Black Lives Matter; The Cerebral Warlords of Our Time

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BrntOrngStmpeDe said:
Since most of the "mass shootings" tend to be black-wannabe-gangster shoots another black-wannabe-gangster I'll start posting "gun violence" on the BLM page.

Dadeville mass shooting: What we know today after 4 killed, 28 injured at Alabama birthday party (msn.com)

After they raise the "illegal possession of a firearm" penalties and start executing on criminal prosecution, then we will see "mass shootings" go back down.
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2 arrested in Dadeville shooting. I imagine no names due too them being minors. No mention of motive. Probably wanna be gangsters. I wonder which would have a greater impact in violent crime: A) Making firearms illegal or B) We all work together(especially black leaders) to change and eliminate the gangsta culture.
2 teens arrested in Alabama Sweet 16 shooting that killed 4 and injured 32 (nbcnews.com)
 
Run Pincher said:
2 arrested in Dadeville shooting. I imagine no names due too them being minors. No mention of motive. Probably wanna be gangsters. I wonder which would have a greater impact in violent crime: A) Making firearms illegal or B) We all work together(especially black leaders) to change and eliminate the gangsta culture.
2 teens arrested in Alabama Sweet 16 shooting that killed 4 and injured 32 (nbcnews.com)
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Article you linked now has names of the two yutes and there is also mention of someone having been barred from entrance due to having a firearm...

No photos, but the names seem to identify the demographic.
 
Run Pincher said:
Good update. All 3 look like thugs. Obviously the prosecutor can't talk to motive, but not seeing anything anywhere. So let's just go out and kill some people tonight??
Alabama mass shooting: Police search for motive in Dadeville Sweet 16 attack after 3rd suspect arrested (msn.com)
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Motive was alluded to in one of the earlier articles when a witness said certain people were denied entrance due to carrying firearms.

Putting two and two together, these Phi Beta PuttaCappaInYoAssa candidates felt dissed at being turned away and opened fire as retaliation...
 
Fun propositions for the residents of Austin this week inspired by you can guess what.

Prop A
Shall the voters of Austin adopt an initiated ordinance, circulated by Equity Action, that will deter police misconduct and brutality by strengthening the City’s system of independent and transparent civilian police oversight?

Prop B
Shall the voters of Austin adopt an initiated ordinance, circulated by Voters for Oversight and Police Accountability, that will strengthen the City’s system of independent and transparent civilian police oversight?
 
guy4321 said:
Fun propositions for the residents of Austin this week inspired by you can guess what.

Prop A
Shall the voters of Austin adopt an initiated ordinance, circulated by Equity Action, that will deter police misconduct and brutality by strengthening the City’s system of independent and transparent civilian police oversight?

Prop B
Shall the voters of Austin adopt an initiated ordinance, circulated by Voters for Oversight and Police Accountability, that will strengthen the City’s system of independent and transparent civilian police oversight?
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When in doubt, vote No on all local initiatives and bonds. And if you are considering voting for one or more of them, study them more carefully and reconsider. They're probably bad even if they superficially look good.
 
The background is an anti-police org got enough signatures for prop A. A pro-cop org saw that happening so they got enough signatures for prop B. It's Austin so I doubt B passes. No one knows what happens if both pass. Well, we know the courts will decide.
 
Police accountability is a good thing. They are more likely to get away with misconduct than be punished for something they didn't do. I support the idea or theory. However, I am not sure if the bills are any good. The "independent" oversight is probably appointed by and composed of radical leftists. So not worth it. But it would be good to have community votes or random appointments to a board like that to hear cases.
 
guy4321 said:
The background is an anti-police org got enough signatures for prop A. A pro-cop org saw that happening so they got enough signatures for prop B. It's Austin so I doubt B passes. No one knows what happens if both pass. Well, we know the courts will decide.
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On the bright side, enough turned out to force the end of the sidewalk camping permission that Adler, et al, allowed to fester...
 
Monahorns said:
Police accountability is a good thing. They are more likely to get away with misconduct than be punished for something they didn't do. I support the idea or theory. However, I am not sure if the bills are any good. The "independent" oversight is probably appointed by and composed of radical leftists. So not worth it. But it would be good to have community votes or random appointments to a board like that to hear cases.
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And this is what's sad. There's a real case to be made for better police accountability and criminal justice reform in general. I have no problem with ending qualified immunity, focusing attention away from incarceration for drug users and toward treatment, and improving indigent defense.

Unfortunately, "accountability" has become a euphemism for left wing crackpots pushing lawlessness and the racial politicization of justice. Accountability and reform don't mean refusing to prosecute shoplifters, going easy on true violent offenders, or pushing the laundry list of lunacy that BLM and other social justice idiots advocate.
 
Treatment only works if the drug user is motivated to change. Most are not, which is something we saw after State Jails were created.

The goal eas treatment and probation, but the druggie population was more like 'f*ck probation and treatment, just give me my 180 days.'
 
mb227 said:
Treatment only works if the drug user is motivated to change. Most are not, which is something we saw after State Jails were created.

The goal eas treatment and probation, but the druggie population was more like 'f*ck probation and treatment, just give me my 180 days.'
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Two points on this. First, I think we need to ask how effective incarceration has been in stopping drug abuse. I don't see much evidence that it has been. Second, there are things we can do to incentivize and therefore motivate treatment.
 
Mr. Deez said:
Two points on this. First, I think we need to ask how effective incarceration has been in stopping drug abuse. I don't see much evidence that it has been. Second, there are things we can do to incentivize and therefore motivate treatment.
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One way even though it is cruel is to do less for the homeless. Give them those who are motivated opportunities to work and get off the street. But those who are drug addicted and resisting help shouldn't be kept alive on the backs of others working paycheck to paycheck.
 
Mr. Deez said:
Two points on this. First, I think we need to ask how effective incarceration has been in stopping drug abuse. I don't see much evidence that it has been. Second, there are things we can do to incentivize and therefore motivate treatment.
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I don't care if incarceration does anything to stop abuse. If they don't want treatment as a condition of probation, then incarceration is the only other viable option to at least temporarily prevent THAT individual from preying upon society through the commission of other crimes that help feed the habit.

Incentivization just means the druggies adapt to making 'promises' in order to get some manner of free crap. If they are not motivated for change, then it is a waste of time. Sometimes, a horse just doesn't want to drink, no matter HOW many times you led it to the trough.

I've had clients who ultimately realized that they either needed to make a change or they would be dead, but it wasn't a change that came through any manner of treatment. THEY had to make the decision. One moved completely out of State and realized also that they could NEVER return to the Dallas area because of negative influences there...she ultimately traded the meth addiction for a physical fitness addiction. There is still an addiction mindset, but at least physical fitness is healthy.
 
Monahorns said:
One way even though it is cruel is to do less for the homeless. Give them those who are motivated opportunities to work and get off the street. But those who are drug addicted and resisting help shouldn't be kept alive on the backs of others working paycheck to paycheck.
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^^^THIS

Most shelters ask two simple things of the homeless...be willing to look for work (if physically capable) and don't do drugs. Some won't even do the first but many more refuse to comply with the second.

I've got no qualms with bouncing both categories from any government-funded shelter. If a privately funded group wants to keep them, that is THEIR decision, but doesn't involve public monies...
 
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