2018 Recruiting - Football

Tons of aggy misery and butthurt out there

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Joe Fan said:
2018 was a year Houston has the best recruits in the state, and we are mopping up there

In 2019, it's the Dallas metro area with the top players in the state. We are already working it hard.
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From 247 Composite, 8 of the Top 16 recruits are from North Texas:
1
Kenyon GreenAtascocita (Humble, TX)
2
Brian WilliamsBishop Dunne (Dallas, TX)
3
Arjei HendersonFort Bend Travis (Richmond, TX)
4
Theo WeaseAllen (Allen, TX)
5
Jordan WhittingtonCuero (Cuero, TX)
6
Grant GunnellSt Pius X (Houston, TX)
7
Austin StognerPrestonwood Christian (Plano, TX)
8
Jalen CurrySt Pius X (Houston, TX)
9
Marcus StriplingMayde Creek (Houston, TX)
10
Marquez BeasonBishop Dunne (Dallas, TX)
11
Tyler JohnsonOak Ridge (Conroe, TX)
12
NaNa Osafo-MensahNolan Catholic (Fort Worth, TX)
13
Kam BrownColleyville Heritage (Colleyville, TX)
14
Garrett WilsonLake Travis (Austin, TX)
15
Marcel BrooksMarcus (Flower Mound, TX)
16
Demani RichardsonWaxahachie (Waxahachie, TX)

Makes me nervous. Because 2017 was North Texas heavy and we didn't do well.
 
X Misn Tx said:
....Makes me nervous. Because 2017 was North Texas heavy and we didn't do well.
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2017 was completely different circumstances

I agree 2019 will be a tough year for us in recruiting, but for different reasons than you state. I say it will be mainly due to improved competition -- aggy, ou and Piggy with Morris & Traylor
 
Our man Carrington went to see DL Daniel Carson last night in KC
There are some hints he may have been successful. For example, Demetric Warren flipped his CB to Texas. Holland (and Roach of course) flipped theirs to 'foggy' from Big Red
And some grumbling on the Nebraska boards (Neb was the fav)
Carrington is trying to single-handedly turn Giles into a good recruiter


 
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From everything I am reading Carrington is some sort of recruiting wizard. Not only is he credited with some of our best recruits in last year's class and the recruits who signed for us in December. He is now poaching players that were long thought to be locks to other schools, including Nebraska, aggie, and ou.

This man needs to be given a nice pay raise and a permanent office next to Herman. I don't care if he is a "coach" that doesn't actually coach anything. A steady stream of great recruits will win us more games than one more position coach.

If Carrington closes out this class the way I am hearing ... we need to pay that man his money.
 
Agree, Carrington is making a difference. Was smart to let him out on the road.

A month ago, our DL recruiting did not look so hot. We had Coburn committed but he did not sign early. And that was it.

Now it looks increasingly like we will land Coburn plus Ossai and Carson. And will still are not done. We are still working on Ojomo, Jackson, Williams, and Okechukwu. Smells like a great finish to an already great class.
 
Here is a short compare and contrast piece on aggy vs. Texas recruting. They point out Jimbo has alot of pressure on him with the 2019 class

" ..... Each of the six top-25 DBs already signed to the Longhorns is an in-state prospect. They come from all around the state: Two in Houston and three in smaller towns around Central, Southeastern, and Northeastern Texas.

Texas A&M has a bit of leeway, given that the Aggies went through a coaching change from Kevin Sumlin to Jimbo Fisher, but the improvement is still there, albeit slightly. The Aggies have two top-20 prospects from Texas, in four-star receiver Jalen Preston and four-star defensive end Max Wright.

The Aggies have done better in picking up blue-chippers in state than last year, but it’s not even close to the jump Texas had. First-year recruiting classes during a coaching change are typically transitional, but the head start Texas got with the 2018 class alone, with eight more blue-chips from the state than TAMU, is huge. Fisher is an exceptional recruiter, but he’s got some major ground to cover in the coming weeks and years. The Aggies need to salvage the 2018 class, and kick things into overdrive come 2019...."​

https://www.sbnation.com/college-fo...ootball-recruiting-am-tom-herman-jimbo-fisher
 
Not sure where this fits but try 'Recruiting'. Does anybody know where Sean DeLance is? Of for that matter, the other transfers (particularly those who left pre-Tom Herman, I think there were a couple) Who knows the rule about returning to a previous commitment? I know from experience that there are occasions where a player has a major conflict with a position coach (Akers comes to mind) and leaves. Can a player return? Obviously, some/most are grade, drugs, or good reasons to be gone, but some might have had 18 year old fits
 
hornde68 said:
Not sure where this fits but try 'Recruiting'. Does anybody know where Sean DeLance is? Of for that matter, the other transfers (particularly those who left pre-Tom Herman, I think there were a couple) Who knows the rule about returning to a previous commitment? I know from experience that there are occasions where a player has a major conflict with a position coach (Akers comes to mind) and leaves. Can a player return? Obviously, some/most are grade, drugs, or good reasons to be gone, but some might have had 18 year old fits
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Delance committed to UF and is projected as the starter at LT in the latest way too early projected 2018 starting lineup.
 
Joe Fan said:
....Now it looks increasingly like we will land Coburn plus Ossai and Carson. And will still are not done. We are still working on Ojomo, Jackson, Williams, and Okechukwu. Smells like a great finish to an already great class.
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We offered Williams today, just before his visit
His offer list includes Alabama, Arizona State, LSU, Ole Miss, Tenn and others.
 
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Joe Fan said:
2017 was completely different circumstances

I agree 2019 will be a tough year for us in recruiting, but for different reasons than you state. I say it will be mainly due to improved competition -- aggy, ou and Piggy with Morris & Traylor
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I'll go one year back, even to a good recruiting class for us. I'm going to the Top 18 (247 composite) in the state to give us our best score for the year.

There were 6 North Texas recruits in the Top 18. Of those, we got one. Not counting Devin who committed to Baylor before they imploded...
Greg LittleAllen (Allen, TX)
Devin DuvernaySachse (Sachse, TX)
Kaden SmithMarcus (Flower Mound, TX)
Justin MadubuikeMcKinney North (Mckinney, TX)
Kellen DieschByron Nelson (Trophy Club, TX)
Jean DelanceNorth Mesquite (Mesquite, TX)

Had I stayed in the Top 10 or Top 15, we would have gotten 0 recruits.

There are always different circumstances, but, over time, we don't have great results in North Texas.
 
hornde68 said:
Not sure where this fits but try 'Recruiting'. Does anybody know where Sean DeLance is? Of for that matter, the other transfers (particularly those who left pre-Tom Herman, I think there were a couple) Who knows the rule about returning to a previous commitment? I know from experience that there are occasions where a player has a major conflict with a position coach (Akers comes to mind) and leaves. Can a player return? Obviously, some/most are grade, drugs, or good reasons to be gone, but some might have had 18 year old fits
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I think you mean Jean Delance. He was one of Strong's better recruits in his 7th ranked 2016 class. But Delance wasted 2016 playing in only 2 games. With the coaching turnover, he did not respond well to the Herman brand of tough love and fell to 3rd team LT not just behind Connor Williams but behind JP Urquidez as well. There was even some talk of redshirting him in 2017. Instead of trying to fight through it, he quit and transferred. Had he stayed, he would have been the starting LT most of 2017 with William's injury and, who knows, might have kept the OL from turning into a dumpster fire. And he would be the starter at LT going into this season. In hindsight, neither side handled that situation very well.

But players leave with every coaching transition. When Strong came in, he almost immediately ran off both of our starting OTs. Those players ended up playing elsewhere (including Darius James ironically enough for Herb Hand's top 3 ranked OL in 2017). While the Texas OL has never recovered.
 
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X Misn Tx said:
I'll go one year back, even to a good recruiting class for us. I'm going to the Top 18 (247 composite) in the state to give us our best score for the year.
There were 6 North Texas recruits in the Top 18. Of those, we got one. Not counting Devin who committed to Baylor before they imploded...
Greg LittleAllen (Allen, TX)
Devin DuvernaySachse (Sachse, TX)
Kaden SmithMarcus (Flower Mound, TX)
Justin MadubuikeMcKinney North (Mckinney, TX)
Kellen DieschByron Nelson (Trophy Club, TX)
Jean DelanceNorth Mesquite (Mesquite, TX)
Had I stayed in the Top 10 or Top 15, we would have gotten 0 recruits.
There are always different circumstances, but, over time, we don't have great results in North Texas.
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2016 ended up a pretty good class for Strong, although it was a white knuckle ride until the very end. In terms of team rankings, it was #7 in the 247Comp but only #20 by Rivals. But it would have been much worse in either ranking system if not for the Baylor implosion. Strong got really lucky when that disaster pushed both Duvernay and Hudson to him (our #1 and #3 in that class). It also felt like Strong got lucky with Jones and the late conversions of Elliott, Fowler and McCulloch.

I must say I enjoyed the early signing rule change this year much better than I did following any of Strong's 3 classes at Texas. I think this new rule is going to continue to help us in the long run.

Your point seems to be that Texas does not recruit the Dallas metro area well on a historical level? And that some high school coaching staffs dont welcome us? I think the coaches all over the state were not very impressed with Strong's style.

I look at Herman in a different light. I think he can recruit players from anywhere. The Texas players who ended up at tOSU all said he was the best recruiter they ever met.

2019 already looks to be harder in state due to increased competition. We like to make fun of Jimbo for the fumbles in this transition year, but he put together a great recruiting staff on paper at least. Ark will hit Texas much harder with Chad Morris and Jeff Traylor. And Riley has already taken several defenders from us this year. So, you might end up being right that we wont land as many Dallas-area 2019s vis-à-vis Houston-area-2018s. But, if so, I dont think it will be because North Texas high schools staffs hate Longhorns.

And even if they do, I have always felt Texas could have a much higher national profile anytime we wanted. And it looks like we finally have a coach who agrees with this assessment. We are already offering the top players all over the country for 2019, including carpet-bombing the Miami-St Thomas Aquinas school with offers within the last 24 hours. Clearly we want to establish a presence at this school that regularly produces top recruits. And it wont stop there either. I like this. A lot. And I dont see it as conceding Dallas. I see it as finally having a coach willing and able to take full advantage of the national brand we built from our great 1960s teams through today. I always thought it was dumb the we did not do this in the past.
 
Joe Fan said:
Your point seems to be that Texas does not recruit the Dallas metro area well on a historical level? And that some high school coaching staffs dont welcome us? I think the coaches all over the state were not very impressed with Strong's style.
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Yes to the first point. I don't know about the coaches, just the results. Even when our classes are strong, we don't historically get "err'body!" from the subset of North Texas.

I'm not sure it's the HS coaches. No real opinion on why.
 
Walking Boss said:
Winning takes care of a lot of this problem. Time for Herman and the coaches to produce on the field.
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That applies to this class right now, which is already terrific. Our best at least since the (way overrated) 2012 class. But .... it could have been even better, especially with the out of state guys, if we had just won more games in 2017. So close.
 
A question about Carrington. I've never heard of him until recently. What made him so special at recruiting to even get a chance to display his talent? I see his results, I just don't know his resume leading up to where we are now.
 
Snippet from Justin Wells --

"What about the grad transfer offensive linemen? At this moment, Texas looks good for both.

Rice's Calvin Anderson is enjoying getting re-recruited, and Stanford's Casey Tucker is being thorough, because that’s what Stanford men do. Anderson is supposed to see OU and TCU soon. And Tucker left Austin with a smile on his face, I'm told. I don't think there's a timeline for either here. But it’s safe to say UT leads for both heading down the stretch...."



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