Band and Cheer Stuff

zuckercanyon said:
Hartzell said this, meant that, coach speak, blah blah blah. Come September, I'd lay odds that no one on the team or in the band has to change anything they're doing and will still be full members of the football team/band. Although the donors pulling money seemed to have to do with the Eyes of Texas, I call bs. It was because Herman didn't keep the team rolling after "We're Back" and didn't meet expectations on the field. It's ludicrous to think that the cigars will pull their money mid-season if the song isn't honored. Starting to believe nobody really believes in it otherwise there'd be obvious change. Ready for September when no one stays on the field or plays "the song" and we hear about "oh, yeah, the money guys really put their foot down". If I'm wrong, then tell me what they're going to do that won't be obvious.
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You are not making any sense. Why go through the effort to do the research by the commission on the EOT if there is no point on keeping it?
 
mchammer said:
You are not making any sense. Why go through the effort to do the research by the commission on the EOT if there is no point on keeping it?
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Lip service/coach speak to BMD's/Sabre/cigars. "Here look we're trying to tell these idiots they're wrong but in the nicest way possible. We're not going to make anybody do anything, though....." That's what I'm saying and it makes complete sense. They appeased the players/band last year, now it's smoke/mirrors for the guys writing the checks. I. Hope. I. Am. Wrong.
 
The feckless Hartzell “hopes” the students will stay for the EOT.

My first boss had a saying when anyone used the word hope. It involved hoping in one hand.

We have a clown show being run by feckless administrators. Actually appointing a committee to investigate our school song, not having the ability to put down a mutiny and unable to tell 18-22 year olds on scholarship what time of day it is makes the administrators incompetent.
Now, the alumni/ donors are the problem for not respecting the voices of 18-22 year old history dilettantes.
 
Chop said:
If the band for some reason refuses to play our school song, disband them (pun fully intended) and strip them of their scholarships.
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Even if they don't, disband them. I am tired of their drama. Hard for me to understand why this group who takes good seats away from real football fans thinks of themselves as being important in this universe.
 
horninchicago said:
Oh, I get some strange looks up around these parts during games when the "Texas-Texas Yee-Haw!!" drum cadence is playing, and, of course, I belt it out good and loud.
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Serious question, but does anyone know why we don't do this cheer anymore? I don't think it's related, but haven't heard it during games since Mack left.
 
They don't do it much but they still did during the games in 19.
IIRC this cheer started during a road trip to east coast, Rutgers? several years ago.
Since the effete Nyers and Njers were smack talking the Horns were hick cowboys the Band and cheerleaders decided to come up with a cheer that was very cowboyish. Gotta admit Texas Texas Yee Haw fits the bill.
The rest as they say.
 
IvanDiabloHorn said:
The feckless Hartzell “hopes” the students will stay for the EOT.

My first boss had a saying when anyone used the word hope. It involved hoping in one hand.

We have a clown show being run by feckless administrators. Actually appointing a committee to investigate our school song, not having the ability to put down a mutiny and unable to tell 18-22 year olds on scholarship what time of day it is makes the administrators incompetent.
Now, the alumni/ donors are the problem for not respecting the voices of 18-22 year old history dilettantes.
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Here is what i think Hartzell is hoping. I think he is hoping that average joe woke student will join the players and band next year in a show of solidarity. If that happens, he will then come out with a new narrative along the lines of "the students have spoken". They will try to reframe this as old guard vs. new young students, rather than Athletes vs. the EOT. The alumni will be portrayed as old and out of touch and they will try to make the song quietly go away by playing it less and less frequently. The athletes will be present, but will not participate. Hartzell mishandled this thing from the very beginning. I could get on board with the statue for Whittier(??) but the renaming of the field for Earl and Ricky was dumb. Most of the other concessions were dumb as well. And certainly responding to "demands" placed by athletes with an almost immediate laundry list of concessions was dumb.

Hartzell needs to be looking for another job.
 
The worst part about it all was that the UT Administrators bent over backwards for a group of malcontents, who were fed lies by extremists, in order to appease them into playing.

Who then stunk out most of the season, save for a nice OSU win, and a Alamo bowl win, after most of the worst players had already left.

The problem with appeasing turds like those players is that most of them end up self-flushing. They're soft, and melt away with time, leaving no trace except for a soil stain on the bowl, and even that's removed with another flush. So much better just to stick to your traditions and values, and let the malcontents infect some other group with their cancer.
 
If the school were to do as some of you suggest and prompt a revolt by the serfs they will have an exodus of a good number of players and be branded as racists and we will have a 6-6 season or worse. I’ve seen a ream just quit making an effort when I was in high school and it is ugly. Real ugly. We get a reputation for bigoted alums and recruiting is in the toilet.
Hartzell is trying to defuse a disaster and it remains to be seen whether it works

pray the players and band grow up but keep in mind they are kids. When I was there we tried to overthrow the government and helped elect Nixon instead. There is no guarantee these kids will have any more sense than we did.
Hartzell’s diplomacy is the best chance we have to avert a disaster.
If the band doesn’t play and the players just walk off or don’t raise their horns they will get booed by the fans.
There will be the lead news on ESPN for sure. We don’t want that or I dont anyway
 
That's the same bend over backwards foolishness that Texas did last year - must bow to the malcontents, must do whatever they want or we'll have a bad season.

Well the season was terrible anyway. Turds are always going to find something to whine about. Better they are flushed and the rest of the team move on.

Besides, didn't the school have some big 58 person group or such research a silly school song for months, and come out with the conclusion that the Eyes was not racialist? Since that's now proven, seems like anyone who disagrees with that is not a believer in truth, and thus does not hold the values of the University of Texas.

As such, they should be told they are no longer welcome here, but there are plenty of Community Colleges in Texas that will honor most of their credits.
 
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SabreHorn said:
The "mansion" at Clear Lake was a weekend place. West's home was on River Oaks Blvd, later the home of Bob & Liz Lanier.

Also a huge portion of what became NASA and Clear Lake was owned by Friendswood Development (Exxon). Unfortunately for the residents of Clear Lake, Exxon would never guarantee the water bonds, which meant the City of Houston HAD to annex that area since the water district was broke and had been for ten plus years. (see also Kingwood)

As far as William Marsh Rice's will and integrating of Rice, NASA was coming to Harris County as long as Mr Sam was drawing a breath. (Yes, the same Mr Sam who shoved the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 & 1960) As opposed to "surface reading", try looking at the contracts let for the building of those facilities, then tell me that William Marsh Rice, his will, or Baker Botts had anything to do with that.

I trust you will be fascinated enough by your findings, that they leave you smart enough to never openly discuss them.
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Damn Sabre- you never fail to amaze me. You have forgotten more knowledge than I will never know. Might not always agree with your takes but the stories and history you share are amazing. Stay the hell away from wherever Joe Fan went. We need you on this board.
 
LHABSOB,

You and HIC are much too kind, and particularly since you are two of the few on this board that have actually met me.

I love history, but also have always enjoyed getting to the real story, however pleasant it may or may not be.

Can come back to haunt you though. Last year, while I was on my walker from surgery, I "rolled" into church in some pain. The attractive, well preserved lady, grabbed my arm and told me to sit with her. We had a few meals together and enjoyed each others' company. Unfortunately, I found out that she was the former girlfriend/pseudo widow of a guy I refused to do business with, but he really didn't like me after he found out I had been having sex with his son's fiance'. Couple that witht he fact he owed my children's grandfather seven figures when he died, our conversations had to be "guarded".

About two months ago, I was driving through a parking lot when an very attractive dropped her groceries in drive. I stopped, blocked traffic, helped her gather her stuff, and move it to her car. She thanked me and asked if she could have my phone number. Said she would like to cook me dinner. After a few meals and getting to know each other she confessed that she had been the mistress of a very well known Houston businessman. everyone knew he had one, but few knew whom. I never liked the guy to begin with, but couldn't give her an accurate response when she asked if I went to his funeral.

Probably didn't learn a lesson, but sometimes memory may be best forgotten.
 
Duck Dodgers said:
That's the same bend over backwards foolishness that Texas did last year - must bow to the malcontents, must do whatever they want or we'll have a bad season.

Well the season was terrible anyway. Turds are always going to find something to whine about. Better they are flushed and the rest of the team move on.

Besides, didn't the school have some big 58 person group or such research a silly school song for months, and come out with the conclusion that the Eyes was not racialist? Since that's now proven, seems like anyone who disagrees with that is not a believer in truth, and thus does not hold the values of the University of Texas.

As such, they should be told they are no longer welcome here, but there are plenty of Community Colleges in Texas that will honor most of their credits.
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You can read it here:

Eyes of Texas | Eyes of Texas
 
BrntOrngStmpeDe said:
Here is what i think Hartzell is hoping. I think he is hoping that average joe woke student will join the players and band next year in a show of solidarity. If that happens, he will then come out with a new narrative along the lines of "the students have spoken". They will try to reframe this as old guard vs. new young students, rather than Athletes vs. the EOT. The alumni will be portrayed as old and out of touch and they will try to make the song quietly go away by playing it less and less frequently. The athletes will be present, but will not participate. Hartzell mishandled this thing from the very beginning. I could get on board with the statue for Whittier(??) but the renaming of the field for Earl and Ricky was dumb. Most of the other concessions were dumb as well. And certainly responding to "demands" placed by athletes with an almost immediate laundry list of concessions was dumb.

Hartzell needs to be looking for another job.
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It didn’t happen in the last 2 games of the season, why would it happen next year?
 
Duck Dodgers said:
The worst part about it all was that the UT Administrators bent over backwards for a group of malcontents, who were fed lies by extremists, in order to appease them into playing.

Who then stunk out most of the season, save for a nice OSU win, and a Alamo bowl win, after most of the worst players had already left.

The problem with appeasing turds like those players is that most of them end up self-flushing. They're soft, and melt away with time, leaving no trace except for a soil stain on the bowl, and even that's removed with another flush. So much better just to stick to your traditions and values, and let the malcontents infect some other group with their cancer.
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I’m going to draw the line at calling these guys names. Eagles and Sterns were team leaders who had the added pressure of seeing all the things going on around them, and wanting to express their feelings. They were fed a bunch of BS probably from people we told them to trust. So I won’t call them names for being inexperienced in understanding the world. Believe me they aren’t the only ones.
 
Sheldon Cooper said:
express their feelings
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Sorry, I believe they were/are puppets used by self serving puppeteers with an agenda to disrupt and harm The University. These were not "their feelings", but rather spoon fed malcontents. Did they do any research, or accept what they were told?

Our University survived an infiltration of terrorist, who were stopped by the actions of one man, who did not attend Texas. Our administration and local law enforcement NEVER had a clue and don't know about it to this date. Would they have stopped it? Doubtful.
 
mchammer said:
It didn’t happen in the last 2 games of the season, why would it happen next year?
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The "it" i think you are referring to is some students joining these athletes. If that is what you are asking...then I would say last year they didn't have time to get the collective anti-institution act together. Most of the people attending last years games were legit longtime-Longhorn fans. There are some students at UT that don't give 2 cents about the traditions and athletics of UT. They would be likely to join this protest and by next fall, they will have had the time to put a gameplan together. They'll try to make the 50 students that support the anti-EOT side appear to "represent" the university. The MSM headlines won't say "some students joined the athletes" It will say "students at the Uof T are protesting the EOT".
 
BrntOrngStmpeDe said:
They'll try to make the 50 students that support the anti-EOT side appear to "represent" the university. The MSM headlines won't say "some students joined the athletes" It will say "students at the Uof T are protesting the EOT".
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Yep...instant "splash effect" journalism. Seems to sells better than the truth of the matter.
 
Sometimes I wonder if we really need the band. It has been a good tradition in past years, but is the band an absolute necessity? I don't know how much the university lays out every year for them, but it has to be significant. If the band members want to dictate what they play and don't play, that seems to be counterproductive and a waste of funds that could be used elsewhere. So do away with band and play a recording of the National Anthem, The Eyes, and Texas Fight over the PA system, and free up the band's seats for paying customers. Bring it back someday in the future.
 
SabreHorn said:
Sorry, I believe they were/are puppets used by self serving puppeteers with an agenda to disrupt and harm The University. These were not "their feelings", but rather spoon fed malcontents. Did they do any research, or accept what they were told?
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I think the fact that the person we are talking about is a UT professor, and I consider that guy a puppeteer who pulled the strings on this. That person used these guys for sure, but it was UT that put this guy in front of them to begin with. He seeded their minds and pulled their strings. These guys are like most 20 somethings out there and don't have the experience or ability to see through such crap. That is why I refuse to call them names.
 
SabreHorn said:
Our University survived an infiltration of terrorist, who were stopped by the actions of one man, who did not attend Texas. Our administration and local law enforcement NEVER had a clue and don't know about it to this date. Would they have stopped it? Doubtful.
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That is a story I'd like to learn a little more about.
 
I shall only say that every University of Texas alum, employee, student at any time, supporter, and fan is indebted to one man (who never attended Texas, but paid for his younger brother to graduate there) risked his life and that of his wife to protect the University, its campus and its inhabitants. All should be grateful to him for his service, and hope he has a cold Budweiser in his hand.

:beertoast:
 
theiioftx said:
Leadership isn’t using coach speak. Coach speak is a self preservation tool.
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Coachspeak is akin to singing lullabies to a mewling herd of cattle at night. The tunes are nothing great but if they keep the cattle pacified they have accomplished a very good result for the herd and its tenders
 
huisache said:
Coachspeak is akin to singing lullabies to a mewling herd of cattle at night. The tunes are nothing great but if they keep the cattle pacified they have accomplished a very good result for the herd and its tenders
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Not sure I agree it applies to our situation, but fantastic analogy for a team called the Longhorns!
 
This was prior to the report on the EOT, but Douglas Dempster, Dean of the College of Fine Arts, is on record stating: "When the Longhorn Band performs, it will be expected to perform the Eyes of Texas." As far as I know, he is not a liar. This still should be good, as the band didn't show up to football games to perform last year. When they do show up this year, they'll be expected to play the EOT.

https://news.utexas.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/DeanDempster_EOTMemo_9.24.20.pdf
 
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