Black Lives Matter; The Cerebral Warlords of Our Time

mb227 said:
've had clients who ultimately realized that they either needed to make a change or they would be dead, but it wasn't a change that came through any manner of treatment. THEY had to make the decision.
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I'm headed out of the country today, so I won't be able to debate this. But this is exactly correct. An addict won't change until THEY choose to change. And if/when that happens, it's because they have hit rock bottom and see that they have nowhere else to go but up and out. When my son decided he needed rehab, it was because he knew that he was either going to end up in prison or dead if he kept going the way he was going.

And even then, recidivism is extremely high without the right support. My wife and I are working to get a sober living home in our hometown. In sober living, recovering addicts are supported, held accountable and removed from bad environments. That along with counseling, AA/NA meetings and work greatly reduce the recidivism rate.
 
Police accountability is a good thing. They are more likely to get away with misconduct than be punished for something they didn't do. I support the idea or theory. However, I am not sure if the bills are any good. The "independent" oversight is probably appointed by and composed of radical leftists. So not worth it. But it would be good to have community votes or random appointments to a board like that to hear cases.
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Yep, we get an independent group with the problem you describes. Or we get an oversight group that will likely just say we investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong. Probably going to vote no on both.
 
Horn6721 said:
Mr D
What are some thing we can do to incentivize and therefore motivate treatment?
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mb227 said:
I don't care if incarceration does anything to stop abuse. If they don't want treatment as a condition of probation, then incarceration is the only other viable option to at least temporarily prevent THAT individual from preying upon society through the commission of other crimes that help feed the habit.

Incentivization just means the druggies adapt to making 'promises' in order to get some manner of free crap. If they are not motivated for change, then it is a waste of time. Sometimes, a horse just doesn't want to drink, no matter HOW many times you led it to the trough.

I've had clients who ultimately realized that they either needed to make a change or they would be dead, but it wasn't a change that came through any manner of treatment. THEY had to make the decision. One moved completely out of State and realized also that they could NEVER return to the Dallas area because of negative influences there...she ultimately traded the meth addiction for a physical fitness addiction. There is still an addiction mindset, but at least physical fitness is healthy.
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A few things. First, I'm not saying there's no place for incarceration. There is, but I'd deemphasize that and definitely wouldn't start with that. I'd encourage treatment by offering other benefits - not free money but things like job training, help finding housing, etc. However, any help would be tied to mandatory drug testing and work requirements. Is there a point at which I'd incarcerate? Yes, but I'd try rehab first, and even the incarceration would involve mandatory rehab in the slammer.

Second, call me crazy, but I do think a government initiative's effectiveness matters. The drug war costs money, and we shouldn't just piss money away on something that doesn't work.

Third, let's not pretend that the drug war has no downsides. It certainly does. It enables and empowers a massive criminal enterprise that causes massive amounts of violent crime in the United States and other countries, makes some of the worst human beings on the planet some of the richest people in the world, and greatly aggravates the illegal immigration and human smuggling problem in the United States. Most of all, it has cost Americans their civil liberties. We've trashed the Fourth Amendment in ways that would horrify the Founding Fathers mostly in the name of the drug war. Not worth it.
 
MrD
The city of Dallas offers all that including medical intervention, drug rehab housing food job training over and over and over. And there is drug testing when you enter into their help But can't force them to get help.
Was actually speaking to 2 different officials with Dallas last week. The level of frustration is very high.
I am dead sure All cities offer the same complete services the same number of times and get refused over and over etc
So when they refuse help as they do
then what?
 
Horn6721 said:
MrD
The city of Dallas offers all that including medical intervention, drug rehab housing food job training over and over and over. And there is drug testing when you enter into their help But can't force them to get help.
Was actually speaking to 2 different officials with Dallas last week. The level of frustration is very high.
I am dead sure All cities offer the same complete services the same number of times and get refused over and over etc
So when they refuse help as they do
then what?
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If they refuse help, then they're on their own. If they commit a crime, you throw them in the slammer, where rehab will be mandatory.
 
Make them work at a pit bull rescue center. Taking care of animals can have a very positive impact on criminals of all types.

Drugs are very addictive and some will relapse, but this seems to be one of the better things going. I'm not for locking up drug users for long periods of time, will just make them more violent. The dealers yes, but not simple users. We have plenty of alcoholics that never spend a day in jail.
 
Mr. Deez said:
And if you're black, rethinking your beliefs from left to right takes balls too big to fit through most doors.
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South Park to the rescue...
 

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mchammer said:
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There was at one time an actual bias and wage gap. Women getting paid less for the same job. That is almost non-existent now. Now the gap is almost entirely attributable to women choosing lower paying fields versus men. think female>> Nurse vs. Male>> Doctor. Female>>Flight attendant vs. Male>>Pilot. They rarely show the stats based on actual individual positions. It is almost always the aggregate of all jobs. ^^^^ This is why. It doesn't help their argument to deal in facts. the "racial" gap is also attributable to college degrees and the associated job types.
 
That is almost non-existent now. Now the gap is almost entirely attributable to women choosing lower paying fields versus men.
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And putting less in when they are at the same job (e.g. men are more likely to be willing to do the travelling, stay late, pick up overtime, finish up projects on weekends, etc). Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it does explain some of the "gap".
 
Mona,

Some of us have it. It's called private constable patrol. We had two incidents at our house several years ago:

1) Three drunk n'er do wells showed up in the front yard of our elderly neighbors house at 130 AM. I called 911 five times as they tried to break in a bedroom window. I took my Glock 17 & Smith 357 with hollow points out in the front yard, yelled, and fired one shot into the grass. They fled and came back two hours later. FWIW, I'm still waiting on HPD to arrive.

2) After the neighborhood signed with Constable for private patrol, my wife at that time was home alone about noon, and the doorbell rang. There was a deputy, gun drawn, asked her if she was ok and if anyone else was in the house. He then instructed her to please move to the other side of his car. That's when she noticed another constable in the driveway with gun drawn and a fairly vicious looking German Shepherd. The two deputies searched the house, including attic and garage. Once they pronounced it safe, she was allowed to re-enter.

According to ADT our alarm alerted them that she was home alone and someone had broken into the home. Time elapsed from alarm to arrival of the two deputies? NINETY-THEE SECONDS!
 
Clean said:
Like your Sam Kinison avatar, Deez. He was a favorite of mine. Too bad he died young.
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Mine too. I saw him in Back to School and remember when he did his version of "Wild Thing," but I was too young to listen to his stand-up shows. In about 2000, my older brother told me he was the best comedian of the '80s, so I downloaded a few of his shows. Probably the funniest stand-up comedy I've ever heard.

Obviously he couldn't get away with that act now. The woke would crucify him.
 
Monahorns said:
I'm actually glad about it. The term has been meaningless for a long time and used by the Left to ruin conservatives. RIP.
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I can understand that, but I always lament the destruction of language. It makes it harder for people to communicate with each other even when they're doing it in good faith. If everybody to the right of Louis Farrakhan is a white supremacist, what do we call someone like Richard Spencer who actually is a white supremacist? Our language doesn't have a term for them anymore.

I have the same concern when I hear liberals say Florida is "banning books." If you can legally buy a book, it's not being banned, but they still throw that term around falsely to give their cause unearned and dishonest merit. So now the term is meaningless. That's fine, but what term will we use to describe someone who actually is banning books? Our language doesn't have one anymore.
 
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