2022 Recruiting - Football

I_Dont_Exist said:
And by allegations of the sexual assault charges or whatever it was called he was obviously guilty but they.let it slide? I'd be interested to learn how you know this to be fact.Apparently you're innocent until proven guilty in this country unless you're a football player or coach you, not you personally, don't like. Can't recall if it was for the crab legs or something else but Fisher suspended him the entire game against Clemson easily their toughest game of the year.

And I don't much care about Fisher one way or the other. I just enjoy refuting fallacious arguments.
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So here are the only questions that matter. Where did he leave the program and why did he leave if he was building it to a higher level. Sabre would know.
 
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OrangeClad said:
We need portal help for OL for next season. We will get some improvement by existing guys, but not enough to offset losing our best OL to graduation. Kelvin Banks appears to be the only possible candidate for immediate playing time, not surprising why he is a 5 star rated guy. Earnest Greene, if we were to get him, might be another that could provide some help, but they would still be true frosh who got schooled here and there at best. I can't enough of a read with Campbell, if we get him, because his motor doesn't always seem to be that high. He has skill and talent, but who knows.

The rest of our supposed "historic" OL class are not yet ready for prime time. Good stock to build on, but not there yet. This isn't surprising when you look at where they are rated, mid to low 4 star and 3 star guys. You can be a 6.0 4 star talent like Kam Dewberry, 1 tenth of a point under a 6.1 rated 5 star Kelvin Banks, or you can be a 5.8 4 star, 2 tenths of a point under Kam Dewberry and only 1 tenth of a point above a high 3 star guy. Most of our 4 stars are closer to 3 star ratings than 5 star ratings.

We need help from those who are proven against D-1 talent if we want any significant improvement next year.
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First, I would pump the breaks on the whole star discussion until they get here. The evaluation, I leave to the coaches we have in place. nobody here has any clue of who will be ready and who will not. We are not at the practices nor the games, and We have no on hands experience in player evaluation. I leave that to coach Flood. The one thing I know is they are young and there will most likely be some serious growing pains I’m sure, but I still feel this will soon be an area of strength. I think we should just let this play out, not be quick to judge, and enjoy the ride. This is a haul like we haven’t seen on the 40 acres trenches wise. Both starters and depth. This is great teams are built.
 
OrangeClad said:
We need portal help for OL for next season.
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Perhaps I’m nuts but I still believe there is a possibility that Tommy Brockermeyer portals after the game next week.The short term issue (if we were to be so lucky) would be the reality that he has yet to see the field at the college level if I am not mistaken.
 
NM fan said:
First, I would pump the breaks on the whole star discussion until they get here. The evaluation, I leave to the coaches we have in place. nobody here has any clue of who will be ready and who will not. We are not at the practices nor the games, and We have no on hands experience in player evaluation. I leave that to coach Flood. The one thing I know is they are young and there will most likely be some serious growing pains I’m sure, but I still feel this will soon be an area of strength. I think we should just let this play out, not be quick to judge, and enjoy the ride. This is a haul like we haven’t seen on the 40 acres trenches wise. Both starters and depth. This is great teams are built.
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We can all just sunshine pump, say “I’ll defer to the coaches …..” and not bother to either post on a thread titled Recruiting. Or, we can use history, experience in the sport, film analysis and opinions of those supposed experts and in the know and have fun prognosticating and offering our opinions in such a thread. I have recently spent a considerable amount of time analyzing recruiting ratings (stars and more importantly, number rating) compared to NFL draft results. While every individual is different and there are 6.1 five stars who flame out and 5.5 three stars who develop and turn into 1st round draft picks, the data is extremely overwhelming in support of the recruiting ratings. I’ve read a number of analyses with all offering similar numbers, somewhere in the vicinity that 6.1 five star players have a 20% chance of being a 1st round draft pick and a 56% chance of being drafted, while a four star has a 3% chance of being a 1st round draft pick and an 18% chance of being drafted, while a star has a .7% chance of being a 1st round draft pick and a 7% chance of being drafted. Those stats are devastating and difficult to argue against. We sit around all day and convince ourselves that our coaches represent the one FBS program who can go against the grain and defy the data without skewing it, but I think we are smarter than that, or should be. If we give the experts, or those who spend hundreds of hours to analyze technique and success and give ratings to recruits any credit (which we should since they NFL drafts are proving them more accurate than we previously believed), then you can bet on the fact that for the majority of recruits, a 6.0 four star is much 1 tenth worse than a 6.1 five star and 2 tenths better than a 5.8 four star. Programs are built with groups like this. But they can be built faster with proven portal talent, just like they could be built faster if you brought in all 6.1 five star or 6.0 four star recruits.
 
old65horn said:
Have not seen this posted, but OU WR Mario Williams has hit the portal
too bad, but do we have any interest, if so any chance to get this former 5*?
Bevo’s Daily Roundup: Oklahoma exodus continues as WR Mario Williams enters NCAA transfer portal

Mario Williams, 2021 Wide Receiver - Rivals.com
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I think speculation has been from his announcement that he plans to follow Caleb Williams. But I would hope we would have interest if that is not the case. I don't remember if we were in the mix or not in his initial recruiting.
 
I don't know anything about the kid, but if he is a decent character then I think our BMDs should throw the NIL kitchen sink at him. He was the #1 national WR recruit in last year's class, a step or two above where Evan Stewart was this year. He also proved himself against D-1 talent this year as a true freshman while ES didn't exactly dominate in the Under Armour game last weekend against quality talent (no intended knock on Stewart as he did look very good in practices). But the point is Williams is a higher rated guy and a proven D-1 player, while we were disappointed unproven Stewart went Aggy when they gave him the NIL kitchen sink. This could be a blessing more so than a silver lining, if he is a good kid and we can motivate him.
 
LHABSOB said:
I think speculation has been from his announcement that he plans to follow Caleb Williams. But I would hope we would have interest if that is not the case. I don't remember if we were in the mix or not in his initial recruiting.
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did not get a visit
 
old65horn said:
Have not seen this posted, but OU WR Mario Williams has hit the portal
too bad, but do we have any interest, if so any chance to get this former 5*?
Bevo’s Daily Roundup: Oklahoma exodus continues as WR Mario Williams enters NCAA transfer portal

Mario Williams, 2021 Wide Receiver - Rivals.com
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He stated that he doesn't know where Caleb Williams is going but that's who he wants to be his QB.
So whoever picks up Caleb get him as a package deal it would appear.
 
das3603 said:
Good for him. I hope it works out well.
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Me too. He is a special talent if he can get his head straight. We were definitely interested and he is just as electric as Bijan but he has a character problem dating back into high school. Anytime you have to sit out a state championship you need to revisit what your conduct did!
 
Until somebody, NCAA or the College Football coaches, gets some sanity about the NIL train wreck, the whole notion of ‘college football’ will almost certainly consume itself. I’ve closely followed recruiting since the late 1960’s. I remember well “The Worster Bunch” I don’t begrudge the aTm’s mania to buy their way to the top. That’s fine if that is what anybody intended, then hell, let’s get it on. It is beyond imagination that any legislator or administrator thought that $25-30MM per recruiting class was healthy for anybody. I think these goobers expected something like a few hundred bucks or a thousand to sign autographs at a car dealership, maybe some upscale clothes. Competing dollar for dollar with the NFL for HS kids is crazy as cocaine. The NFL has better sense than to do that. Like every genie, this one will be a bloody mess to rebottle. World’s fair level can of worms!
 
hornde68 said:
$25-30MM per recruiting class
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It's hard to believe they're going to be able to keep up the pace. They've added more to Jimbo's contract so it may be they see the need to jump start the thing on his behalf. They are fully committed.
 
bystander said:
It's hard to believe they're going to be able to keep up the pace. They've added more to Jimbo's contract so it may be they see the need to jump start the thing on his behalf. They are fully committed.
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Believe me, I live in aTm alternate universe. They’ll keep it up UNTIL they buy a national championship or some sane adult calls a halt to it. They got beaucoup bucks and out of control UT envy. That was before the SEC dose of sanity hit. One which, BTW, we are about to ingest.
 
It's being reported that DE/LB Derrick Brown (Texarkana Texas High) is no longer an early enrollee.

Also 50/50 that DT Jaray Bledsoe (Marlin) is able to enroll early.
 
hornde68 said:
Believe me, I live in aTm alternate universe. They’ll keep it up UNTIL they buy a national championship or some sane adult calls a halt to it. They got beaucoup bucks and out of control UT envy. That was before the SEC dose of sanity hit. One which, BTW, we are about to ingest.
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Well, the desperation is probably hitting hard with the idea that it would be totally unacceptable to lose to UT and finish behind us in the standings. They'd have to swallow years of gloating. Oh wait. They should be used to that already.
 
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