What will you do If TH Kneels?

ah yes, the old ad hominem fallback position when one runs out of reasoned arguments. ;)

not at all. I’m pointing out that while you champion these causes you more than likely have zero to do personally with black people on an individual basis. You love the argument but yet don’t practice what you say you believe in.
 
You're saying blacks "immigrated" here.
Were any other "immigrants" enslaved for 200 years, segregated with no voting rights for another 100 years?
Why have blacks had such a hard time. :rolleyes1:
They have had the same opportunity as every other race for over 100 years now, and much better opportunity than most races. Quite making excuses and start achieving. Of course you didn't answer any of my questions.
 
Can you imagine that? And despite all your best efforts, too. If only we had more like you ;)
And just as I suspected you didn't answer a single one of my questions. We don't need more like me, we need more of the 1 in 1000 like Kirby who didn't allow his race to tell him to just take it easy and stay on the welfare drug but took it upon himself and make something out of his life, work his way through college and make a successful career from entry level to top management making over $200k/annually. Because he believed he could and refused to accept the lies from people like you.
 
They have had the same opportunity as every other race for over 100 years now
My Mom's and Dad's families are both from Mississippi, and I was born there and spent quite a bit of time there growing up. When I was in elementary school, I remember my Grandmother on my Mom's side getting up and turning off the TV every time (not often in those days) that a black person appeared on the screen. In the fall of 1970, when my Dad was in the hospital in Houston awaiting surgery, his brother, an architect from Laurel, Mississippi, tried to convince me that blacks and whites should have separate bathrooms in elementary and high schools because otherwise the blacks would infect the whites with venereal diseases. I could go on and on, but all this happened well within the past 100 years--I'm not quite that old yet. ;)
 
@Run Pincher , I was born white and male in Texas.

If you think a black male born on the same date and zip code has the same chance of success in the contest of life you might want to reconsider.

My life experience is much different than you describe above but I would start with equal education opportunity.
Maybe, but I can guarantee you the kids I worked with growing up in the projects have far more opportunity than the rural poor I've worked with. And there are actually more white poor than black poor. Black privilege is very real when it comes to college entry and hiring in corporate America.
 
@Run Pincher If you substituted Native American Indian for Blacks in your post would the statements and conclusions you make be any different?

They were conquered by military force, restricted civil rights, restricted opportunity by law and had the property rights removed.

The survivors did anyway.

How has the racial group fared in the US in your opinion?
 
My Mom's and Dad's families are both from Mississippi, and I was born there and spent quite a bit of time there growing up. When I was in elementary school, I remember my Grandmother on my Mom's side getting up and turning off the TV every time (not often in those days) that a black person appeared on the screen. In the fall of 1970, when my Dad was in the hospital in Houston awaiting surgery, his brother, an architect from Laurel, Mississippi, tried to convince me that blacks and whites should have separate bathrooms in elementary and high schools because otherwise the blacks would infect the whites with venereal diseases. I could go on and on, but all this happened well within the past 100 years--I'm not quite that old yet. ;)
That is very sad, but in contrast every every racist like that I bet there's 2-3x as many in the north going out of their way to help disadvantaged blacks, but they are still being told by their race to take it easy at just take your welfare.
 
@Run Pincher If you substituted Native American Indian for Blacks in your post would the statements and conclusions you make be any different?

They were conquered by military force, restricted civil rights, restricted opportunity by law and had the property rights removed.

The survivors did anyway.

How has the racial group fared in the US in your opinion?
I haven't had enough experience working with Native Americans to make a comment, but I think what was done to them by our government is despicable.
 
You're speaking of indoctrination here. Not patriotism.
You want our citizens to be Pavlovs dog.
At the raising of a certain piece of cloth or playing of a certain song, they should be ready to kill or be killed regardless of the worth of their actions.
To me, loving your country means being able to see the problems within it and doing your best to rectify them.
I've been told to "Love it or leave it" since I protested the Vietnam war at 17 years old.
I'll continue to love it and try to change it for what I perceive to be the better.



I don't think you can say you know what it's like to grow up and live as a black person in this country.
They were slaves for 200 years. Beaten, raped and sold like cattle.
Even after that they were segregated and couldn't vote, drink out of "white" water fountains. Eat in the same restaurants.
Young black men were lynched in the south for so much as whistling at a white woman.
This was but a short 70 years or so ago.
But. oh, this country has given them so much. [sarc]
Forget about all that other stuff. Look how great you have it now.
And if you don't think that 300 or so years of slavery, segregation, and oppression didn't contribute to the mindset of some of the black community leading to fatherless families, etc., then you are in denial.
Yes, they need to help themselves. But they deserve our help and participation.
Black men, women and children are killed during altercations with police and it is said" Well they resisted or look at their past record, they deserved it".
A 17 year old white kid shoots three people with an assault rifle and Don Jr. says "Cmon, what 17 year old hasn't made a mistake?".
I don't think anybody is saying that systemic racism is leaking from every pore of our society.
But it is there.
I think especially in our system of justice.
Was he not defending himself from assailants?
 
Indians (as I've said before neither I nor anyone in my family is hyphenated) are still being screwed by the federal government.

Example: One tribe has fewer than 1000 members. Their business venture has made about $400 million a year for about 30 years. Members of the tribe get $3750 a month. The rest is in Albuquerque where the banks across the country call for funds when they are short on cash reserve.
 
Geez man do you have to put that little smirking yellow **** on every post you make?
Sorry, I switched from the smirk (actually, I think it may be a wink) to a full smile at another poster's request a few minutes ago, but then promptly forgot. Here you go. :)
 
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I haven't had enough experience working with Native Americans to make a comment, but I think what was done to them by our government is despicable.
You have the ability to observe how Native American Indians have fared since the arrival of the Europeans 600 years ago.
They populated the majority of the now 50 US states before we were a country.
They lived in the same areas as the European and later American settlers that were our forefathers.
How have they fared in assimilation into American society?
The Military Government and Indian Affairs group were not the only Americans they come in contact with since the founding of our country.
I agree that the genocide perpetuated on their population was very difficult for them to defeat and a despicable act by our country.
Their entire history is written and experienced in our society.
No opinion on how they fare?
 
What I want to know is when will we know that we have arrived at equality?
So we can stop arguing.
One thing I've learned over the last 50 years is that you don't get anywhere without hard work and sacrifice and that's in every race.
 
They have had the same opportunity as every other race for over 100 years now, and much better opportunity than most races. Quite making excuses and start achieving. Of course you didn't answer any of my questions.
One hundred years ago blacks were segregated and couldn't vote.
It's been more like 70 years since they have received the right to vote.
And, again, if you think 300 years of oppression and brutality can just be gotten over in the snap of your fingers and get on with things you are purposely deceiving yourself.


Was he not defending himself from assailants?

If you watch the video he is running and people are chasing and shouting "Get that guy. He just killed someone!"
So, yea, he was defending himself from assailants trying to subdue a killer.
 
Regarding the assertion that Blacks have had equal opportunity for 100 years now, here is one pdf paper on topic. I hope this link works. Please, let me know if it doesn't.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjhtbjqmuLrAhXMK80KHfRwCckQFjABegQIAhAB&url=http://eudorawelty.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Early-60s-in-MS-10-17-14.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1JhHsfhUh5hLW99doGtR6o

Here's another article Mississippi Journalists & the Civil Rights Movement

And I'm not picking on Mississippi. It certainly was not alone. Virginia, for just one more example, was perhaps even more stubborn when it came to resisting integration. Massive resistance - Wikipedia
 
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One hundred years ago blacks were segregated and couldn't vote.
It's been more like 70 years since they have received the right to vote.
And, again, if you think 300 years of oppression and brutality can just be gotten over in the snap of your fingers and get on with things you are purposely deceiving yourself.




If you watch the video he is running and people are chasing and shouting "Get that guy. He just killed someone!"
So, yea, he was defending himself from assailants trying to subdue a killer.
He killed the first guy who threw a malatov cocktail at him. That's fire. That's deadly. That's my understanding. If this is true then he should be let go!
 
Not saying you’re wrong, but you seem awfully sure of yourself for someone who wasn’t there.

The New York Times is hardly a. Refiner fisheRp to bade anything on particularly anything outside the city.
 
I'll just drop this one more time here. The sooner they all realize they are nothing more than a form of entertainment the better off they'll be. When you purposefully do things that alienate half your income base it kills your opportunity/job. Just ask the Dixie Chicks how that worked out for them.
 

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