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Monahorns said:
Agreed. I never said that. But your comments about Gad are clearly incorrect. They were under the Law whether or not they obeyed it and are clearly sons of Israel that came out of Egypt.
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I’m not sure what you’re reading into my posts.

The Tribe of Gad was taken away into captivity by the Assyrians along with the other lost tribes. Most mainstream historians will say they mostly either assimilated into the Assyrians or were scattered here and there. Some far out theories will claim things like they’re the Irish, or the Tribe of Dan are the Danish, or they’re Ethiopians, and other off the wall theories with little or no bases in archaeology. Various nations and peoples want to think they are the lost tribes of Israel and that the blessings belong to them. It’s more likely then not just wishful thinking.

There were two Kingdoms when the Assyrians came through. The Assyrians conquered the Northern kingdom—Israel. The Southern kingdom—Judea was not conquered and the Tribes of Judah, Benjamin and maybe another one maintained sovereignty over the area around Jerusalem, Bethlehem, and Hebron. They may have become a vassal state at some point…? But they (Judah, Benjamin, maybe another tribe?) got to stay there and were never “lost” to history like the other tribes.

The Babylonian exile was later, and they came back to Israel after the exile was over.
 
Chop said:
I’m not sure what you’re reading into my posts.

The Tribe of Gad was taken away into captivity by the Assyrians along with the other lost tribes. Most mainstream historians will say they mostly either assimilated into the Assyrians or were scattered here and there. Some far out theories will claim things like they’re the Irish, or the Tribe of Dan are the Danish, or they’re Ethiopians, and other off the wall theories with little or no bases in archaeology. Various nations and peoples want to think they are the lost tribes of Israel and that the blessings belong to them. It’s more likely then not just wishful thinking.

There were two Kingdoms when the Assyrians came through. The Assyrians conquered the Northern kingdom—Israel. The Southern kingdom—Judea was not conquered and the Tribes of Judah, Benjamin and maybe another one maintained sovereignty over the area around Jerusalem, Bethlehem, and Hebron. They may have become a vassal state at some point…? But they (Judah, Benjamin, maybe another tribe?) got to stay there and were never “lost” to history like the other tribes.

The Babylonian exile was later, and they came back to Israel after the exile was over.
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I know all this but it doesn't address your comment that Gad wasn't Jewish or whatever. Yes Gad was a part of the 10 northern tribes. They disobeyed the law. But they were under the OT law. That's why God judged them with Assyria. They weren't pagans as you kind of intimated. They were sons of Israel like the other 11 tribes.
 
Garmel said:
Nope. Never had it.

Thankfully, i never became an anti-Semite either.
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Then explain what made you say 70% equals 100% and that it doesn't matter how Israelis poll.

Then the hail mary anti-semitic slur. Palestinians are Semites. The whole middle east is made of Semites. I want everyone in the area to live in peace. That's hateful to you I guess.
 
Monahorns said:
I know all this but it doesn't address your comment that Gad wasn't Jewish or whatever.
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ViperHorn said:
Again I was responding to the question of why the other countries in the area do not want the Palestinian people.
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I know, but my point is that there are other groups of Palestinians that have emigrated all over the world with no problems. So it is more complicated than most people think.
 
Chop said:
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I understand exactly what you are saying. You are the one who doesn't know when he makes an inaccurate statement. When you pointed out an inaccuracy to me, I explained my intention and admitted where you were right and my comments were incomplete.
 
Mona
Do you have a credible source reporting the hostage child and infant were killed in an IDF raid?
Israel did forensic pathology studies on both which showed these children were strangled with bare hands.
Israel sent their reports to other nations to review.
 
Horn6721 said:
Mona
Do you have a credible source reporting the hostage child and infant were killed in an IDF raid?
Israel did forensic pathology studies on both which showed these children were strangled with bare hands.
Israel sent their reports to other nations to review.
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Probably no one you would consider credible.
 
Mona
Is there a source that would be able to provide independent corroboration? Do you just take Hamas saying it?
Do you think Israel making forensic pathology available seems credible.
 
Horn6721 said:
Mona
Is there a source that would be able to provide independent corroboration? Do you just take Hamas saying it?
Do you think Israel making forensic pathology available seems credible.
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I really wish there was independent corroboration, but I am not aware of one. That would go a long way towards helping us understand truth from fiction. I don't take Hamas or the Israeli government at face value.

What I have seen is Israel admitting months or years later that their reports were wrong once the effect on opinion has already occurred. That doesn't PROVE one way or another. Reading up on this latest case, the forensic pathologist that is commenting on the Bibas family was also used as a source for the 40 murdered babies story. He claimed to have seen them, but there was never any evidence of it that was produced. Just words and claims.

It is similar to the Ukraine/Russia conflict. There were fake stories about the Ghost of Kiev, Snake Island, and the Bucha Massacre. The thing in Bucha might be true but the other two stories were proven false. There were also stories about the Ukraine offensive that were misleading. It was true that Ukraine led an offensive and made up some ground, but the claims that they would take back all the territory and defeat Russia was a clear lie to support public opinion for funding that war.
 
The Israeli Forensic center is open for any other nation to review pathological report. Hard to criticize when one can look at bodies and do independent forensic pathological investigating.
 
I don't know specifically this time but this from 2023 sure seems like the Israelis are pretty open and upfront don't You think?
www.timesofisrael.com

Foreign media given unprecedented access to forensic institute to witness atrocities

Staff at Abu Kabir work 24/7 along with colleagues in IDF and police to identify victims of mass butchery by Hamas terrorists; in some cases identification likely impossible
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"For the first time since it opened in 1954, on Monday Israel’s National Center of Forensic Medicine (Abu Kabir) in Jaffa allowed reporters to see and photograph the dead bodies inside.
Some of the journalists couldn’t stomach viewing the horrific scenes in the autopsy rooms as the center’s teams worked reverently and professionally, burying their emotions for the moment."
 
I had to skip through some of the Palestinian/Philistine debate, but it is important to say that the Palestinians there now are Arabs like Egyptians or Jordanians and are not a specific people group with historical claim to having been in that region back in Biblical times.
But if Hornfans wants to correct me, this is your chance….
 
VYFan said:
I had to skip through some of the Palestinian/Philistine debate, but it is important to say that the Palestinians there now are Arabs like Egyptians or Jordanians and are not a specific people group with historical claim to having been in that region back in Biblical times.
But if Hornfans wants to correct me, this is your chance….
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There have been genetic tests showing that the Palestinians of today are the closest genetic relatives to those living in the same region going back to Bible times. They are like 98%, 99% matches. Compare that to the people we call Jewish now who live in Israel. They are around a 50% match.

You are right about Palestinian culture though. They speak Arabic. They are Muslim. They have adopted the culture of the Arabs who came originally from the region we call Saudi Arabia today.
 
Mona? Did you read the link I posted just above on the Israeli Forensics center having journalists come in to view procedures?
You asked if outside people had been able to view forensic pathological investigating on the hostage corpses(including the children) Hamas just paraded and gave back.
So far we don't know BUT if they opened up their forensic lab in 23 why would they not now?
Has any reporting coming out of Hamas/Gaza included any similar verification?
 
Horn6721 said:
Mona? Did you read the link I posted just above on the Israeli Forensics center having journalists come in to view procedures?
You asked if outside people had been able to view forensic pathological investigating on the hostage corpses(including the children) Hamas just paraded and gave back.
So far we don't know BUT if they opened up their forensic lab in 23 why would they not now?
Has any reporting coming out of Hamas/Gaza included any similar verification?
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I did. Obviously that is a good thing to let others look at what they have. Obviously they saw lots of horrendous stuff that Hamas did. International journalist and American doctors have shown there are lots of horrendous stuff that the IDF has done too.

The forensics lab may be open now, but it isn't automatic that they are still letting international journalists come in. The IDF has called international journalists in the field by the dozens, so who knows what the relationship is like today.

Reading the article, there was something I took note of. Somewhere in it, there is a statement that because of the horrendous things they have shown in their lab, therefore Hamas isn't human and that they are monsters. That is dangerous because claims like this are always used to justify ethnic cleansing or genocide. Everyone involved, Israel and the IDF and the Gazans and Hamas, even are human beings, though some within those groups have committed horribly sinful acts. We have to remember all of that together to properly evaluate the situation.

About the Bibas family, who knows. It is a great tragedy that they and other families have suffered such great crimes against them.
 
Chop said:
This is something that makes it even scarier. People have it within themselves to do monstrous vile things.
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We shouldn’t fool ourselves; Americans would do it to each other under the right circumstances. I have been reading quite a lot lately about 20th century wars and civil wars in Asia. (Of course, the European atrocities are well known.) This sort of thing is not “long ago” human history. Even in our tame nation, we are like those tigers in the shows in Vegas—suddenly after looking tame for decades, they go “natural” and bite your neck.
 
VYFan said:
We shouldn’t fool ourselves; Americans would do it to each other under the right circumstances. I have been reading quite a lot lately about 20th century wars and civil wars in Asia. (Of course, the European atrocities are well known.) This sort of thing is not “long ago” human history. Even in our tame nation, we are like those tigers in the shows in Vegas—suddenly after looking tame for decades, they go “natural” and bite your neck.
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The North raped and pillaged the South during Sherman's march to the coast.

If you think Antifa wouldn't do the same to conservatives and Christians if given the green light you aren't paying attention.
 
Remember the Tulsa race riot? Maybe not since I've heard some contend the mere mention of it is "teaching critical race theory." White folk, who I expect lived mostly honorable lives, somehow convinced themselves that atrocities were OK. It can happen anytime individuals ignore their own conscience and adopt group norms. Groups, of course, have no conscience. And in Tulsa the perps had no legal consequences either.
 
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Horn6721 said:
Vy?
You would torture and rape?
Strangle a baby with your bare hand?
I don't believe you would.
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No. I don’t think so. Possibly, when forced into choosing a side in a war, and it was kill or be killed, I might try to be one of the not-dead ones. But I might even be heroic in some way, brave or merciful or something.
 
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