2020 Presidential Election: let the jockeying commence
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Yes, but I just had one beer with my lunch.
Glad that she is reminding everyone that Biden railroaded Clarence Thomas and Bork. I think that will hurt him with some of the moderate Republicans that he was hoping to peel off.
Joe Fan
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Jetzt geht’s um die Wurst
Joe Fan
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I found a list of some of the "major" Dem primary endorsements
Bernie
Nicaragua President Daniel Ortega
American Federation of Teachers
American Postal Workers Union
National Nurses United
Linda Sarsour
Michael Moore
Cardi B
Danny DeVito
Donald Glover
Ariana Grande
Bill de Blasio
Former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel
Marianne Williamson
Patrick Leahy
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Rep. Ilhan Omar
Rep. Rashida Tlaib
Minnesota AG Keith Ellison
San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz
Rapper Killer Mike
Joe Rogan
Cenk Uygur
Dick Van Dyke (still alive I guess)
Shailene Woodley
The Nation
San Francisco Bay Guardian
Elizabeth Warren to end bid for Democratic nomination: reports
THANK GOD she was put back in her place; a marginal, fringe, anarchist-type activist. I say anarchist and not statist because her proposals are I only see anarchy in her approach. They are a hodge-podge vote buying schemes catering to the emotional hang-ups of as wide a range of people as she can encircle. Grievance enabling is all she is about.
Thank you to the DEMOCRATS and let's hope you do the same to Bernie. We need Democrats, NOT LIBERALS.
THANK GOD she was put back in her place; a marginal, fringe, anarchist-type activist. I say anarchist and not statist because her proposals are I only see anarchy in her approach. They are a hodge-podge vote buying schemes catering to the emotional hang-ups of as wide a range of people as she can encircle. Grievance enabling is all she is about.
Thank you to the DEMOCRATS and let's hope you do the same to Bernie. We need Democrats, NOT LIBERALS.
TxnByBirth
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So basically "Heap Big Liar Woman with Crazy Ideas" won out over "Gay White Man with Slightly Less Crazy Ideas" in the intersectional hierarchy matrix.
Re: The Left's apparent love affair with Socialism
In my view there is a paradoxical trust and mistrust by the black community in government. They were once oppressed by unjust laws passed by the government. Yet it took the government to make the necessary changes to those unjust laws. Many of us do not trust the power of a large bureaucracy but when oppression and corruption can occur when local governments operate under the cover of their own backyard. So the large central government is then needed to enforce the bill of rights.
But is enforcing the bill of rights socialism? I would say no. In my view, a Conservative should be in favor of vigorous civil rights enforcement which is possibly another paradox. Conservatives fear big government but should not (or do not) fear enforcement and protection from local and state governments. The central government should not be the oppressor. It should instead be the liberator.
And again I ask; is liberation socialism. I say no.
So what is socialism? To me it is the government as a competitor or a monopoly in the market place without an independent mechanism for us to air our grievances. Once the government has a conflict of interest and is given the power to police itself, then it's game over.
In my view there is a paradoxical trust and mistrust by the black community in government. They were once oppressed by unjust laws passed by the government. Yet it took the government to make the necessary changes to those unjust laws. Many of us do not trust the power of a large bureaucracy but when oppression and corruption can occur when local governments operate under the cover of their own backyard. So the large central government is then needed to enforce the bill of rights.
But is enforcing the bill of rights socialism? I would say no. In my view, a Conservative should be in favor of vigorous civil rights enforcement which is possibly another paradox. Conservatives fear big government but should not (or do not) fear enforcement and protection from local and state governments. The central government should not be the oppressor. It should instead be the liberator.
And again I ask; is liberation socialism. I say no.
So what is socialism? To me it is the government as a competitor or a monopoly in the market place without an independent mechanism for us to air our grievances. Once the government has a conflict of interest and is given the power to police itself, then it's game over.
Joe Fan
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You are trying to steal the interpretation crown, arent you?
Joe Fan
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She held on through Tuesday to drain votes from the Bern. She did not do that for free. None of them ever do. As citizens of the Republic, I would argue we have a right to know what she got for her agreement.
Monahorns
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Joe, I am actually for the DNC doing what they want in the primaries. The Democratic Party leadership should have a say in who their candidate is. It isn't democratic, but political parties aren't a democracy per se. There needs to be a party platform which all candidates need to adhere to in some level.
Them steering the primaries shows that the DNC is a more powerful party than the RNC. The RNC let an outsider win the nomination in 2016. Trump isn't as radical as Sanders is, so maybe that is why they allowed it.
But still good on them if Biden wins over Sanders. They protected their nomination process.
Monahorns
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Warren is a corrupt Statist, not anarchist. Anarchists want the government to have no power over society. Warren has come up with a myriad of plans to give more power to the government.
Vote buying, vote corruption and grievance advertising is a historic Left Democrat thing to do.
TxnByBirth
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I have been accused of worse...
TxnByBirth
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Her (latest) ideology is way closer to Sanders than Biden. My read is that she desperately wants to be Bernie's VP pick if he is the nominee. She is supremely unprincipled. Her attacks on Bloomberg were all about her fighting a proxy war on behalf of Bernie.
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Monahorns
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The Bill of Rights and Civil Rights legislation are 2 different things.
The Bill of Rights is a list of constraints put on the Federal government, not people or even States. The rights contained within are negative rights, meaning citizens have a right to not have their activity constrained. That means freedom to do or act upon their own conscience, but in a way that requires nothing from anybody else. Nobody has to provide me with anything for me to have the right to assemble.
Civil Rights legislation in some ways protected negative rights, but went way beyond in other ways to grant positive rights. That is the right to be given something from somebody else.
Also, it is not the Federal governments job to constrain local and state governments. That is not what the Constitution grants the FedGov the power to do. It is very specific and if it isn't granted specifically, then FedGov DOESN'T have that power.
But that doesn't grant to any level of government the label of good guy or bad guy. Federal, State, and City governments can be either good or bad. To look at one level as the liberator and the others as the enslaver is too myopic. We need to rationally evaluate each case and figure out what appropriate recourse we have against each level when they are the evil-doer. When I look at the US today the FedGov is the big bad guy and some State governments are smaller bad guys while others are pushing back. States by their size and proximity to voters are more accountable to citizens, so in general they should be allowed to govern as their voters see fit.
I suspect she actually believed that the identity politics voters would show up for Fauxcahontas on Tuesday...the dose of reality was served as soon as polls closed in Taxachusetts, giving Warren a third-place finish in the home State. I'm not sure she got anything as an inducement...there is enough hate between her and Bernie that I don't see a Cabinet-level post having been promised...and definitely no chance at the VP spot on the ballot if Bernie actually makes a third-party run (since we know he won't get the nod in Milwaukee).
America Punished Elizabeth Warren for Her Competence
One of the gems in this article as to why she lost in the DEMOCRAT primary:
Kate Manne, a philosopher at Cornell University, describes misogyny as an ideology that serves, ultimately, to reinforce a patriarchal status quo. “Misogyny is the law-enforcement branch of patriarchy,” Manne argues. It rewards those who uphold the existing order of things; it punishes those who fight against it. It is perhaps the mechanism at play when a woman puts herself forward as a presidential candidate and finds her attributes—her intelligence, her experience, her compassion—understood as threats. It is perhaps that mechanism at play when a woman says, “I believe in us,” and is accused of being “self-righteous.”
So those who are against the seizure of wealth, support women who object to transwomen who compete and dominate in their sport, who are against communism and who are against extreme Liberalism are now misogynists.
Wonder why Bernie is losing...
One of the gems in this article as to why she lost in the DEMOCRAT primary:
Kate Manne, a philosopher at Cornell University, describes misogyny as an ideology that serves, ultimately, to reinforce a patriarchal status quo. “Misogyny is the law-enforcement branch of patriarchy,” Manne argues. It rewards those who uphold the existing order of things; it punishes those who fight against it. It is perhaps the mechanism at play when a woman puts herself forward as a presidential candidate and finds her attributes—her intelligence, her experience, her compassion—understood as threats. It is perhaps that mechanism at play when a woman says, “I believe in us,” and is accused of being “self-righteous.”
So those who are against the seizure of wealth, support women who object to transwomen who compete and dominate in their sport, who are against communism and who are against extreme Liberalism are now misogynists.
Wonder why Bernie is losing...
Thanks for your response. Lot's in there. I focused on the above for starters. It's not myopic if you are black. It's the only place you can turn to. How do you control the local Bull Connor? Who enforces the bill of rights if not the federal government itself. It is bound too isn't it? To me it seems it was written to not only protect us from the central power but also bind the central power to protect us.
I agree her ideology is closer to Sanders but as you mentioned she has no principles. I wouldn't be surprised if she is shopping her endorsement around to the highest bidder. Let's not forget that Warren is a Democrat. She's closer to the establishment than she tries to pretend. In terms of political power, Biden can offer more than Sanders. Bernie really never learned how to play the political game which is why he got cucked the past two primaries.
Let's visualize a dream scenario - Biden gets the Dem nomination, Bernie and Warren run on a third-party ticket. That would likely drain off enough Dem votes to assure a win for Trump - and maybe dump some Dem candidates down the ballot.
IMO, it's very important for (a) Trump to win a second term and (b) the GOP to maintain the Senate (maybe even gain a seat or two). Ruth Bader Ginsburg won't live forever; if Trump gets to fill another seat on SCOTUS with a strict constructionist, that would give the Court a lean to the right for many years to come. And that's vital when another Dem wins the White House somewhere down the line.
Not really. If combo of Dem and Bernie get more states combined than Dem alone, then it may go to US House for presidential election. Divide and conquer. Don’t be on same ballot in certain competitive states.
Joe Fan
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If the RNC had stolen that from him, some heads would have rolled.
In the literal since.
And who really controls the DNC anyway?
Joe Fan
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That would be perfect but they dont like each other. She wouldnt do it.
Joe Fan
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She was supposed to be the 'smart' candidate. She claimed she has read all the papers and books educated lefties rely upon to guide them. This crowd was really behind her from the start (+ some women). But all that studying, if she really did it (which is an open question), seemed to paralyse instead of enlighten her.
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