America is lost...

[bystander]

I don’t think you can discharge student loan debt.

Probably not if it's taxpayer money... yours and mine... I paid for my son's college education. He helped. Now we're looking like idiots for not at least borrowing to be in a position to be forgiven.

YEARS of planning, doing the right thing and we are the dopes.

 

[OUBubba]

Probably not if it's taxpayer money... yours and mine... I paid for my son's college education. He helped. Now we're looking like idiots for not at least borrowing to be in a position to be forgiven.

YEARS of planning, doing the right thing and we are the dopes.

Are Christians pissed when criminals receive forgiveness for their heinous sins previous to salvation?

 

[Monahorns]

Are Christians pissed when criminals receive forgiveness for their heinous sins previous to salvation?

Piss poor analogy here. God forgives the debt we sinners owe to Him. If the banks choose to forgive student loan debt on their own that is in line with Christian forgiveness. If a rich person pays others' debts out of what they produce and save that is true charity.

When the government commands banks to not take loan payments from students, that isn't forgiveness. That is theft. When the government pays off student loans, that isn't forgiveness that is theft. They steal from one group to give to another. That is injustice.

 

[bystander]

Are Christians pissed when criminals receive forgiveness for their heinous sins previous to salvation?

I am unmoved by that. It has nothing to do with anything we're talking about. It's an attempt to cover for poor decisions using guilt trip tactics. I have no guilt for student loan debt.

 

[mchammer]

Everytime I read sympathetic articles of folks who have student debt, this is what I learn:
1. Student chose to go to expensive private school because they felt entitled to do so.
2. After graduating they are living on their own instead of sharing an apartment.
3. The above 2 items alone contribute to why they can’t afford the monthly debt payment of $600 or so.

 

[Sheldon Cooper]

There are ways of discharging student loan debt but they are rare instances such as becoming a teacher, getting completely disabled, or dying.

 

[Joe Fan]

I don’t think you can discharge student loan debt.

That is true

 

[Joe Fan]

Everytime I read sympathetic articles of folks who have student debt, this is what I learn:
1. Student chose to go to expensive private school because they felt entitled to do so.
2. After graduating they are living on their own instead of sharing an apartment.
3. The above 2 items alone contribute to why they can’t afford the monthly debt payment of $600 or so.

You forgot that the job market for degrees in CRT are kind of tight
There are only so many webinars Coca Cola will give you

 

[Joe Fan]

Oh boy - a billion for racial justice for "farmers"
Biden $1.9T coronavirus stimulus package includes $1B for racial justice provisions for farmers

This is exactly what Obama did with his first "stimulus"
You might recall how Obama was going to "invest" in rebuilding America's crumbling infrastructure?
LOL

He requested "shovel ready" projects
LOL

SHOVEL READY!

What a load of crap

Obama's near $1 TRILLION stimulus bill was a giant money laundering scam
The money was "payback" to all the "folks" who helped him win the election

Looks like Biden is following that same blueprint -- and he has a lot of people to pay back

Of the entire $1T, this was the only funding to actually involved a shovel
And I bet you can guess what he is shoveling here

 

[bystander]

Too late Kate... that was you. That was Hollywood. You sanctimonious, narcissistic, obsessive liars are a disgrace. Seriously. You are. I'll watch a movie but you get no credit from me for it.

I've not watched an awards show in decades. The combination of their massive levels of hypocrisy and sanctimony is why.

The headline is about her weight, which I can understand how it would be upsetting to her... but the focus of my post is her decisions to work with Roman Polanski and Woody Allen. Whatever you may think of those Directors, Hollywood elevated the art above everything else.

Kate Winslet says focus on her weight as a young star was 'straight-up cruel'

 

[bystander]

Oh boy

Biden $1.9T coronavirus stimulus package includes $1B for racial justice provisions for farmers

The $1B is not that much money at all. I'm not liking the tag line of racial justice because that will be exploited much like the general welfare and commerce clauses of the Constitution. It will be managed by the biggest lying hypocrites around: LIBERALS.

 

[Joe Fan]

The $1B is not that much money at all. I'm not liking the tag line of racial justice because that will be exploited much like the general welfare and commerce clauses of the Constitution. It will be managed by the biggest lying hypocrites around: LIBERALS.

"A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money"

-- Everett Dirksen
​

We need more of these, less AOCs

 

[Joe Fan]

Too late Kate... that was you. That was Hollywood. You sanctimonious, narcissistic, obsessive liars are a disgrace. Seriously. You are. I'll watch a movie but you get no credit from me for it.

I've not watched an awards show in decades. The combination of their massive levels of hypocrisy and sanctimony is why.

Kate Winslet says focus on her weight as a young star was 'straight-up cruel'

Maybe no one would have noticed if she wasnt naked all the time?

 

[Horn6721]

Jf
I was just trying to remember who said that.

 

[Run Pincher]

Oh boy - a billion for racial justice for "farmers"
Biden $1.9T coronavirus stimulus package includes $1B for racial justice provisions for farmers

This is exactly what Obama did with his first "stimulus"
You might recall how Obama was going to "invest" in rebuilding America's crumbling infrastructure?
LOL

He requested "shovel ready" projects
LOL

SHOVEL READY!

What a load of crap

Obama's near $1 TRILLION stimulus bill was a giant money laundering scam
The money was "payback" to all the "folks" who helped him win the election

Looks like Biden is following that same blueprint -- and he has a lot of people to pay back

Of the entire $1T, this was the only funding to actually involved a shovel
And I bet you can guess what he is shoveling here

It's certainly reparations.

 

[Joe Fan]

Jf
I was just trying to remember who said that.

Interesting guy who had his good points (see the LBJ tapes), but he was from an era when Rs were perfectly happy being the minority.

 

[Joe Fan]

Oh boy - a billion for racial justice for "farmers"
Biden $1.9T coronavirus stimulus package includes $1B for racial justice provisions for farmers

This is exactly what Obama did with his first "stimulus"
You might recall how Obama was going to "invest" in rebuilding America's crumbling infrastructure?
LOL

He requested "shovel ready" projects
LOL

SHOVEL READY!

What a load of crap

Obama's near $1 TRILLION stimulus bill was a giant money laundering scam
The money was "payback" to all the "folks" who helped him win the election

Looks like Biden is following that same blueprint -- and he has a lot of people to pay back

Of the entire $1T, this was the only funding to actually involved a shovel
And I bet you can guess what he is shoveling here

Here is some more of Biden's pork -- it's almost surprising Dems has time for this in between trying to impeach someone already out of office and then working so hard to limit his burial options

Like the above, most of the money will be on the form of direct bailout for Democratic constituencies. They will give it names under the guise of expanding "progressive" programs. But its pork, at best. Illegal money laundering at worst.

- $350 billion to blue state and local governments who went for nuclear economic lockdowns in an effort to screw Trump in the election
- $86 billion to rescue 185 pension plans insured by the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. Managed jointly by employer sponsors and unions, these plans are chronically underfunded due to lax federal standards and accounting rules.
- $129 billion to "encourage" public school teachers to get to work
- $40 billion to colleges and universities for an "unstated reason"
- $35 billion to prop up ObamaCare
- $1.5 million for the Seaway International Bridge that connects Chuck Schumer's house in New York to Canada
- $500 million for Elizabeth Warren's grants to fund the libraries and museums, and Native American language preservation
- $39 billion for child care
- $30 billion for public transit
- $19 billion in rental assistance
- $10 billion in mortgage help
- $4.5 billion in Energy Assistance
- $3.5 billion for food stamps
- $1 billion for Head Start
- $1.5 billion for Amtrak
- $50 billion for the FEMA
- $4 billion to pay off loans of farmers and ranchers of color
- $1 billion in world food assistance.
- $25 billion Earned Income Tax Credit expansion

​

 

[bystander]

"A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking real money"

-- Everett Dirksen
​

We need more of these, less AOCs

I HEAR YOU.

 

[bystander]

$129 billion to "encourage" public school teachers to get to work

Assuming this is true, once again, the reality of a union (Police and Teachers) show that unions will turn on anyone and exploit any situation. It's FAR BEYOND having a voice in the business. Federal law now provides so many protections. What it is really about is the ability to extort (pay us or we will destroy anything including your children's education) on demand.

 

[bystander]

I am unmoved by that. It has nothing to do with anything we're talking about. It's an attempt to cover for poor decisions using guilt trip tactics. I have no guilt for student loan debt.

Replying to myself on this...

Hey Bystander, why don't we hear the Liberal establishment blasting the education cartel for over-charging our kids and forcing them to take garbage electives that couldn't buy you a Venti Soy Latte at Starbucks?

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

Here is some more of Biden's pork -- it's almost surprising Dems has time for this in between trying to impeach someone already out of office and then working so hard to limit his burial options

Like the above, most of the money will be on the form of direct bailout for Democratic constituencies. They will give it names under the guise of expanding "progressive" programs. But its pork, at best. Illegal money laundering at worst.

- $350 billion to blue state and local governments who went for nuclear economic lockdowns in an effort to screw Trump in the election
- $86 billion to rescue 185 pension plans insured by the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. Managed jointly by employer sponsors and unions, these plans are chronically underfunded due to lax federal standards and accounting rules.
- $129 billion to "encourage" public school teachers to get to work
- $40 billion to colleges and universities for an "unstated reason"
- $35 billion to prop up ObamaCare
- $1.5 million for the Seaway International Bridge that connects Chuck Schumer's house in New York to Canada
- $500 million for Elizabeth Warren's grants to fund the libraries and museums, and Native American language preservation
- $39 billion for child care
- $30 billion for public transit
- $19 billion in rental assistance
- $10 billion in mortgage help
- $4.5 billion in Energy Assistance
- $3.5 billion for food stamps
- $1 billion for Head Start
- $1.5 billion for Amtrak
- $50 billion for the FEMA
- $4 billion to pay off loans of farmers and ranchers of color
- $1 billion in world food assistance.
- $25 billion Earned Income Tax Credit expansion​

Here, Scalise says only about 10% of Biden's Coronavirus bill goes to public health

 

[Mr. Deez]

For starters, any teacher who wears a mask to a zoom meeting should get fired.

Second, kids being this ignorant is a product of derelict parents as much as it's a product of derelict schools. Teachers are responsible to teach kids, but the first responsibility to teach kids lies with parents.

 

[Joe Fan]

Liberals make satire very challenging
Example, they have actually called on Coke to replace the white bear

Should the Polar Bear Still Sell Coca-Cola?

 

[OUBubba]

For starters, any teacher who wears a mask to a zoom meeting should get fired.

Second, kids being this ignorant is a product of derelict parents as much as it's a product of derelict schools. Teachers are responsible to teach kids, but the first responsibility to teach kids lies with parents.

Maybe he was in a room with others or some other setting that required the mask. We have that occasionally.

 

[Joe Fan]

For starters, any teacher who wears a mask to a zoom meeting should get fired.

Second, kids being this ignorant is a product of derelict parents as much as it's a product of derelict schools. Teachers are responsible to teach kids, but the first responsibility to teach kids lies with parents.

We are close to agreement this time
But I would argue teaching schoolkids history is more the job of of schools

 

[mb227]

I don’t think you can discharge student loan debt.

Depends on 1) when it was incurred and 2) whether it was federal or private. There are still some older federal student loans that may actually still be dischargable if the deadbeat has thus far evaded collection activity...and yeah, if they still have a loan from the 80's, they qualify as deadbeat.

 

[mb227]

The Details About the 6 Donald Trump Corporate Bankruptcies

i was told bankruptcy wasn’t a bad thing. Referring to the current GOP leader for the 2024 election.

Don't be so obtuse as to conflate personal finances with corporate finances. Even being an okie, you SEEMED to have more sense than that...

 

[Joe Fan]

Depends on 1) when it was incurred and 2) whether it was federal or private. There are still some older federal student loans that may actually still be dischargable if the deadbeat has thus far evaded collection activity...and yeah, if they still have a loan from the 80's, they qualify as deadbeat.

I thought he was talking about Bankr Ct
Student loans are not dischargeable there

 

[mb227]

I thought he was talking about Bankr Ct
Student loans are not dischargeable there

Private loans were dischargable until sometime in the past few decades. I have not kept up with the specifics since I don't do BK law and I don't know anyone who went to school in my era who still has loans that are either not yet paid or aren't close to being burned by pay-off...

There are also some rare avenues where fed loans were supposedly dischargable if undue hardship could be shown...a high hurdle, to be sure...but potentially doable.