What a shame to the family.
2020 Presidential Election: let the jockeying commence
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It's hard to get too mad at them, because they're so kind and decent in their personal lives. I've known them both for 40 years, and I literally can't tell you a single ugly thing they've ever said about or done to anyone. They're just very decent people. Misguided to no end but very decent.
If they were truly in the crowd wearing ***** hats, they have a streak of hate inside them. Perhaps they hide it well.
Clean
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I have 3 kids. The two oldest are conservatives, but the youngest has always traveled to the beat of a different drum as they say.
She has become "woke" in the last 3--4 years. She used to gripe when I'd make her recycle a soda can, now she picks up plastic cups and stuff that's not hers and takes it home and recycles it. She's a teacher and I think the liberal environment she works in and her work friends have influenced her.
When you said she was a teacher, that pretty much explained everything. There are maybe 5 conservative teachers in the country.
And my wife is one of them, but she doesn't bring it into the classroom.
"Sangre Naranjada,If they were truly in the crowd wearing ***** hats, they have a streak of hate inside them. Perhaps they hide it well."
I'm not trying to quote Trump here, but there were thousands of good women in the crowd who wanted to be part of something they never had a chance to before.
I have normal, liberal friends who went, who don't have a streak of hate in them.
To them, it was kind of a female Woodstock, a chance for women to gather together. The crazy ***** wearing women got all the press, but women like my friends took it as kind of a historical girls weekend.
Much wine was drunk, food was eaten, and they had a blast in a fancy BNB.
They marched, but it wasn't the focal point of their time. They just wanted to show up as women, if that makes sense.
I'm not trying to quote Trump here, but there were thousands of good women in the crowd who wanted to be part of something they never had a chance to before.
I have normal, liberal friends who went, who don't have a streak of hate in them.
To them, it was kind of a female Woodstock, a chance for women to gather together. The crazy ***** wearing women got all the press, but women like my friends took it as kind of a historical girls weekend.
Much wine was drunk, food was eaten, and they had a blast in a fancy BNB.
They marched, but it wasn't the focal point of their time. They just wanted to show up as women, if that makes sense.
Gross exaggeration! My daughter would be one of them and she has others among her friends. But I do admit to being a minority.
You know what, you're probably right, Holland. I withdraw the comment and offer an apology. Unlike people who wish to hold fast to the narrative against Trump's comments in Charlottesville, I will acknowledge that my perceptions of the entire women's rally were probably unfairly tainted by the crazy ones who got the press coverage.
Obviously, there are more than five, and Mrs. Deez is one of them. However, they are a small minority, and very few of them are vocally conservative because they know how obnoxious and intolerant many of the liberal teachers are. Basically, the liberal teachers shoot off their mouths, and conservative teachers keep quiet to avoid getting bullied.
Joe Fan
10,000+ Posts
I think the election will be much closer than this. However, Trump has lost support with white women - a group he won in 2016. If he can't regain their support, he will be in trouble in 2020. It's easy to point to the economy and say they should be backing him, but it's clear that policy and substantive issues aren't defining the electorate. Personality, style, and political branding are, and of course, the media drives that more than anything else. That's not good for Trump.
Joe Fan
10,000+ Posts
The truth about this woman is that her single largest donor heading into the 2018 election was Boies Schiller and Flexner
Her former employer
Who paid her millions
AKA the same firm who hired thugs to terrorize and silence the victims of Harvey Weinstein
Remeber, just because CNN/MSNBC dont cover it doesnt mean it didnt happen
So please save the grandstanding
Her former employer
Who paid her millions
AKA the same firm who hired thugs to terrorize and silence the victims of Harvey Weinstein
Remeber, just because CNN/MSNBC dont cover it doesnt mean it didnt happen
So please save the grandstanding
According to whom has he lost support from white women? Polls? If so, that is laughable. We all know how accurate the polls are.
My wife is a white woman and her support has not diminished.
LongestHorn
2,500+ Posts
No incumbent president has ever polled this poorly against his likely challengers at this point in the campaign.
Two things. Polls and the 2018 election.
So polls are useless, but one anecdote proves everything? Interesting logic.
Polls said Clinton was going to be our president too.
Nope. I was pointing out how useless both of those data points are. Polls and one person.
Edit: The history of the "Polls" the last several years indicates that it's not very logical to pint to them as credible sources.
There was also an election in 2018. It largely reinforced what the polls on white women are suggesting.
Warren taking away their health insurance will drive suburban women back to Trump.
Warren likely won't be the nominee.
"No incumbent president has ever polled this poorly against his likely challengers at this point in the campaign. "
I see that. Maybe it portends.
LH
Has any Presidential Candidate polled so incredibly high and lost as Hillary ?
I see that. Maybe it portends.
LH
Has any Presidential Candidate polled so incredibly high and lost as Hillary ?
Ouch.
You're overstating your case. The polls predicted that Clinton would win the popular vote by 3.3 percent. She won by 2.1 percent. Though they incorrectly predicted the winner, they weren't wildly off. The point is that they shouldn't be dismissed altogether. They've been followed and taken seriously for decades for a reason.
Does this mean Trump is a goner? No. It's very early, and we don't have a Democratic nominee yet. However, when your support in a decisive voting bloc wanes to a significant degree, that is something to take seriously. And frankly, I don't understand your fear. If he takes the poll to heart and beefs up his support with white women, the worst thing that happens is that he wins the election by a bigger margin. How is that a bad thing?
I don't know a single woman who voted for Trump, but will not in this election. They both think he's doing a wonderful job. 
This is pretty funny.
NPR's Maria Hinojosa
Appearing on MSNBC's AM Joy, and during a discussion of the Democrat primary, Hinojosa said:
What does John Delaney offer? I’m sorry, I was with him last week, and this is a moment we have to have these conversations. I said, there is a critique that white guys just take up a lot of space."
Apparently the Dems don't need evil white people's votes.
NPR's Maria Hinojosa
Appearing on MSNBC's AM Joy, and during a discussion of the Democrat primary, Hinojosa said:
What does John Delaney offer? I’m sorry, I was with him last week, and this is a moment we have to have these conversations. I said, there is a critique that white guys just take up a lot of space."
Apparently the Dems don't need evil white people's votes.
Can anyone explain why Steve King's comments were worse than this?
Horn2RunAgain
2,500+ Posts
My wife as well. And she doesn't take it to the classroom, but has had to factually correct seventh and eighth graders on their inaccurate views (such as trump is a Russian agent. Asked for proof and got crickets)
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