL to say be involved in your community but only the non-politically sensitive topics. This board is a testament to the fact that those are far and few between in our polarized society.

It's entirely possible the NFL miscalculated when they picked the side of player freedom, although I'm not sure they could win either way.

When they are on the property owned by the team, they are being paid to do a job. What they do in the community, in terms of a protest, is not what people are upset by. What people ARE upset with is their polititarding on the sidelines.

It is no different than most normal people, no matter their political affiliation or belief, being expected to do their JOB when at the workplace. If you are trying to protest at the workplace, I EXPECT the employer to sanction the employee up to and including firing their sorry asses...and if this means jettisoning some perceived 'star' athlete, then so be it.

 

[ProdigalHorn]

Do you have any data on this? I don't think the issue has been studied rigorously, but the only study I've seen suggests that NFL fandom skews slightly Democratic:

Was really surprised how democrat-heavy the league was until I looked at the cities, and it became pretty obvious. I'm curious how they did the survey, whether they focused within the team's home city or they surveyed fans around the country.

 

[Horn6721]

mb227
You asked a good question on methodology of the Survey Monkey poll.
here is the criteria FiveThirtyEight , Who commissioned survey monkey , had used.
"
To quantify the political affiliations of each team’s fan base, we commissioned a SurveyMonkey Audience poll of 2,290 American NFL fans in early September

Specifically, the poll was conducted among a national sample of adults ages 18 and older from Sept. 1 to Sept. 7. Only responses from self-described NFL fans (including those who labeled themselves “casual” fans) were included in the analysis.

It asked them to list their three favorite teams, as well as the political party with which they identify. Sample sizes ranged from 526 respondents who put the Green Bay Packers in their top three to 41 for the Jacksonville Jaguars; the average margin of error +/-7% according to the traditional formula, even though this poll technically uses non-probability sampling.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Was really surprised how democrat-heavy the league was until I looked at the cities, and it became pretty obvious. I'm curious how they did the survey, whether they focused within the team's home city or they surveyed fans around the country.

That's the key...the cities these teams reside in. These are the fans that are subsidizing the stadiums and live among the players/staff. Not sure how the survey was conducted but the vast majority of NFL team reside in liberal leaning cities. Another point, it's the corporate suites/suits that are the most profitable fans. Think those are city or country dwellers.

 

[ProdigalHorn]

Specifically, the poll was conducted among a national sample of adults ages 18 and older from Sept. 1 to Sept. 7. Only responses from self-described NFL fans (including those who labeled themselves “casual” fans) were included in the analysis.

At some point it would be useful to do a correlation study between political affiliation and the willingness to participate in random internet surveys.

 

[Horn6721]

It does not explain if the 2290 fans lived in the NFL cities.
It only says it sampled people who self described as NFL fans and to name their 3 fave teams plus the political party identification.
That seem like a pretty loose poll.

 

[Run Pincher]

At some point it would be useful to do a correlation study between political affiliation and the willingness to participate in random internet surveys.

Liberals have nothing else to do but attend rallys, promote hatred and complete surveys so I wonder what that correlation coefficient would be?

 

[Clean]

Kareem Abdu-Jabbar compares forcing blacks to stand for National Anthem to slave owners forcing slaves to sing while they picked cotton! You can't make this stuff up.

To the slave owners, singing slaves would drown out their own cruelty and oppression, clothe them in a coerced choir of decency. But it wasn't enough that the slaves had to sing, they had to sing their oppressor's feel-good songs," Abdul-Jabbar wrote.

"Currently, the song being demanded is the national anthem during football games."

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar compares forcing athletes to stand for anthem to songs of slavery

 

[Clean]

I didn't know that the Denver Broncos had offered Kaepernick a $7million/season contract before the start of the 2016 season. He turned them down.

When asked why the Broncos didn't sign Kaepernick as a backup for this season, Elway replied that he had his chance and turned it down. Good for you John.

 

[Joe Fan]

Kareem Abdu-Jabbor compares forcing blacks to stand for National Anthem to slave owners forcing slaves to sing while they picked cotton! You can't make this stuff up.

Amusingly enough, it was Pam Grier (total hotness back in the day) who refused to marry Kareem because she was "unwilling to live a subservient life where everything but her hands would be covered when seen in public" as he required for his newfound religion.

Is there a liberal alive who is not a hypocrite? Has there ever been?

 

[Clean]

Is there a liberal alive who is not a hypocrite? Has there ever been?

Certainly not in Jabbar's case. He had a son with a Buddhist. They weren't married. He could "date" non-muslims, but not marry them.

He's written several whacky things in the Hollywood Reporter.

 

[Run Pincher]

Kareem Abdu-Jabbar compares forcing blacks to stand for National Anthem to slave owners forcing slaves to sing while they picked cotton! You can't make this stuff up.



Kareem Abdul-Jabbar compares forcing athletes to stand for anthem to songs of slavery

So what is forcing whites to stand comparable too? Are they slaves also or something else?

 

[bystander]

I don't understand the need to compare slavery or the perpetrators of the holocaust to anything that is happening today. To me, it is a clear sign of complete emotional impairment. Yet these people seem to be held up as rational people exhibiting rational levels of outrage (rational outrage: the predictable outcome of any sane mind confronted by true horror).

 

[Mr. Deez]

Ugh. Are we going to go through this **** every fall? Dumbass player(s) takes his politics onto his jobsite and dumbass President has to grandstand about it. Beating.

 

[Garmel]

Ugh. Are we going to go through this **** every fall? Dumbass player(s) takes his politics onto his jobsite and dumbass President has to grandstand about it. Beating.

I don't see calling a bunch of dumbasses "dumbasses" to be a bad thing.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I don't see calling a bunch of dumbasses "dumbasses" to be a bad thing.

Going into a midterm year election, it's a dumbass thing to do.

 

[Garmel]

Going into a midterm year election, it's a dumbass thing to do.

You think it will turn off the moderates?

 

[Mr. Deez]

You think it will turn off the moderates?

In some swing districts, yes, and it unifies and motivates liberals.

 

[ShAArk92]

If you question whether NFL fans skew liberal or conservative look at the political demographics of the cities they reside.

that presumes the fanbase is also primarily in the cities whose names they carry ... guess what ... they don't.

 

[Joe Fan]

The new ESPN president claims he wants less politics at the network:

‘It is not our jobs’​

Too late buddy.

And, in any event, he still gets it wrong. Banning the anthem is not the solution

Pitaro also has told the league that ESPN does not plan to air the national anthem ahead of its Monday night telecasts. .... “They have not asked,” Pitaro said. “But we have proactively just as a courtesy and as good partners let them know what our plans are.”​

ESPN president wants less politics at network: ‘It is not our jobs’

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

If any of you were looking for a chance to get in, apparently there are some NFL teams for sale.
The idea is that some owners think the NFL has peaked

 

[Mr. Deez]

Amusingly enough, it was Pam Grier (total hotness back in the day) who refused to marry Kareem because she was "unwilling to live a subservient life where everything but her hands would be covered when seen in public" as he required for his newfound religion.

Is there a liberal alive who is not a hypocrite? Has there ever been?

By the way, Pam Grier was much hotter than Farrah Fawcett. By the way, @Phil Elliott , if you disagree with me, you're either racist, gay, or both. Lol

 

[Joe Fan]

By the way, Pam Grier was much hotter than Farrah Fawcett. By the way, @Phil Elliott , if you disagree with me, you're either racist, gay, or both. Lol

We get it, we are all very sorry you could not get into the real UT and had to go to fake-UT. But continually taking your hurt pride out on Farrah, who could and did get into the real UT, is a bad look.

 

[Mr. Deez]

We get it, we are all very sorry you could not get into the real UT and had to go to fake-UT.

I did get into "real UT." I didn't go, but I did get in.

And Pam Grier was still hotter than Farrah Fawcett.

 

[Phil Elliott]

And Pam Grier was still hotter than Farrah Fawcett.

Not. Even.