TRUMP BETRAYS ALLY
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Joe Fan
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I think I may be gender confused on this one
Joe Fan
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Interesting aerial battles between Russia and Turkey are possible
Russia still owes them one plane
Joe Fan
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OK, maybe you are right on this, perhaps I misread your intention with this thread
Joe Fan
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That is an amazingly low bar
Anyway, I think you have it backwards. The issue is not that maybe 1 in 1000 is correct but rather the cumulative effect of each new daily outrage. There has already been so much fake daily faux outrage that no one has any legitimate outrage left. We have reached and passed the outrage satiation point. We are desensitized.
And isnt this also the more general problem for the Dems approach to Trump from the outset? They have been wrong on so many of their dire predictions that even if they stumble into one now, no one believes them any more?
In his "great and unmatched wisdom." You forgot to mention that.
Joe Fan
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Is Turkey an ally?
Seattle Husker
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JoeFan surely must see the irony behind this statement and his posts.
Seattle Husker
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Monahorns was correct about the Kurds running into the arms of Assad. I didn't think it could happen but I was wrong. Evidently, the threat of total annihilation makes strange bedfellows. Just needed to give credit where it's due.
But I don't operate in that world. Even though I didn't vote for Trump, I don't have an anti-Trump agenda. I'm not in the "Resistance." Like I said before, I judge each action he takes on its own. I'll criticize him when he's wrong and commend him when he's right. Every President deserves that courtesy, and it's the right and patriotic thing to do. What partisan hacks and a discredited media choose to do isn't my concern and has no bearing on my judgment whatsoever. I could not care less.
Yes, this is true. Their biggest hurdle in taking on Trump is getting people to take their outrage seriously. If you spend 3 years crapping in your pants and almost always about something that is either blatantly false, highly misleading even if somewhat true, or just blown wildly out of proportion, eventually fair-minded people will tune you out and let you sit in your own trouser chili.
In Joe's defense, sometimes it's hard to tell from a name. I've since figured out that you are a dude, but early on I wasn't sure because somebody in a thread kept calling you Mona. For most people here, I assume they're men. Political discussion boards are largely sausage fests.
Somehow putting that in context I found funny.
LongestHorn
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Has JoeFan ever been mistaken for a man?
"Josephine?"
LongestHorn
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BevoJoe
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^^^^This.
That was part of the terms of surrender ... we provide defense for Japan ... and for Germany/SoKo ... they are the cannon fodder while we mobilize the rest of our troops with airlift. ... including the CRAF.
50 troops isn't much fodder.
Deez insists Turkey would have backed down, but admitted it was a risk. It was a much higher risk, IMO, than he attributed ... but still a risk. What's the risk-reward on that? Like agreein to arm wrestle your sister ... unlikely to lose, but what do you gain? If you DO lose? wow.
There's change coming to the ME which most of us are either denying or are simply ignorant. I don't fault the movement of those 50 troops given the bigger picture.
LongestHorn
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Like biblical change or something more rational?
Seattle Husker
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That was my initial thought when I read that.
this may come as a surprise to you ... but those aren't mutually exclusive.
But presuming you're asking a sincere question ... I'll offer that the new alliance of the Kurds and Russia to stop Turkey ... who has an alliance with Iran and Russia ... is just the sort of primer to really "blow up" the ME in the coming months.
Seattle Husker
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Nah, that's clearly a response to what he now knows is a colossal failure in foreign policy.
Perhaps ....
reckon we can punch through the confirmation bias to give an honest assessment?
Seattle Husker
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From who? You or me?
By all reports, this decision by Trump was made against all knowledgeable advisers guidance and virtually on his own. It suprised even his closest confidants in the administration and Congress. According to Axios even Erdogan was surprised when Trump said he'd pull out on the Sunday night call.
LongestHorn
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I admit it has risk because everything in life has risk. Relatively speaking, this was a low risk. The reward? First, you maintain US authority in the area, so we have a degree of control rather than some combination of anti-American thugs and Islamic radicals. Having troops in an area matters. The difference between East Germany and West Germany was that the Red Army was in the East, and the US and British Armies were in the West. Big difference.
Second, a bunch of ISIS fighters don't get released and potentially murder innocent people including Americans.
What you fail to do is conduct a risk-reward analysis for the Turks if they invade, hurt our troops, and we take it seriously. The risk? Total defeat, Erdogan hanging from a rope, and Istanbul being renamed Constantinople (ok, probably not). The reward? None, because defeat is an absolute certainty. Our willingness to back down is the only reason they can enjoy any benefit from this.
Let's remember. We ripped Obama for calling ISIS the JV team and not taking them seriously, and by the way, we were right to do that. He clearly miscalculated. However, knowing what we now know about ISIS, we're letting thousands of the "JV team" get released from incarceration. What could possibly go wrong?
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