What's Going on at University of Missouri?

[Seattle Husker]

They need to find the purveyor of the "poopswastika" simply to embarrass the individual. That's nasty!

 

[Larry T Spider]

Poop swastika guy should be expelled for being a psychopath, but what about that is racist/threatening towards blacks? I think my black friends would be more offended by the smell and sight of that than racial issues.

 

[theiioftx]

The damage caused by the protestors and poor leadership by the university will cost them billions, both individually and collectively. I cannot imagine any honor student even remotely considering MU and the demands of these black students to lower standards for the "marginalized" will create a low tier university. No employer in a productive industry would even remotely consider a graduate of MU now. On the positive side, the university will produce more democrat voters and MSNBC journalists!

 

[HomeBrewHorn]

Public schools. We have been forced into it in almost every state. The substantial shift came when we started blaming schools and teachers for students' failures instead of students. When students didn't graduate, it became the school's fault. When the kids failed it became the schools fault. When the kids got punished for poor behavior it became the schools fault. There is literally nothing that can happen in the academic setting that is the students fault anymore. College has been the dividing line where students are required to be more responsible for their behavior, grades, etc. It's no surprise that it creates tension for the students that have been fed a line of BS about the world.

Bingo.

My daughter informed me today that there was a raucous march/protest at Texas St. this morning in which these coddled babies were running around demanding free tuition and $15 min. wage for on campus jobs. All of these twits are the equivalent of the brat kid at the grocery store that is throwing a tantrum at checkout because mommy won't buy him/her any candy. These people are such candi-asses they don't know how to deal with life's realities when they come knocking, so they pitch a fit and see who can scream "HE HURT ME" the loudest.

 

[Larry T Spider]

The damage caused by the protestors and poor leadership by the university will cost them billions, both individually and collectively. I cannot imagine any honor student even remotely considering MU and the demands of these black students to lower standards for the "marginalized" will create a low tier university. No employer in a productive industry would even remotely consider a graduate of MU now. On the positive side, the university will produce more democrat voters and MSNBC journalists!

Well, they are known for their school of journalism.

 

[Crockett]

Please show me on this doll how Mizzou hurt you.

 

[Htown77]

Folks, now that we have actual conformation of a poop nazi on the loose in Missouri... may God help them.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Poop swastika guy should be expelled for being a psychopath, but what about that is racist/threatening towards blacks? I think my black friends would be more offended by the smell and sight of that than racial issues.

I wondered the same thing. The swastika is almost always associated with antisemitism, and when used, it's almost always intended to intimidate Jews, not blacks. Furthermore, if you drew a swastika in poop, that could easily be interpreted as an anti-Nazi expression.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Good news! If anyone says something mean, you can call 911 and get then kicked out of the University of Missouri.

I actually think this might end up being a good thing. There are two things that I notice with all the complaints against the university. First, they're mostly nonspecific and vague. Second, the alleged incidents of racist behavior are entirely unverifiable. Of course, if the media did their jobs, they'd ask the students to name names and provide specifics.

"Who called you the n-word?" "Who was with you at the time and witnessed this incident?"

"Did you actually see the poopstika? You didn't? How do you know it actually occurred?" Or "You did see it? Why didn't you take a photo of it on your phone so you could bring it to the authorities' attention?"

Obviously they're not pressing these questions, because they might undermine the narrative and because they don't want to be called racists. However, if the "MoPoPo" gets involved, they're likely to ask this sort of question, and we might actually find out if the University is really a bastion of retro-white supremacism where black students have to live in constant fear of being lynched or if the SJWs are pushing a hoax to support a political or financial agenda.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Public schools. We have been forced into it in almost every state. The substantial shift came when we started blaming schools and teachers for students' failures instead of students. When students didn't graduate, it became the school's fault. When the kids failed it became the schools fault. When the kids got punished for poor behavior it became the schools fault. There is literally nothing that can happen in the academic setting that is the students fault anymore. College has been the dividing line where students are required to be more responsible for their behavior, grades, etc. It's no surprise that it creates tension for the students that have been fed a line of BS about the world.

So, who is to blame? Politicians of course. When you shut down schools with low graduation rates, what do you expect schools to do? Graduate kids. When you punish teachers that fail kids, what do you expect teachers to do? Pass kids at all costs.

Larry, your are correct. It's much easier to blame schools for student failures than it is to blame the students, or even tougher, the parents. No parent wants to hear, "your kid is ****** up," but they really don't want to hear, "your kid is ****** up because of you." That's the root of the drive to blame schools for student failure, and there's always an easy scapegoat to divert blame from where it properly lies. The Right will point the finger at teacher unions, and the Left will point the finger at a lack of money. Both can make enough of a case to divert attention and responsibility away from the parents who don't want to face reality, but both are mostly wrong.

However, the school system is far from innocent in this charade. They've mostly welcomed the push to take the place of parents, because it brings a colossal cottage industry with it. If parents did their jobs, the massive armies of special ed teachers, counselors, diversity consultants, and the tens of thousands of highly-paid administrators who support those armies would be largely out of work. The problem is that they ultimately know that the responsibility of being government-funded substitute parents is too much for them even if they have the best of intentions and the strongest work ethic.

There simply is no substitute for real parents and families, and the more we ask the school system to play that role, the worse they look, which of course leads to more evidence to perpetuate the fraud coming from both the Right and the Left. The Right can say, "these teachers and their unions are incompetent lazy asses." The Left can say, "our schools need more money and more personnel." In the meantime, the kids get screwed, the teachers get mostly wrongly denigrated, and the taxpayer gets hit harder.

 

[Clean]

Not so fast my friends, the ACLU doesn't like the way Mizzou is attempting to curtail freedom of speech and for once I agree with them.

ACLU STATEMENT on MU Law Enforcement's attempt to police free speech
“The ACLU of Missouri is disappointed with the recent request by the University of Missouri Police to report ‘hurtful speech,’ which simultaneously does too much and too little.

Racial epithets addressed to a specific person in a threatening or intimidating manner can be illegal, and may require action by police and/or university administrators. But, no governmental entity has the authority to broadly prohibit ‘hurtful’ speech – or even undefined ‘hateful’ speech, or to discipline against it..."

http://www.aclu-mo.org/

 

[Larry T Spider]

I'll agree with most of that. The only part that I somewhat disagree with is the schools' willingness to get involved in roles that were once left to families. I think our hand was forced by "the age of accountability". When schools in poor areas have to meet the same graduation rates and test passing scores and the students are facing tremendous challenges outside of school, what are we supposed to do? When I taught in the hood, we had to make a "whatever it takes" type approach each years to stay an acceptable campus. It was a pain in the *** and definitely not something we wanted to do. I teach rich kids now and we don't offer most of that stuff because its simply not needed.

Also, its worth noting that a lot of the "extras" are forced by government. Every district now has a homeless coordinator to meet the legal requirements in addition to a branch of admin usually called "student services". Most of what they do is deal with legal requirements for "at-risk" students. Every school now has a 504 coordinator and multiple sped staff members. Many schools are using a teaching position on a testing coordinator type position to simply deal with the monstrosity that it has become. ARD facilitators are now a thing because the IEP process has become so time consuming. We didn't ask for any of these laws.

 

[Joe Fan]

Here is an interview with one of the student leaders of the Million Student March (by Cavuto).
She argues for free college tuition, cancellation of student debt and a $15 min wage.

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Mr. Deez]

Here is an interview with one of the student leaders of the Million Student March (by Cavuto).
She argues for free college tuition, cancellation of student debt and a $15 min wage.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Here is an interview with one of the student leaders of the Million Student March (by Cavuto).
She argues for free college tuition, cancellation of student debt and a $15 min wage.

I wonder how many marchers the FoxNews producers approached before they found a loon like that?

 

[ProdigalHorn]

"Did you actually see the poopstika? You didn't? How do you know it actually occurred?" Or "You did see it? Why didn't you take a photo of it on your phone so you could bring it to the authorities' attention?"

The problem is that now journalists are more worried about how the interviewer will view them than they are about doing their jobs. If you ask journalistic questions, by definition you're asking for confirmation and showing skepticism. As a j-school grad, I can say very clearly that a good journalist HAS to be a skeptic. Sometimes that makes people think you're a jerk. And today, it means making people think you're a racist because you don't take claims at face value, or it means making people think you're a commie liberal on the flip side.

 

[ProdigalHorn]

Not so fast my friends, the ACLU doesn't like the way Mizzou is attempting to curtail freedom of speech and for once I agree with them.

The ACLU is about to get labeled a hate group if it's not careful.

I wonder how many marchers the FoxNews producers approached before they found a loon like that?

If she's truly one of the leaders of the march, then I'm not sure how far they would have to look. If she's a loon, and she's one of the people leading the effort, then what does it say about the rest? That they're all well-spoken, reasonable people? Maybe she sounds like an idiot, but there's no way to sound smart and defend the ideas that those groups are putting out there.

 

[Mr. Deez]

As a j-school grad, I can say very clearly that a good journalist HAS to be a skeptic. Sometimes that makes people think you're a jerk. And today, it means making people think you're a racist because you don't take claims at face value, or it means making people think you're a commie liberal on the flip side.

Journalists with integrity need to fight this with every fiber of their beings. If journalists lose their skepticism (selectively or in general) then we no longer have a free press, and the Republic is in danger.

What I'm drinking tonight.

 

[Htown77]

marchers the FoxNews producers approached before they found a loon like that?

I would normally agree with this, but based on how many protestors where blindly taking orders to build a human wall to muscle out reporters in that video... I think most of this group has to be loons, misguided, or simply not that bright.

Here is the Missouri student body VP telling MSNBC she is tired of the first amendment. Skip to 3 minute mark if you do not want to watch the whole thing.




Also at Cornell today, black students protested a pro black equality protest by white students and shut it down.

 

[HomeBrewHorn]

Here is an interview with one of the student leaders of the Million Student March (by Cavuto).
She argues for free college tuition, cancellation of student debt and a $15 min wage.

Here, I'll sum up her reply when Cavuto asked her how all that gets paid for, "I mean like, well, um, like.....yea." Blithering idiot like the rest of them.

 

[theiioftx]

I wonder how many marchers the FoxNews producers approached before they found a loon like that?

Take one of those rocks in Deez's box and throw it into a liberal protest crowd.

This is the mindset of the Democratic Party. Just listen to HRC or Bernie Sanders stump. This is the base.

 

[Crockett]

Theii, I feel your pain and some other as well. With Ben Carson and Donald Trump dominating Republican polling, I'm getting the feeling cogent thought isn't really popular anywhere on the political spectrum.

 

[HomeBrewHorn]

I've watched that Cavuto interview with the Million Moron March leader at least 5 times now, it is literally the gift that keeps on giving. There is far too much gold in the interview to write about, but this gem at the 6:36 mark was just beautiful:

Cavuto: Even if you were to take the 1% and take all of their money, tax it 100%, do you know that couldn't keep Medicare, just Medicare, in this country going for 3 years. Did you know that?

Idiot: If we're to a point where the rich is paying 100% on their taxes then we're on the road to socialism and we're gonna have a completely different, um, type of public infrastructure.

 

[zork]

Theii, I feel your pain and some other as well. With Ben Carson and Donald Trump dominating Republican polling, I'm getting the feeling cogent thought isn't really popular anywhere on the political spectrum.

Trump has an Ivy League education at least. He is a master of manipulation. We will likely get gold plated buildings in DC and a new Trump Tower wing added to the White House but you have to compromise somewhere. Trump also will be good at working with the 20 Trillion dollar deficit as it approaches 30 Trillion on his first 4 years.(assuming rates rise from their artificially lowered status and spending doesn't abate; even if it is only 25 Trillion it will need some manipulation that the Donald will be best fit to address)

 

[Mr. Deez]

The only part that I somewhat disagree with is the schools' willingness to get involved in roles that were once left to families. I think our hand was forced by "the age of accountability". When schools in poor areas have to meet the same graduation rates and test passing scores and the students are facing tremendous challenges outside of school, what are we supposed to do? When I taught in the hood, we had to make a "whatever it takes" type approach each years to stay an acceptable campus. It was a pain in the *** and definitely not something we wanted to do. I teach rich kids now and we don't offer most of that stuff because its simply not needed.

Also, its worth noting that a lot of the "extras" are forced by government. Every district now has a homeless coordinator to meet the legal requirements in addition to a branch of admin usually called "student services". Most of what they do is deal with legal requirements for "at-risk" students. Every school now has a 504 coordinator and multiple sped staff members. Many schools are using a teaching position on a testing coordinator type position to simply deal with the monstrosity that it has become. ARD facilitators are now a thing because the IEP process has become so time consuming. We didn't ask for any of these laws.

Who are "we," White Man? Respectfully, you're blurring the teachers with the school system as a whole, and the issue is bigger than the actual teachers on the ground doing the real work. You're looking at it from the perspective of the the classroom teacher (which is understandable). If you already have a job (such as but not limited to a classroom teacher), then expanding the school system's authority doesn't really do much for you. It mostly just gives you more work and responsibility without a commensurate increase in your pay. Classroom teachers don't want to fart around with SpEd people, instructional support personnel, IEPs, etc., nor do they want them horning in on their territory.

However, if you're a SpEd teacher, counselor, school psychologist, etc., you're going to be a fan of this stuff, because it means you have a job. In fact, it means that you have a high-demand specialty job, in which it's relative easy to climb the career ladder. (Make no mistake about it. If Mrs. Deez wasn't a SpEd expert, she wouldn't be an administrator, especially at the relatively young age of 36.) If you're a teachers' union, you're going to support anything that requires the hiring of more personnel who might join the union. In addition, if you're a principal or a school administrator, the hiring of more people empowers you, gives you a reason to ask the appropriate authorities for more money, and expands your "kingdom."

The bottom line is that while the government is forcing the "extras," that's not happening in a vacuum. It's happening with the rabid support of powerful interests within the education system, even if some of the teachers on the ground aren't big fans of having to deal with the burdens of it.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I would normally agree with this, but based on how many protestors where blindly taking orders to build a human wall to muscle out reporters in that video... I think most of this group has to be loons, misguided, or simply not that bright.

Here is the Missouri student body VP telling MSNBC she is tired of the first amendment. Skip to 3 minute mark if you do not want to watch the whole thing.




Also at Cornell today, black students protested a pro black equality protest by white students and shut it down.

What would the reaction be if a white kid complained that a faculty member or counselor he had to deal with didn't look him him/her?

 

[Joe Fan]

and there it is ....

 

[Htown77]

I saw an article somewhere (I know, not a great source) yesterday that recruits were quickly losing interest in Missouri. I think Pinkel just said "I am getting out of this sinking ship."

 

[Horn6721]

The person Cavuto interviewed was the actual Leader of the million idoit march. She mentioned that her family was on all sorts of gov't assistance. If that is all you have known I guess you will always feel entitled.

The blacks at Cornel telling the whites they can't protest FOR the blacks?, well there is nothing to say.