2020 Presidential Election: let the jockeying commence

[Monahorns]

I think y'all are talking about the symptoms not the cause. Universities have more money to spend on infrastructure and non-teaching administrations because they have more money. Not the other way around. Those things don't generate money they consume it.

I think Statalyzer is correct that college degrees increase a potential employee's attractiveness. That increased demand. That leads to higher cost.

But the other side of the that is that the government also made it easier to get loans, even for more money than the degrees would economically justify. This facilitated many more people going to college who would either not go or go to cheaper schools or work and school part time. That increased the $s into universities even further.

At the same time the government controls licensing and entrance of new universities into the market. Supply is restricted which means increasing prices don't do what they do in a free market which is signal others to enter into the higher education market which would stabilize the price.

 

[Seattle Husker]

I think y'all are talking about the symptoms not the cause. Universities have more money to spend on infrastructure and non-teaching administrations because they have more money. Not the other way around. Those things don't generate money they consume it.

More of a focus on supply side economics, completely ignoring the demand curve. That's A perspective. I appreciate the consistency even though I believe the world isn't that black/white.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

If people in public education pimped trade school (and skilled trades in general) half as hard as they pimp a college education, we'd have more tradesmen and not so much demand for women's studies (among other completely useless) courses.

The demand side is being artificially inflated by the completely unrealistic expectation that high schools are supposed to prep all children for college, coupled with the almost completely lost message that craftsmen and skilled labor can equate to a very comfortable living, can be entered immediately after high school (and apprenticeships can be had during high school in some cases), and those people begin earning wages at 18 or 19 with little to no college debt burden to have to service with those wages.

 

[Monahorns]

More of a focus on supply side economics, completely ignoring the demand curve. That's A perspective. I appreciate the consistency even though I believe the world isn't that black/white.

I actually talked about the demand and supply side both. Demand has been increased through government and supply has been held down by government. Plus demand has gone up due to the value (perceived and real) of a college degree.

 

[theiioftx]

Given these two debates, I think we have 8 years of Trump. Damn the Democrats are good at screwing up elections.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Given these two debates, I think we have 8 years of Trump. Damn the Democrats are good at screwing up elections.

The dumbocrat candidates just have no clue which group to pander to or how to properly do it. These idiots think if they pander to the most freakish subsets of voters, to the greatest outliers from normalcy, it makes them look most compassionate. Only the tiny number of freaks and guilt plagued liberal fools fall for that crapola.

 

[theiioftx]

Bold ideas last night included:

$1,000 cash per citizen per month no questions asked
Free healthcare for illegal immigrants
Decriminalize illegal crossings
Free college
Eliminate all college debt
Re-sign the Iranian deal
Elimination of employer private insurance option / Medicare for all
And finally, full throated support of the New Green Deal

Count Biden and Bernie out unless the DNC brings back Debbie to “run” the primary. They both looked like bumbling old white men and Kamala painted Biden as a racist.

Trump 2020 is a done deal.

 

[Clean]

The Democrats couldn't have a better platform. No moderator is challenging them. No hardball questions.

They let Warren skate by without one reference to her having used a dubious claim of being native American to get a prestigious position at Harvard. Imagine how they'd have come after Trump for doing that.

Trump can't get a few billion to build the wall, they've got no chance of getting trillions for giveaway programs. But, the old chicken-in-every-pot thing is a timeless classic that has worked over and over again. We'll see how dumb the American voters really are.

 

[nashhorn]

I for one am anxious to see Trumps response when K Harris brings up the subject of 'moral character'.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I for one am anxious to see Trumps response when K Harris brings up the subject of 'moral character'.

He'll bring up Willie Brown.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

He'll bring up Willie Brown

Yeah, well, so did she. Isn't that how old Cameltoe got into politics in the first place?

 

[LongestHorn]

I believe that was his point.

 

[horninchicago]

He'll bring up Willie Brown.

Yeah, well, so did she. Isn't that how old Cameltoe got into politics in the first place?

I believe that was his point.

Hmmm. I think Sangre means bringing up a certain part of Willie Brown, not bringing up the topic of Willie Brown. Just spitballing here.

 

[Joe Fan]

What are the chances a debate moderator asks some form of this question?

 

[Joe Fan]

....
And finally, full throated support of the New Green Deal....

Beto said he would "put farmers in the drivers seat" on climate change.

What he did not say was what they would be driving

 

[2003TexasGrad]

What are the chances a debate moderator asks some form of this question?

And we have a winner. A few bad apples shouldnt reflect on everyone coming into the US, right?

And re: Kamala, why doesnt she call herself Indian American? Shes just as Indian as she is Black. What's wrong with calling herself Indian?

 

[Horn6721]

Same reason BO chose to focus on his African father.

 

[Joe Fan]

Biden slipped 10 points after first debate
Battered Biden drops 10 points after first debate


Is it time to shake up this race?
(Is it still OK to even say "race?")

 

[theiioftx]

Biden would likely beat Trump head to head. However, he will not make it out of the primary. He is already done. Kamala painted him equivalent to the KKK. No right minded idiot on the left could vote for him. Turn out the lights Joe, the party is over.

 

[theiioftx]

Husker would be a moderate if he was running. Now Longest fits right in with this bunch of idiots.

 

[HornHuskerDad]

$1,000 cash per citizen per month no questions asked

I'm still waiting for the $1,000 George McGovern promised in 1972. No telling what that would be when adjusted for 47 years of inflation.

 

[4th_floor]

Beto said he would "put farmers in the drivers seat" on climate change.

What he did not say was what they would be driving

A mule.

 

[4th_floor]

Husker would be a moderate if he was running. Now Longest fits right in with this bunch of idiots.

How do you know Husker is not running? Have you looked at all 837 candidates?

 

[theiioftx]

Good point. Hickenlooper?

 

[2003TexasGrad]

Biden would likely beat Trump head to head. However, he will not make it out of the primary. He is already done. Kamala painted him equivalent to the KKK. No right minded idiot on the left could vote for him. Turn out the lights Joe, the party is over.

And what does that say for Obama, who evidently didn't vet Biden and never knew he was a, gasp, anti-busser!

Its amazing how no one cares about anything until its politically expedient. I wonder how many Black people Kamala prosecuted in her career?

And shes half Indian btw. Shes bi-racial, not Black.

 

[2003TexasGrad]

A mule.

But dont mules fart?

 

[UTChE96]

Biden would likely beat Trump head to head. However, he will not make it out of the primary. He is already done. Kamala painted him equivalent to the KKK. No right minded idiot on the left could vote for him. Turn out the lights Joe, the party is over.

I would love to see Kamala get the nomination. She is more unlikeable than Hillary if that is possible and off the charts, crazy liberal.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

But dont mules fart?

Apparently they do, but according to my wife, not nearly as much nor as loudly as I.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I would love to see Kamala get the nomination. She is more unlikeable than Hillary if that is possible and off the charts, crazy liberal.

Prepare to be called a "misogynist" or a "sexist" if you point out her unlikeability.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Prepare to be called a "misogynist" or a "sexist" if you point out her unlikeability.

The terms racist, sexist, homophobic, bigot, etc. get thrown around so often and so casually that they have pretty much lost all effectiveness. For instance, yesterday when Longest stated that all conservatives are racist and thus hate the 14th amendment, my reaction to that was a bored little eye roll. I know a couple of other posters took offense, but for me, that kind of thing is no more meaningful than elementary school playground name-calling. He may as well have said all conservatives are stupid heads.

It did nothing but illustrate the weakness of his argument.