2020 Presidential Election: let the jockeying commence

[Monahorns]

Angela Davis should be in prison.

 

[horninchicago]

lol - a Biden staffer interrupted a local Phoenix anchor live on the air with Ole Joe to end the interview early before Biden could resume gaffe-a-palooza



Earlier he noted that Arizona is an important city

I would react with "WTF", but it's just a routine occurrence with him now.

 

[bystander]

I believe in a balance of power. There is not one political philosophy that should be in complete power. There is room for all voices. Not racists or haters, but instead philosophical voices that present care for the individual and care for the union. And they should be informed both by intellectual discourse powered by REALISM along with the emotional response to the human condition, for it is not wrong that we collectively improve our lot in life. But to demonize one another is a quest for total power without checks and balances. You may detest someone because of their manner, but their voice will create the inertia needed to bend the will of intransigence. Because intransigence is not about the general welfare of the people; it is about the narrow emotional needs of one's personal situation. It is to elevate yourself above all other concerns. That is not a union. That is anarchy, hatred and war.

Give consideration a chance.

Give compromise a chance.

Give the union a chance.

And if a political candidate is only about the holiness of their cause then their zealotry is what we must fear, even if their core mission is laudable. And when I see nothing but power hungry mania, it makes me want to vote for the other side because the other side is the only braking mechanism that exists.

 

[Phil Elliott]

I think we all agree that Biden will do whatever he has to in order to duck the debates, but how is he going to hold up when Trump is out there campaigning and he (Biden) is holed up in his basement? This sounds like it will play out just like last time where Hillary ignored many states she thought she had locked up, and they went to Trump.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

I think we all agree that Biden will do whatever he has to in order to duck the debates,

I think Biden isn't even close to being in charge of what he will be doing. He is far too demented to manage his own schedule. I agree Biden's handlers will do everything they can to avoid debates and live appearances, lest the dementia becomes more and more apparent to more and more people.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Biden won't debate and won't campaign, but Trump needs to get with it. He needs to campaign in earnest.

 

[Garmel]

 

[mchammer]

I’m taking a twitter hiatus until Labor Day and the stretch run of the election. Plus the politics regarding COVID is such BS right now. By mid-August the cases will be firmly trending down and hopefully campaigning starts again.

 

[Musburger1]

How will the election be framed? Usually, the pivotal issue is the economy. Or sometimes war (Vietnam for example). It might be healthcare. In a prosperous economy, issues like right to life or social security benefits might be the deciding factor. I think this election could be very different.

With mounting problems ranging from Covid-19 to massive unemployment, and defaults, one would think economics might be the main issue. But Portland, Oregon provides a template for something else. What is the appropriate response to civil unrest, and how will each Party frame the issue?

Assuming the unrest and violence seen in Portland and other cities expand, Trump has vowed to put down such rebellions in order to maintain order and protect citizens and private property. His opponent, will paint such a response as an authoritarian violation of the Constitution, an illegal use of martial law, and so forth. The majority of the media will follow suit.

So while the other important questions remain (Covid-19, what to do with the drowning economy, bankruptcies, defaults, astronomical deficits, China) the voters will focus on one issue. For those choosing Trump, they will see safety vs anarchy. For those choosing Biden, its authoritarianism (Trump) vs the oppressed masses. Or at least some variation of these themes. No matter who wins, I don't think this issue gets resolved, and certainly none of the sublimated issues (Covid, the economy, China, etc.) will.

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Monahorns]

But Trump's behind in the polls!

 

[Garmel]

We have democrats and media attacking the arresting of left-wing domestic terrorists. Crazy times.

 

[OUBubba]

Biden won't debate and won't campaign, but Trump needs to get with it. He needs to campaign in earnest.

Biden's best play,

...given Trump is being Trump:

 

[Phil Elliott]

But Trump's behind in the polls!

Has anyone on here ever seen a poll that over-sampled Republicans? I know I sure have not.

 

[OUBubba]

Has anyone on here ever seen a poll that over-sampled Republicans? I know I sure have not.

The margins are so slim regardless. His base is his base. They're with him even if he hails white nationalists or shoots kids while getting hummers from porn stars. Likewise, he could cure cancer and COVID and there are some out there who would refuse to vote for him [raises hand]. I mean he lost the last election by 3,000,000 but 77,000 votes in 3 states was the difference. That likely came down to key counties. The swing is not going to be far and wide. He's got what David Duke had, a pretty big group that doesn't want to admit they'll vote for him. So, polling is going to be off. Polling for Duke was only valid when they correlated it with some other questions and went off of that.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Has anyone on here ever seen a poll that over-sampled Republicans? I know I sure have not.

I believe Rasmussen did back in 2012, but that's the only example I can think of.

 

[mchammer]

I believe Rasmussen did back in 2012, but that's the only example I can think of.

And he admitted to doing it in hopes of spurring Republican voters to go to the polls. It was an aspirational poll, if you will. Recall Obama successfully negatively campaigned against Romney that hurt him with what we would call today Trump voters.

 

[mchammer]

I believe Rasmussen did back in 2012, but that's the only example I can think of.

Nate Silver says Trump can lose by 4% points nationally and still win electoral college.

 

[OUBubba]

Nate Silver says Trump can lose by 4% points nationally and still win electoral college.

I'd be OK with that if the Senate wasn't biased in the same direction. 2/3 of the power structure in the country is biased toward small states.

 

[HornHuskerDad]

2/3 of the power structure in the country is biased toward small states.

A good thing - otherwise CA & NY would decide the outcome with their radical far-left votes. Remember, the USA is not a democracy, it's a republic. It's the United States of America - and the states have some power.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

A good thing - otherwise CA & NY would decide the outcome with their radical far-left votes. Remember, the USA is not a democracy, it's a republic. It's the United States of America - and the states have some power.

A hefty portion of which they gave away by allowing the direct election of Senators, turning both bodies of Congress into a popularity contest.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Nate Silver says Trump can lose by 4% points nationally and still win electoral college.

He could probably win the electoral college and lose the popular vote by even more than that.

 

[mchammer]

He could probably win the electoral college and lose the popular vote by even more than that.

Formula is easy: FL+NC+OH+IA+ (MI or PA or WI or MN or CO or NV+NH). Plus he needs to hold GA and AZ.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I'd be OK with that if the Senate wasn't biased in the same direction. 2/3 of the power structure in the country is biased toward small states.

Yeah, weren't guys like James Madison stupid for doing that? If only they had been as enlightened as the modern woke.

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Joe Fan]

Managing to pull in 19
Better than yesterday

 

[huisache]

I finally find myself in agreement with all of you: they are both horror shows. Now show some balls and don't vote for either

 

[HornHuskerDad]

don't vote for either

Unfortunately not a good strategy. One of them is going to be elected POTUS - and given the choice between Trump and Biden (neither of whom I consider the ideal candidate), I've got to vote for Trump. We simply can't let the Democrats run the country.

 

[bystander]

If there isn't any greater evidence that Joe Biden and the Liberals are trying to exploit the problems in the streets it's his declaration that Trump is the first racist President we've had.

Joe Biden calls Trump the country's 'first' racist president

What a joke. Based upon what I have read, virtually every President we've had except possibly Jimmy Carter (I say that because I do believe he has a big heart. I don't mention Obama because he clearly represented Black people first which is fine; it was to be expected) was a racist. Noam Chomsky also said if the protocols of the Nuremberg Trials were followed, every President from Eisenhower (and probably Truman due to the A-bomb) through 1990 would have been hung. He also said Obama had committed war crimes.

Re: Chomsky

I mention him because years ago many Liberals on line seemed to like him. Then they found out he had no sacred cows though he is definitely not a Conservative.

Biden is a despicable demagogue. The worst possible kind. He WANTS anarchy in the streets. He wants white people to pay higher taxes in a wealth redistribution scheme (And don't worry about that national debt. It no longer matters. We Liberals are populists and individual grievance is all that matters) in order to buy votes. He is a front for Sanders/Warren/AOC/BETO communism. I'm saying that word because they are far beyond socialism. They are about totalitarianism and are enabling the hatred of our country.

 

[nashhorn]

his declaration that Trump is the first racist President we've had.

Without question this is right up there with the most idiotic thing he’s said. I guess that in a way this is another example of the move to erase our history.