2020 Presidential Election: let the jockeying commence

[Mr. Deez]

I think in his mind that team was a powder keg of amazing players with explosive personalities that he facilitated to continued greatness.

What a self-serving load of *********. Most of the players on that team didn't have explosive personalities. Michael Irvin, Deion, and Erik Williams liked partying and banging strippers, but even they were generally decent guys and solid teammates in the clubhouse. Aikman, Emmitt, Moose, Darren Woodson, Brock Marion, Chad Hennings, Tony Tolbert, Ken Norton, Bill Bates, Jim Jeffcoat, and Larry Allen were solid guys. The only really explosive personality was Charles Haley, who used to beat off in the locker room with his teammates present, and if you were sitting down, he might walk up from behind and hang his junk over your shoulder. I'll admit that's pretty messed up, but he was only one guy, and he was downright normal compared to Switzer.

 

[Horn6721]

Deez
I thought he was referring to the ou players before they got arrested

 

[OUBubba]

What a self-serving load of *********. Most of the players on that team didn't have explosive personalities. Michael Irvin, Deion, and Erik Williams liked partying and banging strippers, but even they were generally decent guys and solid teammates in the clubhouse. Aikman, Emmitt, Moose, Darren Woodson, Brock Marion, Chad Hennings, Tony Tolbert, Ken Norton, Bill Bates, Jim Jeffcoat, and Larry Allen were solid guys. The only really explosive personality was Charles Haley, who used to beat off in the locker room with his teammates present, and if you were sitting down, he might walk up from behind and hang his junk over your shoulder. I'll admit that's pretty messed up, but he was only one guy, and he was downright normal compared to Switzer.

A. You’re right. Explosive was a poor word choice. They had a core that were solid and a core that wanted to do more than play football.

b. I said that’s what he tells himself.

 

[Mr. Deez]

A. You’re right. Explosive was a poor word choice. They had a core that were solid and a core that wanted to do more than play football.

I think that's true of most NFL teams, NBA teams, and MLB teams (though to a much lesser extent). Most of the players are decent guys, but we're talking about guys in their 20s who often come from lower class backgrounds and suddenly have money. Though I don't condone it, I suspect that many of them are going to give into the temptation to cruise strip clubs and go into the back rooms where the really nasty skankin' happens. At least that's what I was told by a friend who went to a Houston club with $700 in cash that he didn't come home with. I can't imagine what one could pull off with more like $7,000 in cash like NFL players can routinely do.

However, I recall from that era that Barry and even Jerry were not only tolerant of that kind of conduct, they sometimes participated in it with the players. That kind of crap from older men who should have had better judgment hurt team discipline, and it showed on the field. They were terrible examples.

To be clear, I don't blame Barry for everything. I blame him for the team he inherited turning sloppy. However, his *** was gone after 4 years, and the long term problem for the Cowboys has obviously been Jones' meddling in football matters, undermining his coaches, and insisting on making personnel moves. After several years of that, I gave up on the Cowboys for good (or at least until Jones dies or sells the team) about eight years ago.

b. I said that’s what he tells himself.

To look at himself in the mirror, I'm sure Switzer tells himself a lot of things.

 

[bystander]

To be clear, I don't blame Barry for everything. I blame him for the team he inherited turning sloppy.

I lived in Dallas from 1982 - 1994. I saw the whole thing and it was shocking to see Landry fired and the JJ's taking over. To me, Switzer made a pact with the Devil; coach the team and be well paid while the Devil would be allowed to roam as the undisputed face and driving force of the team. I remember when they accepted the Super Bowl Trophy (a moment of mixed blessing to me as I was a huge fan back then but was on the road to rejecting all of it, and to see Jones with that smug satisfied look on his face was hard to take) Barry said, "You having a good time now Jerry?" That spoke volumes. Even with the incredible success under Jimmy Johnson, Jerry wasn't having a good time. How shallow and petty.

Switzer was a driven man at Oklahoma with enormous pride and an all-consuming will to win. I'm not sure why that would have changed but he did walk into a situation not knowing if the existing coaching staff had his back or not. I have no pity for him. I'm just describing the difficulty as I see it. He didn't have to take the job.

To me, Switzer was the first of the long line of coaches hired by Jerry who had the emotional temperament to allow Jerry to be Jerry. Until Parcells. Then it was back to lap dogs.

It's all on Jerry. As far as I'm concerned, his election to the Hall of Fame is one of the biggest travesty's in sports history. That along with the failure to put Jimmy Johnson in the Ring of Honor. Jerry Jones is a pathological liar and egomaniac. He is mentally ill but because he is high functioning with money, he is seen as an elite human being by those who cannot see past the standards of mankind.

 

[OUBubba]

Colorado, Oregon, and Nevada do mail in voting primarily I believe. There has been no widespread voter fraud there. Being against increasing voter turnout is anti democracy. That’s the new GOP mantra.

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

Colorado, Oregon, and Nevada do mail in voting primarily I believe. There has been no widespread voter fraud there. Being against increasing voter turnout is anti democracy. That’s the new GOP mantra.

Wrong. The GOP mantra is verified and legal voting is mandatory and there are too many ways to cheat. This has been covered in great detail already. If it leads to lower turnout because people are too lazy to register to vote and get a legal ballot or drive to the polls, then that's their problem. They sure don't mind getting out to spend their stimmy.

 

[Garmel]

Colorado, Oregon, and Nevada do mail in voting primarily I believe. There has been no widespread voter fraud there. Being against increasing voter turnout is anti democracy. That’s the new GOP mantra.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Colorado, Oregon, and Nevada do mail in voting primarily I believe. There has been no widespread voter fraud there. Being against increasing voter turnout is anti democracy. That’s the new GOP mantra.

You can't claim to care about democracy when you back people who want the unelected Supreme Court to decide almost every major social issue in the country.

 

[OUBubba]

You can't claim to care about democracy when you back people who want the unelected Supreme Court to decide almost every major social issue in the country.

Do you see the irony in the GOP staying a nomination and hugging up to the least of us to have ever held that office so that they can have the final say in all of the major social issues?

 

[iatrogenic]

Do you see the irony in the GOP staying a nomination and hugging up to the least of us to have ever held that office so that they can have the final say in all of the major social issues?

No, but I see the affirmation of what he said.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Do you see the irony in the GOP staying a nomination and hugging up to the least of us to have ever held that office so that they can have the final say in all of the major social issues?

But that's a false comparison. A conservative court doesn't decide most major social issues. It leaves them to the elected branches.

 

[EDT]

 

[Seattle Husker]

A follow-up to one of the few election fraud cases proven. This is the Republican that in PA that registered his dead mother and another deceased woman.

‘I Listened to Too Much Propaganda’: Trump Voter Gets Probation After Voting for His Dead Mother and Registering Another Dead Woman as a Republican in Pa.

Meanwhile, a black woman in Texas was sentenced to 5 years in prison for submitting a provisional ballot based on the advice of her parole officer. Her appeals have been rejected so far.

 

[SabreHorn]

If you are dead and planning to vote in Texas, it is best to not involve your family, but rather gather up several of the other residents in your cemetery, and all go down and vote together.

 

[OUBubba]

A follow-up to one of the few election fraud cases proven. This is the Republican that in PA that registered his dead mother and another deceased woman.

‘I Listened to Too Much Propaganda’: Trump Voter Gets Probation After Voting for His Dead Mother and Registering Another Dead Woman as a Republican in Pa.

Meanwhile, a black woman in Texas was sentenced to 5 years in prison for submitting a provisional ballot based on the advice of her parole officer. Her appeals have been rejected so far.

I'm interested to see where the circle falls on this Texas case. Sad deal. PROVISIONAL...

 

[mb227]

A follow-up to one of the few election fraud cases proven. This is the Republican that in PA that registered his dead mother and another deceased woman.

‘I Listened to Too Much Propaganda’: Trump Voter Gets Probation After Voting for His Dead Mother and Registering Another Dead Woman as a Republican in Pa.

Meanwhile, a black woman in Texas was sentenced to 5 years in prison for submitting a provisional ballot based on the advice of her parole officer. Her appeals have been rejected so far.

Mason DESERVED to have her appeals rejected. She SIGNED a document attesting that she had read the entire document which, among other things, affirmed that she was not a felon who was ineligible to vote. Commit stupid fraud and win stupid prizes.

She was still on supervision at the time and KNEW she could not vote. Despite knowing this, she still turned down an offer of probation. She is fortunate to have ONLY gotten five years given her status as a frequent felon.

For those that want to know the REAL history, then read the appellate Opinion and NOT a wiki entry.
https://search.txcourts.gov/SearchM...&MediaID=374a3913-dae5-4de3-8707-4bc04cf794c7

 

[Seattle Husker]

Mason DESERVED to have her appeals rejected. She SIGNED a document attesting that she had read the entire document which, among other things, affirmed that she was not a felon who was ineligible to vote. Commit stupid fraud and win stupid prizes.

She was still on supervision at the time and KNEW she could not vote. Despite knowing this, she still turned down an offer of probation. She is fortunate to have ONLY gotten five years given her status as a frequent felon.

For those that want to know the REAL history, then read the appellate Opinion and NOT a wiki entry.
https://search.txcourts.gov/SearchM...&MediaID=374a3913-dae5-4de3-8707-4bc04cf794c7

Legally, Mason was guilty. Rationally, it's crazy that someone who clearly and ignorantly files a provisional vote after exiting prison would be sentenced to the maximum 5yrs in prison. I'm not even advocating that some punishment isn't deserved but 5yrs in prison? That's barbaric compared to any state as shown over and over again in cases in PA, KS, MO and any number of states. Clearly TX has stacked the deck against anyone convicted of breaking the law, including their parole hearings. I read the first 30 pages of the appeal and in no way did they establish an "intent" to commit fraud, only that the writing at the top of the ballot says she'd commit fraud if she was on probation. Yes, I know that intent doesn't matter only that Mason committed voter fraud, a single case in which she tried vote. The application of the law in her case was ludicrous, bordering on uncivil.

 

[mb227]

Legally, Mason was guilty. Rationally, it's crazy that someone who clearly and ignorantly files a provisional vote after exiting prison would be sentenced to the maximum 5yrs in prison. I'm not even advocating that some punishment isn't deserved but 5yrs in prison? That's barbaric compared to any state as shown over and over again in cases in PA, KS, MO and any number of states. Clearly TX has stacked the deck against anyone convicted of breaking the law, including their parole hearings. I read the first 30 pages of the appeal and in no way did they establish an "intent" to commit fraud, only that the writing at the top of the ballot says she'd commit fraud if she was on probation. Yes, I know that intent doesn't matter only that Mason committed voter fraud, a single case in which she tried vote. The application of the law in her case was ludicrous, bordering on uncivil.

She KNEW what she was signing. You apparently overlooked the fact that she was observed using her finger to go line by line. Fraudsters KNOW what they are doing...and she was previously convicted of *checks notes* fraud against the government.

What I would LOVE to see, just for the implosions of libtile minds, is for the CCA to announce that it was indeed an inchoate offense and should have been punished at the 3rd degree level, which...checking notes again...five years falls squarely within. Mandate issues, go into custody, go to TDCJ and then very likely back to federal prison for having violated *checks notes again* the terms of the federal supervised release.

 

[bystander]

She KNEW what she was signing.

That's the money point. The "nuance" arguments around someone who knew their status and lied anyway don't hold water with me. She lied. It's that simple. The other arguments get into the realm of reading minds. You can't do it. She lied and that's it.

As for five years, yes, that does shock the conscience.

 

[huisache]

In a democracy the sheep get to vote on which wolf gets to eat them.

 

[mb227]

That's the money point. The "nuance" arguments around someone who knew their status and lied anyway don't hold water with me. She lied. It's that simple. The other arguments get into the realm of reading minds. You can't do it. She lied and that's it.

As for five years, yes, that does shock the conscience.

*meh* It is a second degree felony and arguably enhanceable due to the federal conviction which occurred previously. She still got the low end of the 2nd degree penalty range. She ALSO chose to reject an offer that would have resulted in probation...

 

[mchammer]

The difference this year is the large UNSOLICITED ballots that have come in. It’s possible that one person voted 5 times with ballots mailed to his home address.

Bump

 

[mchammer]

Just note that 200 people submitting 100 fraudulent ballots is 20,000, which is the difference in WI and 2x the difference in GA and NV.

Bump

 

[OUBubba]

Bump

Election rooms are made up of a bipartisan mix. If an envelope came in with multiple ballots alarms would go off. At least in my little county they would. Those old people take their bipartisanship serious, mostly. My mom did change her registration To Republican on Election Day when a Republican poll worker got sick during the election.

 

[Horn6721]

Yes watchers are in election rooms Until told counting is over for the night
Or ordered to leave.
How many states had this happen? In how many states did vote counting go on after the watchers were gone?

 

[mchammer]

 

[mchammer]

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

Colorado, Oregon, and Nevada do mail in voting primarily I believe. There has been no widespread voter fraud there. Being against increasing voter turnout is anti democracy. That’s the new GOP mantra.

Democrats and MSM always like to couch the rebuttal with "widespread". Let's examine that for a minute. What exactly constitutes "widespread" to you? 1%, 2%, or must it be more. There are places and races where 50 ballots make the difference in the outcome. I'm not one who believes the presidential election would have yielded a Trump win but I certainly believe lower level and off-year elections can be tainted by fraudulent votes. And the bigger issue may not even be actual "fraudulent" mail in votes but rather highly coached voting to the point of steering that can and does happen in ballot harvesting situations. You say democracy is so important that we have to do everything to make sure that it is easy to vote. I say that democracy is so important that people can take 3 simple steps to securely exercise that right. 1. Have a valid ID. 2. Register to vote 3. find 2 hours (before the last minute) to go vote every 2 years.

 

[horninchicago]

Democrats and MSM always like to couch the rebuttal with "widespread". Let's examine that for a minute. What exactly constitutes "widespread" to you? 1%, 2%, or must it be more. There are places and races where 50 ballots make the difference in the outcome. I'm not one who believes the presidential election would have yielded a Trump win but I certainly believe lower level and off-year elections can be tainted by fraudulent votes. And the bigger issue may not even be actual "fraudulent" mail in votes but rather highly coached voting to the point of steering that can and does happen in ballot harvesting situations. You say democracy is so important that we have to do everything to make sure that it is easy to vote. I say that democracy is so important that people can take 3 simple steps to securely exercise that right. 1. Have a valid ID. 2. Register to vote 3. find 2 hours (before the last minute) to go vote every 2 years.

Let's use covid as an example. People in hospitals for non-covid reasons but who test positive= widespread covid. People who are otherwise healthy and get the jab and go to the hospital due to complications of the jab= not widespread.