That's your opinion. Just like it's your opinion that the Dems are on the up and up and all is legit with the counting going on that is netting votes for Dementia.
2020 Presidential Election: let the jockeying commence
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Seattle Husker
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I try to shape my opinions based on evidence. At this point, there is none regarding election chicanery. If actual evidence is shown then I'll reevaluate my stance. You have stated you don't need evidence. Different strokes for different folks.
The problem is that its entirely too polarized. You're quick to dismiss these claims without evidence its not happening. After the last 4 years I have little faith in what the media is telling us.
Why don't you just shut up?
Of course, liberals just label him as a crackpot, but he's right.
Joe Fan
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The local sheriff is not enforcing the order
Rs still not be allowed to watch the count
With all the overwhelming evidence that all the Russia collusion stuff was a hoax, have you reevaluated your stance there?
Since we are being nice, you are full of the stuff that comes out your backside.
BTW: the reason Trump is now expected to lose Pennsylvania is that estimated vote-by-mail totals have risen sharply since Election Day.
The estimate then was 2.5 million ballots. Two days later, it's almost 2.9 million.
That's the difference between a Trump and a Biden win.
— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) November 5, 2020
400,000 were added, folks.
The estimate then was 2.5 million ballots. Two days later, it's almost 2.9 million.
That's the difference between a Trump and a Biden win.
— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) November 5, 2020
400,000 were added, folks.
Given that the Democrats were once the party of the MOB, and have always been the party of those who think they are above the law. I need real strong evidence they are not cheating.
Seattle Husker
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Guilty as charged. I do ask for evidence before believing wild claims. Just my perspective, Trump's most dangerous legacy is that he's convinced his supporters not to believe their eyes and ears but rather to leap based on emotions, specifically ones driven by their hate of the opponent.
I don't hate conservatives. Heck, I grew up in rural Nebraska and most of my family still live there. My hackles get raised when obvious disinformation is pushed as fact. This is likely the root of my challenge in accepting much of JoeFan's posts.
Yep....These guys who say they are all fact based, evidenced based "thinkers" are some of the most subjectively biased people walking the planet. What they mean is they will absolutely not even consider another view and will presume no evidence exists in opposition to their own, preconceived and strongly held determination....not to be confused with our own suppositions...which we seek to prove or disprove based on truth.
These^^^^^people types makeup a good portion of our modern day scientific community. It isnt form a theory based on observation and objectively seek proof or evidence against or an alternate explanation. Rather, it is form a desired conclusion. Seek only evidence supporting said conclusion, highlight anything to the contrary you can readily disprove to bolster your view, and ignore anything to the contrary that you cannot disprove.
The truth is, at least for myself and all those I associate with......we simply want the truth. That is all.
One side wants truth, justice, and some semblance of righteousness....The other only wants what they want and seeks to create their own truth.
I've said it over and over...
You cannot trust people who are moral relativist, ends justify the means, and reject absolute truth (or at least if it isnt "their truth").
Some think old Bill's freudian slip..."It depends on what the meaning of the word is is" was insignificant.
I say it is quite significant, and telling, and perfectly sums up these people and how they "think".
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I stated from the beginning that I didn't believe Trump colluded with Russia but rather used their propaganda campaign and hacking as wind at his sails. There was an openness to collude as the Trump Tower indicated but I accepted the Mueller investigation findings that there was a lot of smoke but not enough evidence of a fire for any criminal charges.
Disinformation. Talking out your backside here.
Two Presidents? I kinda like that. Kamala for Cali and New York. Trump for the rest of us.
Seattle Husker
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You do see your own projections in this passage, right? This is why I always say more people on West Mall need a mirror.
Reminds me of The Godfather. Who really believes Biden will run things? As much as the Tataglia family orchestrating things in the Godfather.
Clean
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Trump needs to locate and nuke the Dems hidden, underground bunker where they generate mail-in ballots for any state they need to, mark them straight democratic, slip them into back dated envelopes, and ship them to vote counting centers around the country.
This is just conjecture, not hard facts the likes of CNN/MSNBC/Huff Post, Adam Schiff would come up with. Come, now...
SH....there are more facts and evidence for cheating out there right now than you can shake a stick at. If you don't see it then you don't want to see it. Blow it all off as made up, conspiracy theory misinformation if you will....but that seems like a position that defies sound reason and logic in light of all that has been reported...and makes you appear very close-minded on this. There is certainly misinformation out there...and people like me will readily acknowledge that....But there are plenty of reasonable and verifiable claims from trustworthy sources that go beyond mere social media banter and rumor.
Some people are much more prone to subjective bias, confirmation bias, etc than others. Many do not want truth, nor seek it. Some actually do. so they earnestly seek...and are more successful at finding. I find most people, unfortunately, hide behind the "I'm a truth seeker" mantra, but inside only want what they want.
I gave up my ways long long ago. My life changed dramatically from that day forward. Making that single decision is one of the most important things a man will ever do...and most never do it. I decided I know longer wanted my truth but the truth. Can I be wrong? Yes. But I am always honestly and sincerely seeking only the truth...and nothing else.
After all...only the truth brings true hope, light, life, and only the truth will set us truly free from whatever binds.
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Seattle Husker
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I don't think anyone did, no.
Seattle Husker
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I'm sorry, should I be using different definitions of "facts and evidence" of cheating? @RainH2burntO yesterday was literally asking for examples of cheating to support his theories then today he claims a high road that he's unbiased and the opposite side was searching for evidence just to support their bias? That's a textbook definition of projecting onto others the qualities that one demonstrates.
Notice I haven't attacked every post that JoeFan puts out there because some of it is accurate. It's when people post demonstrably inaccurate or make wild unsupported claims we should all expect to be corrected, me included. My understanding of the West Mall physical space is that it was established as an exchange of ideas, one where ideas can be challenged if not supported. If your goal is to find a pipeline of misinformation and unsupported opinions being relayed as "facts and evidence" then we may have different definitions of the purpose of this forum.
Seattle Husker
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It gets dropped off in person at a polling station rather than mailed. At least, that's what has been reported in Nevada.
I think you've got it backwards here, SH.
It is liberals who don't believe in the meaning of our words nor anything else. I both know and believe.
Don't take this the wrong way, but I have one rule for this forum and that is I don't spoon feed anyone...not enough time in the day. We're all grown ups here and the information is there if you care to find it for yourself...which you dont, so.....
You know that old country song, SH?? "You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything..."
I guess you think it applies to me and I think it applies to you. Lol
So in Pennsylvania, it appears someone could literally vote all the way to the end of the day today. Not mail it by the 3rd, but walk it up.
The fact that you don't seem to view your demeaning post to @RainH2burntO as condescending says a lot about you. And, I mean that in a condescending way. Unlike you, I will admit it.
I disagree with your claim that I did that ...at least in the manner you are supposing. If it appears that way then you misunderstood my intent or I wasnt clear.
Not sure what you are referring to, but if I asked a question of anyone as though they may have any information on something that was being circulated...if indeed that was the case....it was and is purely for informational purposes for the sake of either substantiating or lowering my level of interest or suspicion about something. I presume nothing other than something may be true, is either likely or unlikely, and it is worth hearing more about until proof is achieved. I believe there is very sufficient reason to seek more information on much of what is out there but there is a great deal I see through and outright reject, as well.
Again...you've got the wrong group here. It is a lib that wouldn't even care to ask....they'd just run with "it".
Not that there arent plenty of Rs that do that (and it drives me crazy) even on HF....but you've got the wrong guy here.
...So keep my name out yo mouth!
I'll add one thing...
I couldn't disagree more about your projecting comment. It seems to be something you yourself have mastered, so perhaps your glasses are tinted?
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