2020 Presidential Election: let the jockeying commence

huisache said:
No, Joe, I gave up on that long ago when I listened to myself and realized I was striving to be a true believer in something. ...
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(1) For the sack of clarity, do you mean you gave up on the idea you were reasonable, or that you gave up on the idea that there was anyone else out there who was also reasonable and who could talk to you on your level?
(2) What were you are "true believer" in?
 
Joe Fan said:
Here are a handful of my favorite examples, all sworn to under oath --
Jessy Jacob of Detroit stated in an affidavit she personally witnessed fraud and saw some workers instructed to backdate thousands of absentee ballots. This happened the day after the election, where workers were instructed to make the ballots appear legal even though they were not in the Qualified Voter File and had not arrived by the deadline as outlined in Michigan law. This is evidence. See Gofile
Robert Cushman was a poll watcher in Detroit. His affidavit described behavior almost identical to that which the city worker Jacob said she engaged in. This is evidence.
See Gofile
Zachary Larsen is a lawyer who worked for the state of Michigan as an assistant AG. He swore in his affidavit he witnessed poll workers peeking at ballots to see who a voter voted for before deciding whether to put them in a pile of rejected ballots. This is evidence.
See Gofile
Shane Trejo was a poll monitor in Detroit. He will testify in court as to the statistical anomalies. This is evidence.
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This is how trials work. The burden is on the plaintiff to build a case. It's a process. It's doesnt happen with one witness but it happens witness after witness after witness. And the introduction of tangible evidence after tangible evidence. I think on this forum we have some people giving opinions about how trials work who dont actually have much, if any, trial experience. Anyway, on the issue of voter fraud in 2020, we have plenty of witnesses already going on the record, with sworn testimony, with affidavits, who claim they were eyewitnesses to fraud.

So the folks claiming there is no evidence are wrong and you can safely ignore them. I dont know if they are relying upon CNN or tweets from liberals only, or maybe they have never actually been in trial in their entire lives. But, here, they are not paying attention. It's probably that they are just not willing to put in the time to actually look at what is already in the public sphere.

None of this means Team Trump will win its cases. All it means is that those people saying there is "no evidence" do not know what they are talking about.
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Some more witnesses -- there are literally 100s of these people who have made declarations under oath. If you dont already know, in most states, a perjury conviction can get you 5 years


Here Michigan voter Barry Doherty describes seeing networked voting machines
 
Here, Michigan poll challenger Articia Bomer describes Dems counting "spoiled ballots for Biden" and the "tampering with machines at Cobo"

 
Joe Fan said:
Is that how you see yourself, as a "reasonable talker?"
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I'd say he's hornfans version of the sport radio guy Jim Traber (oklahoma version). He's been on the radio in OKC since 1992ish. Sooners hate Traber because he's a former OSU Cowboy quarterback and baseball player. He's also kind of a douchecanoe (love that term). Cowboy (Aggies, not Aggy) fans hate him because they see him as disloyal because he doesn't buy/sell whatever is being cooked up in Stillwater as the gospel. The truth is, while he is a douchecanoe, he's not a bad sports radio guy who calls it how he sees it pissing off both sides at some point in the process.
 
I'd like to ask Mattis which country America and Americans should put first
That is the most asinine statement by the DMC yet.
I am sure he got advice from Obama on that.
 
You might see some people on TV (or in here) claiming Dominion Voting machines cannot be hacked or made to change votes. For example, I saw Michael Steel say it was "impossible to alter or change votes" on Dominion equipment. It's not true.
Here is former Dominion employee Eric Coomer showing you how easy it is to change votes on Dominion machines. It's a built-in feature. Coomer is an open Antifa member. It was in one of his Antifa chats that he wrote he made sure Trump would not win the election.

They are scrubbing Coomer right now, not just from his connection to Dominion but from all over the internet, so if you want to see him, better hurry
 
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Horn6721 said:
I'd like to ask Mattis which country America and Americans should put first
That is the most asinine statement by the DMC yet.
I am sure he got advice from Obama on that.
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They are making the definition of who is a "globalist" pretty easy

But I can tell you from personal experience that "globalism" is not what you are swearing allegiance to in the federal oath of office
 
OUBubba said:
I'd say he's hornfans version of the sport radio guy Jim Traber (oklahoma version). He's been on the radio in OKC since 1992ish. Sooners hate Traber because he's a former OSU Cowboy quarterback and baseball player. He's also kind of a douchecanoe (love that term). Cowboy (Aggies, not Aggy) fans hate him because they see him as disloyal because he doesn't buy/sell whatever is being cooked up in Stillwater as the gospel. The truth is, while he is a douchecanoe, he's not a bad sports radio guy who calls it how he sees it pissing off both sides at some point in the process.
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Did you really mean to call your posting brother a douchecanoe? Because that's what you just did
 
OUBubba said:
I'd say he's hornfans version of the sport radio guy Jim Traber (oklahoma version). He's been on the radio in OKC since 1992ish. Sooners hate Traber because he's a former OSU Cowboy quarterback and baseball player. He's also kind of a douchecanoe (love that term). Cowboy (Aggies, not Aggy) fans hate him because they see him as disloyal because he doesn't buy/sell whatever is being cooked up in Stillwater as the gospel. The truth is, while he is a douchecanoe, he's not a bad sports radio guy who calls it how he sees it pissing off both sides at some point in the process.
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BTW, I did a full site search for the term "douchecanoe" (it is a great word) and it appears poster HIC gets credit for its first usage herein.
Congrats to him! I would hand you a celebratory cigar if you were within arm's reach


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Joe Fan said:
Here, Michigan voter Patrick Colbeck describes the fraud he saw in Detroit

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That dude spoke at the Michigan Board of State Canvassers. He's a State Senator. One of the members asked if he'd reported what he saw to the State AG for investigation. "No, only the campaign, but I'd be happy to report it to anyone." Well...why hasn't he reported it? If these stories are sooo convincing report them to the AG who has responsibility for investigating. Or put them in a court case for a judge to hear. The affidavits so far sounded kosher but didn't hold up to scrutiny when the defendants were able to respond, according to 4 judges so far for the Michigan case where they submitted what JoeFan thought were the most convincing affidavits.
 
Horn6721 said:
I'd like to ask Mattis which country America and Americans should put first
That is the most asinine statement by the DMC yet.
I am sure he got advice from Obama on that.
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Nah, he's saying America needs partners on this planet. Until Trump, that was literally a mainstay of our Foreign Policy for a century.
 
@Joe Fan, the problem with all those videos you posted is that they are not anonymous whistleblowers being protected by Adam Schiff. They can't be credible when they are willing to come forward and face likely backlash from the domestic terror groups in this country.
 
I am tired of videos and press conferences with stuff like this. Because it doesn't change anything. All it does is rile people up.

Trump missed his chance to do anything in MI, true? The certified yesterday.
 
Monahorns said:
I am tired of videos and press conferences with stuff like this. Because it doesn't change anything. All it does is rile people up.

Trump missed his chance to do anything in MI, true? The certified yesterday.
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That's the intention. We'll now the endure the next 4 years of unvetted claims that have convinced a segment of our populace that the election was stolen. In the situations where these affidavits, or ones like them have been taken to court they've lost soundly. The only case that has been won was overturned by an admittedly partisan PA Supreme Court. The case? The observers wanted to stand closer to the counting.

We've never had a perfect election, fraud should be charged if uncovered. Accusations should be taken to court and to the proper investigation authorities. Absent that...it's pure propaganda. Election officials make peanuts and are supported by a largely volunteer workforce. They don't deserve the accusations that have been hurled at them from both the left and right.
 
Seattle Husker said:
At what point will Trump's attempts to delay the Biden transition actually start to matter to his supporters? I didn't think it was a big deal until this week. Starting the FBI background check process to get the Cabinet confirmed quickly after inauguration is key. It also makes sense that the Biden Administration needs to be able to review the details of the vaccination logistics and influence it considering that may make or break his first 100 days.
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It matters to me. Looks like they are beginning to cooperate.
 
huisache said:
No, Joe, I gave up on that long ago when I listened to myself and realized I was striving to be a true believer in something. Now I just step back and ridicule those who believe and strive and end up having saviors like Obama or Trump. So sad
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The only belief I had in Trump was that he was not only NOT a Liberal, but he was strong enough to stand up them. He was not intimidated and he treated them as they deserved; with contempt and with forceful rhetoric to point out the dangers of their extreme agenda. And it is extreme.

Trump, for better or worse, was the leader (much more than a figurehead) of anti-Liberalism. I agree with anti-Liberalism and I'm a Democrat.

Now we have Biden and the Left now wants their tribute and it's BAD for our country.
 
Seattle Husker said:
That dude spoke at the Michigan Board of State Canvassers. He's a State Senator. One of the members asked if he'd reported what he saw to the State AG for investigation. "No, only the campaign, but I'd be happy to report it to anyone." Well...why hasn't he reported it? If these stories are sooo convincing report them to the AG who has responsibility for investigating. Or put them in a court case for a judge to hear. The affidavits so far sounded kosher but didn't hold up to scrutiny when the defendants were able to respond, according to 4 judges so far for the Michigan case where they submitted what JoeFan thought were the most convincing affidavits.
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Dana Nessel is the Michigan AG. Is an affidavit legally liable if not actually submitted to a court or LEO?
 
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