2024 GOP Primary

[Mr. Deez]

Do you think Desantis or any other (R) president would have gotten actual legislation passed with that congress? The one that help up countless appointments and allowed the Kavanaugh disaster as well as everything else that occurred thoise 4 years. I think what Desantis was able to accomplish in FL doesn't compare given the vast differences in legislatures. All that said, I like both and would be happy with either vs. ANY democrat libtard on the planet.

Good chance he wouldn't, but he might be able to leverage compromises in our favor on it. That would be significant progress compared to Trump who didn't even try. He largely let Congress do whatever it wanted and went along with most crap that they sent him - no attempt to rein in spending, no attempt to get woke crap removed from government, nothing.

And don't assume it's a cakewalk at the state level. I worked on legislation like that in Texas for years even with Republicans running things as they do in Florida. It's very hard and gets tremendous pushback. There's a reason why the GOP has run the state since 2003, but we still have affirmative action and don't have school choice.

 

[ViperHorn]

Do you think Desantis or any other (R) president would have gotten actual legislation passed with that congress? The one that help up countless appointments and allowed the Kavanaugh disaster as well as everything else that occurred thoise 4 years. I think what Desantis was able to accomplish in FL doesn't compare given the vast differences in legislatures. All that said, I like both and would be happy with either vs. ANY democrat libtard on the planet.

I will vote for the Republican, but I still have not seen any swing from independents and educated women from 2000 so Trump has squandered 3 years in pursuit of them as they are the swing votes. Desantis' sleaze factor is too high for me. The do-nothing House is also a big collar around the Republicans' neck.

The polls pander to who conducted them so right now no Republican is assured of 270 electoral votes. Biden, Newsome, or Obama are probably closer than Trump. God help us if any of those three are elected/reelected.

 

[Monahorns]

It does, but dictatorships (whether communist is fascist) tend to lead to them more often.

I don't see the same incentive within communism or fascism itself. In communism the cult could be within the party, but it doesn't matter what the people want. They get no say in the matter. Similar in fascism but remember Hitler was elected democratically. Chavez was elected in Venezuela.

 

[Monahorns]

And don't assume it's a cakewalk at the state level. I worked on legislation like that in Texas for years even with Republicans running things as they do in Florida. It's very hard and gets tremendous pushback. There's a reason why the GOP has run the state since 2003, but we still have affirmative action and don't have school choice.

Because Republicans are big part of the problem?

 

[Garmel]

So why vote for Trump? It's because they value the style more than the substance. Call it an insult, but I don't see how it can be denied.

Let me play devil's advocate here. Trump built a great economy. Would DeSantis? Trump kept the peace. Would Desantis? Plenty of reasons to go with Trump with the unknowns in regards to DeSantis.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Let me play devil's advocate here. Trump built a great economy. Would DeSantis? Trump kept the peace. Would Desantis? Plenty of reasons to go with Trump with the unknowns in regards to DeSantis.

Take it deeper though. How did Trump build a great economy? It wasn't just the power of his will. Certain policies were put into place to enable a strong economy. Same with foreign policy. Desantis favours pretty much the same policies, and where he disagrees, it's in a good direction, such as not deficit spending like there's no tomorrow.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I don't see the same incentive within communism or fascism itself. In communism the cult could be within the party, but it doesn't matter what the people want. They get no say in the matter. Similar in fascism but remember Hitler was elected democratically. Chavez was elected in Venezuela.

It's a different incentive, but an incentive still exists. The powerful want to remain powerful, so they develop a personality cult driven by propaganda and the persecution of dissent.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Because Republicans are big part of the problem?

Some of them are, yes.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Desantis' sleaze factor is too high for me.

Trump banged a porn actress and tried to pay her off, but Desantis has a sleaze factor?

 

[Chop]

'She's a killer': Trump eyes Rep. Elise Stefanik as a potential VP pick

 

[Chop]

'She's a killer': Trump eyes Rep. Elise Stefanik as a potential VP pick

 

[Garmel]

Take it deeper though. How did Trump build a great economy? It wasn't just the power of his will. Certain policies were put into place to enable a strong economy. Same with foreign policy. Desantis favours pretty much the same policies, and where he disagrees, it's in a good direction, such as not deficit spending like there's no tomorrow.

Yes, but there are a lot of conservatives who have done similar things to Trump but not had his success. We had the best real median income in our lifetime (maybe best in our existence) and cheap gas. We can't be for sure DeSantis gets the same results.

DeSantis is battling crazy insurance premiums in Florida. Not his fault but he hasn't had much success in getting it down. Could he handle an American economy?

Btw, Trump didn't have any classified stuff by the toilet. That was propaganda by Jack Smith with the pictures. Smith is his indictment admits the "classified" docs were all in the SCIF or in Trump's office.

 

[Horn6721]

Trump didn't tweet on the toilet either.
Posting such stupid TDS lies clouds all other remarks.

 

[Chop]

‘He wasn’t wrong:’ JP Morgan Chase CEO defends Trump, warns Biden to stop slamming MAGA voters

 

[Run Pincher]

Let me play devil's advocate here. Trump built a great economy. Would DeSantis? Trump kept the peace. Would Desantis? Plenty of reasons to go with Trump with the unknowns in regards to DeSantis.

To be honest, The rep's need to go with the best chance to win to stop the path of destruction of our country. Any Rep. is 1000x better than what the dims will put forth, even if it's not biden.

I know the polls, but I still don't think Trump can win against the deep state. He has too many issue for the dims and MSM to attack. Haley or DeSantis stand a better chance.

 

[Monahorns]

It's a different incentive, but an incentive still exists. The powerful want to remain powerful, so they develop a personality cult driven by propaganda and the persecution of dissent.

Yes, but it isn't necessarily aimed at the people if they don't decide who is in power. It is focused internally in the party or with the military or the oligarchs, etc. But yes cult of personality is a boon for any political leader. Politics is about getting people to follow your lead and stay devoted to you when there is opposition.

 

[nashhorn]

I’m in the same camp Run. I just do not have the faith Trump can win - not that he cannot get the votes but that he cannot beat the ‘machine’, and yeah I am in the camp believing the race was fixed in 20. Not obsessing over it, I simply take it for fact.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Trump didn't tweet on the toilet either.

How do you know that? Were you there throughout his 4 years in the White House, assigned to monitor all Presidential toilet activity?

I have no idea if he did or didn't, and I really couldn't care less because it simply doesn't matter whether he tweeted from the oval office or the royal throne.

 

[Horn6721]

The same could be said about the silly remark
And could be said about any statement with no proof.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

I agree. So why race (yet again) to Trump's defense with no proof, one way or the other?

 

[Horn6721]

A better question might be why would anyone make such a accusation without proof?

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

A better question might be why would anyone make such a accusation without proof?

Because the media, democrats, and leftists in general love to use anything they can in an attempt to smear politicians they don't like - and we all know how much they loathed Donald J Trump.

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

Let me play devil's advocate here. Trump built a great economy. Would DeSantis? Trump kept the peace. Would Desantis? Plenty of reasons to go with Trump with the unknowns in regards to DeSantis.

Trump did well on those issues you spoke of. My problem is, I don't think Trump or DeSantis can put the genie back in the bottle when it comes to the wars currently being waged. It's too far out of control for any potus to "control" now. Joe may not have lit the match but he handed bad actors the gas can.

Economy? I'd prefer DeSantis. 7 or 8 trillion in debt is Trump's record, no running away from that

Trump should have **** on fauci far earlier. DeSantis called ******** on his act about when conservatives on this board began to do so. Trump slow footed the whole thing

 

[Mr. Deez]

Yes, but there are a lot of conservatives who have done similar things to Trump but not had his success. We had the best real median income in our lifetime (maybe best in our existence) and cheap gas. We can't be for sure DeSantis gets the same results.

Perhaps we haven't always gotten that good of a median income, but when we've done similar things (cutting taxes, cutting regulation, etc.), we've pretty much always gotten a broadly good economic outcome. It happened with Kennedy, Reagan, post-1994 Clinton, and Bush 43. What accounts for the unusually high median income if it wasn't policy? Likely it was other exernalities outside the realm of policy that caused that, which means that though you can't be sure of identical results from Desantis, you also can't be sure of identical results from Trump. Not all of it was within his control.

DeSantis is battling crazy insurance premiums in Florida. Not his fault but he hasn't had much success in getting it down. Could he handle an American economy?

Trump was supposed to bring down health insurance premiums too, and he couldn't pull it off either. The reality is that bringing down insurance premiums is a tough task for anybody, because it's driven by so many things, and most of them are outside the control of public policymakers.

Btw, Trump didn't have any classified stuff by the toilet. That was propaganda by Jack Smith with the pictures. Smith is his indictment admits the "classified" docs were all in the SCIF or in Trump's office.

I was half-making a joke about the location of the docs, and frankly, the location of the docs doesn't matter. It wouldn't make a difference if they were by the toilet.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Trump didn't tweet on the toilet either.
Posting such stupid TDS lies clouds all other remarks.

That's a joke too. We don't know where he tweeted from, but he tweeted as though he was sitting on the toilet. Like with the classified docs, it really doesn't matter where he was.

 

[Horn6721]

Deez
I should have known. It was pretty unlike you
But of course I got up on my high horse.
( isn't that an old country expression? Going to go add it into thead)

 

[HornHuskerDad]

The rep's need to go with the best chance to win to stop the path of destruction of our country. Any Rep. is 1000x better than what the dims will put forth, even if it's not biden.

Absolutely correct. All you need to do is read the Democrat platform to see that they're driving toward socialism.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Deez
I should have known. It was pretty unlike you
But of course I got up on my high horse.
( isn't that an old country expression? Going to go add it into thead)

And for the record, most of us have posted to Hornfans from the toilet before.

 

[Garmel]

Trump did well on those issues you spoke of. My problem is, I don't think Trump or DeSantis can put the genie back in the bottle when it comes to the wars currently being waged. It's too far out of control for any potus to "control" now. Joe may not have lit the match but he handed bad actors the gas can.

Economy? I'd prefer DeSantis. 7 or 8 trillion in debt is Trump's record, no running away from that

Trump should have **** on fauci far earlier. DeSantis called ******** on his act about when conservatives on this board began to do so. Trump slow footed the whole thing

In general I agree with you. I was making the point to Deez that there is a lot more to Trump voters than those who just want style over substance. He still, despite some of his shortcomings, the best president in our lifetime. I think DeSantis is the better pick but Trump is a close second. We also have to realize that DeSantis is someone we can't be sure of would have done as well as Trump did even considering Trump's shortcomings. DeSantis himself could have had his own issues that would have damaged the country.

 

[HalRex]

The economic team Trump put together was fantastic. Also, his grasp of how energy affects ALL things is critical - it tilts the playing field of the entire planet. In my opinion even the Abraham Accords came about because of the rise of American energy and the pressure it applied to OPEC countries.
Would DeSantis have done or could he do the same?