AP Poll

Creek said:
Good questions were asked but crap answers were given. They are in love with the PAC 12. It is all group think and bias. Everyone hates Texas including the committee
Last year they fell in love with the Toads. This year the Ducks.
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Overlooked by many is that Texas had too many games where they failed to properly take care of business. Allowing opponents to turn blowouts into a one-score game matters, and at least some analysts have now conceded as much.

Meanwhile, I was getting crap here by the 'but we are 8-1 9-1 10-1' crowd insisting that record was all that mattered.

If Texas misses, they have only their second-half collapses to blame.
 
mb227 said:
Overlooked by many is that Texas had too many games where they failed to properly take care of business. Allowing opponents to turn blowouts into a one-score game matters, and at least some analysts have now conceded as much.

Meanwhile, I was getting crap here by the 'but we are 8-1 9-1 10-1' crowd insisting that record was all that mattered.

If Texas misses, they have only their second-half collapses to blame.
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That is never the case for Ohio State, UM, USC, ND, any SEC team, et al. They find ways to win. This is a double standard on Texas.

And, look at the 2005 VY/Bush Hype$man. Since when do "analysts" do their job and consider an entire body of work and not just what they saw last week? When Texas is involved, that's when.
 
mb227 said:
Overlooked by many is that Texas had too many games where they failed to properly take care of business. Allowing opponents to turn blowouts into a one-score game matters, and at least some analysts have now conceded as much.

Meanwhile, I was getting crap here by the 'but we are 8-1 9-1 10-1' crowd insisting that record was all that mattered.

If Texas misses, they have only their second-half collapses to blame.
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Yes, absolutely. Which is why we need a lot of help now, as I stated above.
 
The close games of FSU, Washington, Georgia, Bama this weekend were basically ignored. Our blowout win was ignored.
We’d still be 5 if we blew out all the other games but OU.
 
horninchicago said:
That is never the case for Ohio State, UM, USC, ND, any SEC team, et al. They find ways to win. This is a double standard on Texas.

And, look at the 2005 VY/Bush Hype$man. Since when do "analysts" do their job and consider an entire body of work and not just what they saw last week? When Texas is involved, that's when.
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First of all, I’m a Longhorn so it’s uncomfortable taking this position, but the facts are the facts. The concern by many are the narrow wins against Houston (5-7), Kansas State (8-4), and TCU (5-7). To remind, the scores in those games were:

@ Houston W 31-24
Vs Kansas State 33-30 OT
@TCU 29-26

So let’s take a look at similar opponents of Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia and Alabama to make a few of your examples.

Ohio State comparables (they won these games easily)

Vs Maryland (7-5) W 37-17
@Rutgers (6-6) W 35-16
Vs Minnesota (5-7) W 37-3

You can say Ohio State “found ways to win” against Norte Dame and Penn State, but they’re legitimately good, top 20 teams.

Michigan comparables

Vs Rutgers (6-6) W 31-7
@ Minnesota (5-7) W 52-10
@ Maryland (7-5) W 31-24

Ok, Michigan escaped Maryland, but boat raced Rutgers and Minnesota. Everyone is entitled to an off day, except we had 3 off days.

Georgia comparables

Vs South Carolina (5-7) W 24-14
Vs Kentucky (7-5) W 51-13
Vs Florida (5-7) W 43-20

These are obviously superior wins to our wins over conference opponents with similar records.

Alabama comparables

@ Miss St (5-7) W 40-17
@ Aggie (7-5) W 26-20
@ Auburn (6-6) W 27-24

The results are most similar to our wins, except they boat races Mississippi State.
 
I get it. My point is for decades all other big programs simply get credit for wins, not margin of victory. Texas found a way to win. There is a double standard and hypocrisy applied to Texas.
 
Creek said:
The close games of FSU, Washington, Georgia, Bama this weekend were basically ignored. Our blowout win was ignored.
We’d still be 5 if we blew out all the other games but OU.
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You’re right we would be 5, because the four teams in front of us would be undefeated (Georgia, Michigan, Washington, and Fl State). But if we had blown out teams earlier this season the way we did Tech last week, then we would absolutely be ahead of Oregon and Ohio State right now. So failing to do that does matter. What I find really strange is that we apparently need some outrageous sound bite or bulletin board material to want to kick ***. Why do we need that? Isn’t there internal motivation to succeed at the highest level? To be your best everyday?
 
Didn't Texas blow out the common opponent that Oregon played? And in a game with much more meaning and a CCG berth on the line vs a non-conference September game. All this supposed analysis is BS.
 
horninchicago said:
Didn't Texas blow out the common opponent that Oregon played? And in a game with much more meaning and a CCG berth on the line vs a non-conference September game. All this supposed analysis is BS.
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You are absolutely correct! That should be weighed more heavily than apparently it is. I see your point. Not sure what factors are mitigating that. Perhaps timing (week 2 vs week 13). Additionally, it looks like Oregon is also coming off of there best win of the season.

Having said all of that, I think that Washington will beat Oregon on Friday, which will eliminate them entirely.
 
Horns365 said:
You are absolutely correct! That should be weighed more heavily than apparently it is. I see your point. Not sure what factors are mitigating that. Perhaps timing (week 2 vs week 13). Additionally, it looks like Oregon is also coming off of there best win of the season.

Having said all of that, I think that Washington will beat Oregon on Friday, which will eliminate them entirely.
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Week 2 vs week 13 is why the Texas win is more meaningful. CCG on the line, best running back out for the season, etc.

Plus, going back to the 3 games Texas eked out wins, what quarterback did Texas have to start in those games? Why don't the Professors take that into account? Because they suck at their jobs, that's why. Actually, I can't remember if Ewers was out for 2 or 3 games, but the point stands.
 
MoV is a fickle beast. It's even why the BCS stopped using it as part of their computer formulas. Ohio State 2002 is probably the best example of this in the modern era. Miami was about a 12-point favorite in the national championship due to their perceived MoV over their opponents versus how close tOSU played theirs.

Sometimes, you win because you gutted it out. No one "perceives" this is how Texas beat UH, KSU, or TCU. What everyone saw was huge blown leads and then kismet or fate or luck or whatever safely kept the W on our side.

The elephant in the room is that we played poorly against an eventual 2-loss team and no one else in the hunt has that issue. That alone is enough for some human committee members to say "welp they're the only one this applies to, so they're out." We really just need Iowa and Louisville to win.
 
horninchicago said:
Week 2 vs week 13 is why the Texas win is more meaningful. CCG on the line, best running back out for the season, etc.

Plus, going back to the 3 games Texas eked out wins, what quarterback did Texas have to start in those games? Why don't the Professors take that into account? Because they suck at their jobs, that's why. Actually, I can't remember if Ewers was out for 2 or 3 games, but the point stands.
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Apparently for those games, we needed some bulletin board material to get pumped. A fired up Texas team could beat Houston, K State, and TCU with anyone playing QB.
 
Going further into the week 2 discussion, how can anyone say that an Oregon close win over TTU vs our dominating win in week 2 vs Bama is better, especially after we beat TTU by 50 points? It is asinine they are ahead of us. Plain and simple, our close wins have nothing to do with it. It's BS and the pollsters and CFP members suck at analysis and having an understanding of college football.
 
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I think the Horns have one path to the playoffs. Win, Wash win, Georgia Win, Mich. Win and FSu lose leaving Horns as only one loss conference champion. If it comes down to a debate between Oregon and/or Alabama and Texas, I think we will get the short end of the stick. The quote somewhere above, about Oregon ranked over Texas because they have looked more dominant throws out all the criteria the committee has stated they use in favor of the eyeball test. Saban near the end of his coaching career (maybe) will not be left out. Texas will get dragged down by the no name big 12 who only have two schools that move the needle anywhere, Texas and Oua obe
 
think the Horns have one path to the playoffs. Win, Wash win, Georgia Win, Mich. Win and FSu lose leaving Horns as only one loss conference champion. If it comes down to a debate between Oregon and/or Alabama and Texas, I think we will get the short end of the stick. The quote somewhere above, about Oregon ranked over Texas because they have looked more dominant throws out all the criteria the committee has stated they use in favor of the eyeball test. Saban near the end of his coaching career (maybe) will not be left out. Texas will get dragged down by the no name big 12 who only have two schools that move the needle anywhere, Texas and ou. Tcu got the benefit last year and them getting embarrassed in the championship game will still weigh heavily. In the end, I don't think it will matter. GA beats Bama, Fsu is living like tcu last year and will win. Washington will beat Oregon. The only way Michigan loses is if it takes a knee on every offensive play except one and on that one they intentionally run out of the back of their own end zone to lose 2-0.
 
Walking Boss said:
think the Horns have one path to the playoffs. Win, Wash win, Georgia Win, Mich. Win and FSu lose leaving Horns as only one loss conference champion.
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It's not that complicated. If we win and Florida State loses, we're in the CFP. The only way that doesn't happen is if we just squeak out a very (very) ugly win against OkState.
 
Walking Boss said:
The quote somewhere above, about Oregon ranked over Texas because they have looked more dominant throws out all the criteria the committee has stated they use in favor of the eyeball test.
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You must not've listened to the same statements by the committee chairman as I have. They repeatedly stress that the most important factors when distinguishing teams with the same W-L record are conference championships and head-to-head results. If we win the Big XII, we will have one or the other of those critical advantages against most potential 1-loss teams, including Alabama, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, FSU, and Washington.

Oregon is different. The conference championship and head-to-head factors are not in play, and our W-L record against common opponents is the same. We do have a few small advantages over them (SOS, a better point spread against the sole common opponent) but they have a few small advantages against us (their loss is better and will have been avenged, better "eyeball" results). Reasonable minds can vary on which team should be ranked higher. I'd vote for Texas, but I can't begrudge someone who disagrees.
 
There ain't no way two Pac-12 teams end up in the CFP. The cabal of committee members aren't super-fond of the XII, ACC, or the Pac, but they'd be fine with two from the SEC or B1G.

The 12-team CFP format can't get here soon enough.
 
I thought this video by Joel Klatt was fantastic, as he breaks down how Tennessee and Clemson being in the top 25 causes problems for us and favors FSU/Georgia

 
Bayerithe said:
I thought this video by Joel Klatt was fantastic, as he breaks down how Tennessee and Clemson being in the top 25 causes problems for us and favors FSU/Georgia

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Bayerithe said:
I thought this video by Joel Klatt was fantastic, as he breaks down how Tennessee and Clemson being in the top 25 causes problems for us and favors FSU/Georgia

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This is a very good (and entertaining) analysis. I especially like how Klatt resolved the "Alabama has to be in if they win" argument by saying that Alabama would drag Texas in with them. I remain convinced that we are much better off if Alabama beats Georgia.
 
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