Why Does This Appear to be a Black Problem?

Satchel

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This happens too often and is always under reported. Black kids seem to always be the victims. Why is that?
by Frances Martel | 1:39 pm, March 18th, 2012

The Killing Of Trayvon Martin Is Not A ‘Black Problem’


A very young person was killed last month, for carrying a bag of Skittles and an iced tea. His killer made a dubious claim of self-defense, despite being explicitly told by law enforcement he had no right to confront the teen and his Skittles for his “suspicious” behavior. The claim worked, and witnesses say that police officers told them they were mistaken when they tried to say it was the teen who cried out for help, and not the killer. Trayvon Martin‘s death is a harrowing story, particularly given that his killer, George Zimmerman, seems to have escaped any brush with the legal justice system. It should alarm any American than our legal system protected Zimmerman’s liberty after his crime. So why are only black people talking about it?

Like many outside the Orlando area, I first encountered the story on Twitter, with a link to the New York Times’ Charles Blow’s recounting of the events. The facts of the case are most concisely compiled there:

Trayvon had left the house he and his father were visiting to walk to the local 7-Eleven. On his way back, he caught the attention of George Zimmerman, a 28-year-old neighborhood watch captain, who was in a sport-utility vehicle. Zimmerman called the police because the boy looked “real suspicious,” according to a 911 call released late Friday. The operator told Zimmerman that officers were being dispatched and not to pursue the boy.

Zimmerman apparently pursued him anyway, at some point getting out of his car and confronting the boy. Trayvon had a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea. Zimmerman had a 9 millimeter handgun.

The two allegedly engaged in a physical altercation. There was yelling, and then a gunshot.

When police arrived, Trayvon was face down in the grass with a fatal bullet wound to the chest. Zimmerman was standing with blood on his face and the back of his head and grass stains on his back, according to The Orlando Sentinel.

Zimmerman has not faced any charges because he claims he acted in self-defense, despite disobeying police orders, despite later being found to be a serial 911 caller, and despite having warned neighbors, as “neighborhood watch” leader, to keep an eye out for “young men who appeared to be outsiders” by the Miami Herald. Martin’s parents are crying murder and, of course, racism. Zimmerman’s parents claim their son is Latino, and therefore could not be racist. As he has not been charged with anything, and we know for sure he shot Martin, calling this a murder is not, by any means, a legal conclusion that a court has arrived at. The difference between murder and manslaughter or other homicide is “malice aforethought”– an elusive term but, to me, if repeatedly calling 911 and warning people about suspicious young black men, before actually killing one in defiance of law enforcement orders isn’t “malice aforethought,” I’m not sure what is.

Most of the media is crying neither racism nor murder, saying next to nothing, though given that the online uproar began in earnest over the weekend, the next week will provide many opportunities to bring the story to light. As of now, however, the most vocal in bringing the story to light have been cable news tweeters like Blow himself, Touré, Goldie Taylor, and Roland Martin, among others. Al Sharpton has announced he is organizing a rally in support of Trayvon Martin. Many black commentators began using a phrase that I had never quite understood before to describe the situation: “There but for the grace of God go I.”

As for coverage of the matter on television, the TV Eyes television transcription database shows that CNN has been on the forefront of covering this story since March 10– particularly Don Lemon on his broadcast yesterday. Among the non-CNN cable news networks, only MSNBC’s Al Sharpton, Martin Bashir, and Alex Witt, Melissa Harris-Perry, and Fox News’ Harris Faulkner having the distinction of reporting on the story at all. To date, the most thorough panel discussion on television about the matter appeared on Roland Martin’s Sunday program, Washington Watch, where Trayvon Martin’s parents appeared to tell their story:



The coverage of the story—in passing on national news networks, in depth among black critics—highlights both the integral need for diversity of experience in the media, and the consequences of a media without enough people who can speak to issues which are unique to certain American narratives that those in the outgroup will never understand.

Several reasons exist for the divide in black and white media regarding how they approach this story. For one, the reasons for Martin’s death necessitate an understanding of racism that only black people—particularly black men—fully understand. As a white Latina, I can say, without a doubt, that no one looks at my skin (or my name, for that matter) and feels fear. I can understand bringing that out in people for immutable traits— I know what it’s like to forget I’m in a rural place and speak Spanish, prompting bad service at a store or “this town is going to Hell” comments from locals. I know what it’s like to see your dad stopped by a cop for having a mustache. But, for the most part, no one knows I’m not “the right kind” of white without an extra clue. People like me don’t have to deal with “it,” usually. Given that my family barged into the American history narrative almost a decade after the Civil Rights Act passed, they likely could have avoided dealing with it had they been here, too.

Trayvon Martin, like so many “suspicious-looking” young black males with similar fates, did not have that luxury. No one can hide his or her skin color and, in the context of vigilante violence, the false threat of black skin is a uniquely black male problem. That doesn’t mean that those who have not experienced it cannot see why it is so obviously troublesome, nor does it exonerate non-black people from the responsibility of demanding a more just legal system that sends a clear enough message that murders like Martin’s are so unacceptable that they will, for the most part, go away. That lack of joint responsibility may be the single most troubling part of this story.

When Caylee Anthony disappeared, Nancy Grace almost single-handedly decided for us that this was America’s Problem. For a good year, this was America’s Problem. This was America’s Problem despite the fact that, by the time Caylee’s mother was arrested and acquitted, there really wasn’t anything anyone could do about it. Black media leaders had to cover Casey Anthony’s trial, too. And Joran Van Der Sloot’s. And Amanda Knox‘s. The lack of reciprocity, particularly in cases with black victims, is stark and needs to be addressed.

The media won’t be able to comfort Trayvon Martin’s mother. It won’t be able to erase the memory of her son, the sound of his cries for help as he was being shot, a teenager. They won’t be able to do much about Zimmermann’s tragically flawed understanding of what a criminal looks like, or the violently distorted moral code that enabled him to I believe commit such a crime. The media can shed light, however, on what sort of legal system lets a man like Zimmermann free, and encourages others with similar understandings of the “shoot first, ask questions later” doctrine to continue thinking as they do, because the law has them covered.

And our broken criminal justice system isn’t a black problem. It’s an American problem.
 
I don't agree with Satchel on much, but this case (assuming the facts have been reported accurately) is indicative of inequality in the justice system. Gives special meaning to the term 'justice is blind'.

So a guy can not only get in trouble for DWB, but can now be shot for W(WS)WB... Walking (with Skittles) While Black? Barring evidence showing that Trayvon carried and brandished a lethal weapon leading to his being shot, I would think any prosecutor should be able to convince a jury that a malicious killing had occurred.
 
Probably more to the story, there always is. Or this could be the exception story in 2012, a black man being harassed and shot for doing nothing wrong.

When the percentage of crime being commited by Blacks is reduced to the level of other races, I am sure that unknown blacks will no longer be deemed suspicious.
 
Zimmerman sounds like a guy who let his "neighborhood watch"{ position get out of control. No reason to have a loaded weapon in that role. Based on the facts presented he should be charged with murder IMHO.
 
I've heard a little media coverage of this, but it is surprisingly low. This story stinks to high heaven on so many levels I don't even know where to start. First, this a small penis issue as much as it's a race issue. We have a wannabe cop roaming around as "neighborhood watchman" confronting people he deems "suspicious" and shooting them. What the hell's wrong with this guy? That's a big problem regardless of anybody's race.

Second, apparently the 911 calls are available. Horrible stuff, and the guy sounds like a prejudicial prick - complains in his call that Martin is "looking at houses" as if that's a crime or is somehow suspicious. Not only did he kill this kid, he terrorized the hell out of his neighborhood and apparently has been complained about in the past for his behavior and had a criminal record of his own.

For a moment, let's give Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt and assume Martin was putting out all the signals that he was a "suspicious person" (whatever that means). (Looking at the photos of Martin, he doesn't look very scary. Basically, he's just a boy - doesn't even look like an adult, and he doesn't look "thuggish" at all.) First, is a neighborhood watchman supposed to be walking around alone? I thought they were supposed to walk in groups. Second, are they supposed to directly confront "suspicious people?" I could understand if someone was in imminent danger, but there's no indication of that in this article or any of the stories I've seen. Third, the guy called the cops, but the cops told him to leave the kid alone and let them handle it. Instead, he chased him down.

As for the self-defense plea, it sounds pretty weak to me. First, Zimmerman was in a car. If he felt in danger, why didn't he just drive away? Second, Martin was a skinny little kid - reports say 140 pounds - compared to Zimmerman's 250 pounds. Even if Martin was the aggressor, Zimmerman could have just restrained him. Third, Zimmerman had a gun, and Martin was unarmed. Even if he felt in danger, he could have threatened Martin and even brandished the weapon before actually shooting. Fourth, and most disturbing, one of the witnesses suggests that she heard Martin crying out for help, before she was CORRECTED BY THE COP, who wasn't even there. If Martin was the one crying out for help, I don't see how any kind of self-defense claim holds water.

And what do we make of these cops? No arrest of Zimmerman immediately?? If his story ended up holding water, you can always release him. The investigating officer "corrects" a witness? What the hell is that about? Furthermore, if you read Blow's article, he brings up the story of the homeless man who got attacked by a cop's son, who didn't get arrested. The investigating officer who chose not to arrest the other cop's son - the same sack of $hit who didn't arrest Zimmerman. Wow. And people wonder why a lot of blacks don't like cops. This kind of thing is why.

Frankly, Zimmerman's damn lucky Martin's father is acting restrained in this situation, while his son's killer isn't even being pursued. A lot of dads black or white would "go Samuel L. Jackson" on his ***, and very few would fault him for doing it.
 
At a minimum, should be an investigation and should likely be a prosecution. From minimal information I have, looks like Zimmerman ignored what police told him and should never have physically confronted the situation. Not sure why he would ever see the need to not wait on the police unless someone was being assaulted.
 
Actually, your effed up line of reasoning is that I must be "born too late" I guess indicating I must be prejudiced when I point out that blacks do more crime as a race. Hate those pesky facts, therefore attack the person stating the facts.
 
Black people,men in particular are accused and convicted of more crimes, many of them similar to Trayvon's crime. You're just too hateful to acknowledge it.

And how is the crime rate among black relevant to this kid having been murdered for no good reason?
 
Satchel, pretty much everyone on here is in agreement that this young man appears to have committed no crime. Why are you trying to pick a fight?
 
Not hateful Satchel, just using critical thinking. You might try it sometime. We don't know what exactly transpired or what the police investigation will find in the incident, therefore reserve judgement. What we do know is that the neighborhood did have a neighborhood watch. A fact which would indicate there was reason to have a neighborhood watch. We do know that blacks commit more crime than other races.
 
Bringing something totally unrelated to the topic being discussed in a effort to bolster your own bias, let's me know that I've forgotten more about critical thinking than you'll ever know.

Here is what everyone should know about the case:

1. Zimmerman called the police to report Martin’s “suspicious” behavior, which he described as “just walking around looking about.” Zimmerman was in his car when he saw Martin walking on the street. He called the police and said: “There’s a real suspicious guy. This guy looks like he’s up to no good, on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about… These a**holes always get away” [Orlando Sentinel]

2. Zimmerman pursued Martin against the explicit instructions of the police dispatcher:

Dispatcher: “Are you following him?”
Zimmerman: “Yeah”
Dispatcher: “OK, we don’t need you to do that.”

[Orlando Sentinel]

3. Prior to the release of the 911 tapes, Zimmerman’s father released a statement claiming “[a]t no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin.” [Sun Sentinel]

4. Zimmerman was carrying a a 9 millimeter handgun. Martin was carrying a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea. [ABC News]

5. Martin weighed 140 pounds. Zimmerman weighs 250 pounds. [Orlando Sentinel; WDBO]

6. Martin’s English teacher described him as “as an A and B student who majored in cheerfulness.” [Orlando Sentinel]

7. Martin had no criminal record. [New York Times]

8. Zimmerman “was charged in July 2005 with resisting arrest with violence and battery on an officer. The charges appear to have been dropped.” [Huffington Post]

9. Zimmerman called the police 46 times since Jan. 1, 2011. [Miami Herald]

10. According to neighbors, Zimmerman was “fixated on crime and focused on young, black males.” [Miami Herald]

11. Zimmerman “had been the subject of complaints by neighbors in his gated community for aggressive tactics” [Huffington Post]

12. A police officer “corrected” a key witness. “The officer told the witness, a long-time teacher, it was Zimmerman who cried for help, said the witness. ABC News has spoken to the teacher and she confirmed that the officer corrected her when she said she heard the teenager shout for help.” [ABC News]

13. Three witnesses say they heard a boy cry for help before a shot was fired. “Three witnesses contacted by The Miami Herald say they saw or heard the moments before and after the Miami Gardens teenager’s killing. All three said they heard the last howl for help from a despondent boy.” [Miami Herald]

14. The officer in charge of the crime scene also received criticism in 2010 when he initially failed to arrest a lieutenant’s son who was videotaped attacking a homeless black man. [New York Times]

15. The police did not test Zimmerman for drugs or alcohol. A law enforcement expert told ABC that Zimmerman sounds intoxicated on the 911 tapes. Drug and alcohol testing is “standard procedure in most homicide investigations.” [ABC News]
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Too bad that their was no eyewitness to what happened between the end of the 9/11 call and the fatal shooting.

Given Zimmerman's record and his obviously on-edge persona, I personally don't doubt that he confronted the kid.

Shame on his fat-*** for getting beat about by a little kid. Shame on his fat-*** for carrying a weapon and thinking he can use it rather than run away. Hopefully he goes to prison if he indeed escalated a situation needlessly and then fatally shot a 17 year old for it. If he is guilt, I hope to hell he goes to prison.

The biggest failure here is obviously on the part of the police department. If they had done their job properly, we might know more.
 
Sachel, thanks for your obligatory charge of bias.
1. He was on neighborhood watch and called in what he considered a suspicious person in the neighborhood.
2. He considered him suspicious and continued to follow him on neighborhood watch.
3. What Zimmerman's father has to say is immaterial and hearsay.
4. Did he have license to carry a handgun? If so, he had every right to have the gun on his person.
5. The weights of the individuals are facts, but not sure for what pupose these facts serve.
6. Not sure why this relevent.
7. Zimmerman also does not a have a criminal record and was part of his neighborhood watch.
8. Zimmerman does not have a criminal record.
9. What were the calls made for and what was the result of the calls. Did they come on neighborhood watch?
10. What group has the highest crime rate?
11. Show me a neighborhood and I will find people to say bad things about their neighbors.
12. The investigation is not over, I will wait before comment.
13. The investigation is not over, I will wait before comment.
14. Did he arrest the lieutenants son?? Maybe he arrested him after investigating the crime? What does the prior incident have to do with this incident?
15. Was Trayvon tested for drugs?

A lot of innuendo and hearsay with the investigation not complete.
 
It's not hearsay for an eye witness to state that the policie department lied when saying they attempted to reach her to no avail. This was after they lied about having gotten a statement from her.
 

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