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I suppose, but those people have so many other options to fill that void without switching to an electric car.
Your comment seems to suggest that there is some significant trade-off or compromise in “switching” to an EV. For those who do a lot of frequent long range travel this might be true (charging takes time), but for most people I don’t think it is.

Plug it in when it’s parked at home and no gas station visits.
 
There are still millions upon millions of people without the infrastructure to "fill up" a Tesla.

My refill infrastructure:

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EVs are not for everyone, I get it, but I think there are also a lot of misconceptions and general anti-EV sentiment that is not very well informed.
 
People who can afford a fun car will consider a Tesla. No one is taking their fun car to the Davis Mountains.
 
EVs will happen.
Demand appears to be pretty strong lately. Tesla just started ramping up production in two new factories (Berlin and Austin) and Elon recently said that global demand far exceeds their current production capacity (four total factories). There are other EV manufacturers, American and Chinese, who could also do very well if they can get the economics right.
And I know you are not saying stop all oil production and gas cars.
Of course. It will be an interesting dynamic to watch play out in the coming years though. If gas prices remain high more buyers will consider an EV. And if the charging infrastructure continues to be built out (it will) then “range anxiety” becomes less of an impediment to adoption.
 
Your comment seems to suggest that there is some significant trade-off or compromise in “switching” to an EV. For those who do a lot of frequent long range travel this might be true (charging takes time), but for most people I don’t think it is.

Plug it in when it’s parked at home and no gas station visits.

For daily driving around your home, I can see why the long charging times aren't a big deal. Just keep it plugged in overnight. However, what if you're on a road trip and need to be able to drive a long distance? You can't just fill up and go.

I also speculate (don't really know) that EVs would be expensive and a hassle to maintain and/or repair if anything breaks or goes wrong.

if the charging infrastructure continues to be built out (it will) then “range anxiety” becomes less of an impediment to adoption.

To me, the big change will be if they figure out how to efficiently and quickly exchange batteries. That would end the charging issue.
 
Dion, how would you describe the upfront price for the Tesla you bought. More than, equal to, or less than a ICE car of similar specs.
 
To me, the big change will be if they figure out how to efficiently and quickly exchange batteries.
Battery swap is not happening at scale. The innovation will be in faster charging battery tech.
Dion, how would you describe the upfront price for the Tesla you bought. More than, equal to, or less than a ICE car of similar specs.
More, of course. It’s early in the development lifetime of the technology.
 
There are concerns over batteries spontaneously combusting.
Many here is USA but France just took all of their EV buses out of service due to EV buses exploding into fire.
 
I also speculate (don't really know) that EVs would be expensive and a hassle to maintain and/or repair if anything breaks or goes wrong.
This is their biggest selling point: no oil changes, no transmission, no coolant, no water pump, no belts, etc. Less moving parts in general.
 
My refill infrastructure:

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EVs are not for everyone, I get it, but I think there are also a lot of misconceptions and general anti-EV sentiment that is not very well informed.
Last time I read about home charging stations you had to install something bigger than a 110 outlet, and it was recommended to be on a dedicated circuit.
Has that changed?
 
Maybe, and I'm sure most of them would buy a Tesla before they'd buy a Prius, but it's hard to imagine them switching to an electric car unless they're pretty committed to the environmental cause, and that's going to be lefties.
The problem is time, I can fill up and go. E has to wait an hour.
 
This is their biggest selling point: no oil changes, no transmission, no coolant, no water pump, no belts, etc. Less moving parts in general.

That's true, and that's a definite upside. However, there are still plenty of things to go wrong - heating and air conditioning, brakes, suspension, drivetrain (or whatever they call the system that connects the power source to the wheels), etc. When they do, are you pretty much stuck with one source for parts and service (which means you'll get butt-slammed), or do you have options? Also, I would imagine the battery will eventually stop working properly like every battery does. How long do they last, and what's the cost to replace it?
 
Most folks have 220 installed in their garage and don’t know it.

Yeah, I think most outlets for ovens and dryers are 220V. The plugs are different.

Of course, every outlet in my house is 220V, and I have to plug in a big, heavy transformer if I need 110V power.
 
Last time I read about home charging stations you had to install something bigger than a 110 outlet, and it was recommended to be on a dedicated circuit.
The charger that came with the car runs on the 220 outlet in my garage. It is a slow charge but works fine for me right now. You’re right about the dedicated 60 amp circuit to install the fast charger.
The problem is time, I can fill up and go. E has to wait an hour.
The charger on a dedicated circuit is actually pretty quick, maybe closer to a half hour for a full charge, which wouldn’t be required very often. Charge rates will improve over time as the battery tech gets better. I have used Tesla’s Supercharger at the HEB a couple times and it was fast.
 
I would imagine the battery will eventually stop working properly like every battery does. How long do they last, and what's the cost to replace it?
I don’t know but anecdotally I have seen reports of 300,000+ miles, and there is going to be some degradation over time. I’ve seen one report that the battery will retain over 80% of its capacity after 200k miles, which is pretty good if true.

Aside: I feel like I’m the “EV Guy” here now among a mostly anti-EV set. :whiteflag:

For what it’s worth, I don’t think of myself as an environmentalist so that’s not a factor for me. I drove my brother in law’s Tesla Model 3 a few years ago and liked it a lot and have wanted one ever since. My wife and I really enjoy the Model Y and it is just a car, not a statement.
 
How does that work? Payment, I mean. Do you pay right there with a card, like you would for gas? Do you get charged by the minute, by the amount of juice delivered?
You have a Tesla account and app with a card on file. When you plug in the charger recognizes the vehicle and bills the card. Cost is by kWh which is $.29 at my HEB Supercharger and about $.12 at home, I think. So you just plug in, charge up, unplug and leave.
 
For daily driving around your home, I can see why the long charging times aren't a big deal. Just keep it plugged in overnight. However, what if you're on a road trip and need to be able to drive a long distance? You can't just fill up and go.

I also speculate (don't really know) that EVs would be expensive and a hassle to maintain and/or repair if anything breaks or goes wrong.



To me, the big change will be if they figure out how to efficiently and quickly exchange batteries. That would end the charging issue.
much of this is only 2-3 years off. many manufacturers are switching from 400v to 800v which allows faster charging and there are already tests that show some of the vehicles/batteries can be 80% recharged in 15 min. it's true, there are challenges still but most of them are being solved.
 
I don’t know but anecdotally I have seen reports of 300,000+ miles, and there is going to be some degradation over time. I’ve seen one report that the battery will retain over 80% of its capacity after 200k miles, which is pretty good if true.

Aside: I feel like I’m the “EV Guy” here now among a mostly anti-EV set. :whiteflag:

For what it’s worth, I don’t think of myself as an environmentalist so that’s not a factor for me. I drove my brother in law’s Tesla Model 3 a few years ago and liked it a lot and have wanted one ever since. My wife and I really enjoy the Model Y and it is just a car, not a statement.
My former boss wants the truck. Not an ev guy.
 
I can think of some marketing campaigns for guys who like trucks and stuff to make it more popular. For example, combine charging stations with Thai massage parlors. “Put a charge into it”, if you know what I mean.
 

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