It's Trump that's the authoritarian. lol
Trucker Protests
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It's Trump that's the authoritarian. lol
Personally I'm not a fan of protest that seeks to inflict harm on the general public to get its way. Accordingly, I can't support the truckers' tactics even if I agree with their agenda.
However, at the same time if you mollycoddled people who were committing acts of violence as Trudeau did, I'm not going to believe your intentions are good when you throw the book at the truckers. If you thought using federal law enforcement to protect federal property was authoritarian but don't have a problem with summarily freezing the assets of these protestors like they're friggin Osama Bin Laden, I'm also going to doubt your intentions and your integrity.
There should be one standard. If you're harming others to get your way, you're bad. It doesn't matter if your cause is just or has some merit. But once the political class decided it was ok with harming others if it liked the underlying agenda, all credibility and moral authority was lost.
However, at the same time if you mollycoddled people who were committing acts of violence as Trudeau did, I'm not going to believe your intentions are good when you throw the book at the truckers. If you thought using federal law enforcement to protect federal property was authoritarian but don't have a problem with summarily freezing the assets of these protestors like they're friggin Osama Bin Laden, I'm also going to doubt your intentions and your integrity.
There should be one standard. If you're harming others to get your way, you're bad. It doesn't matter if your cause is just or has some merit. But once the political class decided it was ok with harming others if it liked the underlying agenda, all credibility and moral authority was lost.
OUBubba
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I guess I don't know who on the left is OK with harming property and people. There's an implication that if you're not supporting the Proud Boy's rolling on DC 1/6 style engaging in "legitimate political discourse" that you spit on cops and destroy federal buildings. Seattle and I are left of center. We have both said that if someone harms people or property that they should face consequences.
Musburger1
2,500+ Posts
Sounds logical, but unfortunately its not that simple. Wars are fought, often justifiably, with the foreknowledge that innocent people are going to be harmed/killed. At some point after exhausting all peaceable measures, to overthrow tyranny requires a great sacrifice. The question is where do you draw the line before taking extreme measures? When the media doesn't respond, the political process doesn't work, corruption runs rampant, and there is no justice, what can you do?
When the government fears the people, you have democracy. When the people fear the government, you get tyranny. To get out of that predicament....no half measures, and sometimes innocent people are going to get hurt.
OUBubba
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I work in a rural spot that has a main road from Texas to the NE going through it. There's a large lake that traffic has to go over and they've been one lane traffic since January of last year. If a car runs out of gas, has a flat, etc. there is a back up that quickly becomes significant. Cars were backed up 20+ miles in two lanes earlier this week. If I pulled my Peterbilt in there and let the air out of the tires to protest ANYTHING it would be towed within the hour and I would be fined. That's the expectation.
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Really? Lol. Should we go find all the quotes and tweets from people on the left condoning or rationalizing the riots? That's very, very easy to do, starting with Willie Brown's ex-mistress.
Only in Oklahoma. To literate people, the exact opposite is implied from my comments.
I never mentioned either of you. Seattle never defended the rioters, and he's an independent. He's not stained by any of this. You never did either, but you're a partisan Democrat, so you do have some of the stank though it's likely overwhelmed by the usual Oklahoma stank.
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When it is done without a modicum of due process because you hold an opinion contrary to the little dictator, yes.
Trudeau sees his political career circling the drain with multiple provinces having done away with their own mandates and with the mayor from Ottawa having struck a deal. So what was the little coward to do? He chooses to invoke a NEVER-BEFORE-USED Act that was not even used post-9/11 or when there were shootings on Parliament Hill. And he wants to harm, not only the truckers, but even the people who dare deigned send $20 to the funds that were established.
If you don't see a problem with seizing accounts and property without due process just because they hold a differing opinion, then you endorse the totalitarian and authoritarian narratives that have been advancing for a while now...
I'm sure Bubba would have been cool if Trump had declared martial law to stop the Summer of Love.
OUBubba
5,000+ Posts
Records rebut claims of unequal treatment of Jan. 6 rioters
Has Biden pardoned any of the BLM folks?
Martial law may have been appropriate in some locales. Portland for instance.
Has Biden pardoned any of the BLM folks?
Martial law may have been appropriate in some locales. Portland for instance.
You could just unmitigatedly condemn all the bad apples, but that's too hard. You have to put partisan politics aside to do that.
It's mostly not been the sentences that's the problem except in the case of the Q Shaman. Dude was invited in, walked around, and got several years. No violence or anything. Also, the guy probably belongs in a mental hospital more than prison.
However, the biggest problem is that many people are sitting and rotting in jail down there with no trial as of yet.
humahuma
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Please list all the BLM folks that have been convicted.
Let me add to this. Find me a BLM and Antifa member still rotting in jail from the Summer of Love waiting for a trial.
How many of the Burn Loot Murder fools have actually been charged AND convicted AND sentenced? The biggest one I am aware of was the murdering arsonist who JUST got sentenced to a term lower than the presumptive guideline. Arson and murder are barely worth double digit sentences to the Biden Justice Department...so that one got a commutation via reduced sentence without having even to apply for it.
PNW hasn't believed in prosecution...most get tagged and released, except without the tag OR consequence. Not even for taking steps to murder multiple federal employees by seeking to block them in a building the group of thugs wanted to set fire to.
Meanwhile, we see plenty of other VIOLENT felons who have been released with no bond pending trial and who commit NEW violent felonies, only to be released AGAIN with no bond. But a group of individuals who mostly did nothing but wander a hall are now in custody for more than a year, many on cases which will see a sentence of LESS than that period of time.
The Biden DOJ is not about equal treatment or due process. This is why Biden endorses the thuggish behavior of the cowardly little dictator to the north.
Should come from the state, not the president.
Seattle Husker
10,000+ Posts
Is the problem the Biden DOJ or difference between local DAs and Feds? Take Seattle for example, local SPD and DAs have managed the fallout from BLM protests. Seattle saw MANY arrests but the DA charged only a handful of individuals. Can't find updated numbers but in 2020 of the ~250 arrested only 8 had been charged (6 had their cases dismissed) and 110 were still under review. Based on what little information is public, the City DA has stated that they heavily leaned into first amendment rights when assessing whether to charge individuals. Clearly, local DAs were overwhelmed by the influx of referrals from the BLM protests. If I had to guess the DA focused primarily on major property damage but that's just a guess. One thing is clear, Seattle SPD, City Hall and everyone else clearly wants to move on from the protests as quickly as possible.
The difference between how BLM protesters are being handled and 1/6 protesters is 2 fold:
1. Local DAs vs. Federal prosecutors. The latter have immensely more resources, power and the laws carry greater punishment (an less relief).
2. 1/6 wasn't burning a car in the street, breaking a Starbucks window or graffiti on a storefront. Their recognized goal, what they were encouraged to do and attempted to carry out was to stop or delay the transition of power. They threatened to kill ("Hang Mike Pence"), severely beat law enforcement officers and violated the sanctity of our political process by ransacking Congressional offices. At least 12 individuals have been charged with seditious conspiracy. Based on court filings, some of the individuals being held had stated intentions to murder congressman based on social media, Telegram and text conversations. If there was evidence that BLM had conspired to murder the Seattle Mayor or Police Chief to you think that individual would be held in jail long-term?
Any rioter that physically assaults an officer, damages property or violates a law deserves punishment. The graffiti in downtown Seattle is out of control. Not all of it is protesters but vandalism should be prosecuted.
yes
OUBubba
5,000+ Posts
@Sangre Naranjada: So in this scenario would the local authorities be considered jack-booted thugs for towing my car and fining me for disturbing the peace?
Authoritarian, yes.
OUBubba
5,000+ Posts
Unreasonable?
Depends. A tow and a nominal fine, probably not unreasonable.
A tow, arrest and hold for a couple of weeks, freezing all your bank accounts and threatening to freeze the accounts of anybody sympathetic to your situation...yes, unreasonable and jack-booted.
Seattle Husker
10,000+ Posts
The government removing/confiscating automobiles blocking traffic must be legal whether they are Truckers in Canada or BLM protesters that had their cars confiscated by Seattle PD when they tried to block roads in 2020.
I don't agree about freezing bank accounts of local protesters. With that said, if China wanted to fund an insurrection I'd like to think we'd have the ability internally to freeze the assets of those individuals at the center. Of course, that should come with some legal process approved by a court. Stopping that money from coming in from outside the country is certainly in the powers of the federal government.
I don't agree about freezing bank accounts of local protesters. With that said, if China wanted to fund an insurrection I'd like to think we'd have the ability internally to freeze the assets of those individuals at the center. Of course, that should come with some legal process approved by a court. Stopping that money from coming in from outside the country is certainly in the powers of the federal government.
You need to put down the MSM flavor-aid and pay attention. This is far beyond a state vs federal issue as to disparities. The Biden DOJ has not even taken on the cases of people seeking to destroy federal buildings in the PNW...you know, a federal offense, especially when it involves efforts captured on video as being intentions to kill federal employees.
Y'all voted for your hug-a-thug local mismanagement and you deserve what you got, but sadly, it endangers people who DON'T want that nonsense. Hopefully the vote in SF yesterday is a sign that sanity is returning to the left coast and that voters are finally sick enough of the crap to vote the wokeists out of office and retake their cities and States...
There are MANY in BoP custody who didn't DO anything even remotely resembling violent conduct on January 6th. They entered a building. And if they had entered a locked building elsewhere in DC, they would have been cited and released on a personal bond. But because someone was in a hallway and did nothing else, people like you somehow label them as 'insurrectionists' or worse, never mind the facts of the specific case. Think for a moment about WHY the DoJ is fighting so hard to prevent the release of video...it would confirm that most of those people did not engage in acts of violent or aggressive behavior.
Y'all voted for your hug-a-thug local mismanagement and you deserve what you got, but sadly, it endangers people who DON'T want that nonsense. Hopefully the vote in SF yesterday is a sign that sanity is returning to the left coast and that voters are finally sick enough of the crap to vote the wokeists out of office and retake their cities and States...
There are MANY in BoP custody who didn't DO anything even remotely resembling violent conduct on January 6th. They entered a building. And if they had entered a locked building elsewhere in DC, they would have been cited and released on a personal bond. But because someone was in a hallway and did nothing else, people like you somehow label them as 'insurrectionists' or worse, never mind the facts of the specific case. Think for a moment about WHY the DoJ is fighting so hard to prevent the release of video...it would confirm that most of those people did not engage in acts of violent or aggressive behavior.
OUBubba
5,000+ Posts
Well, if a chinese developer pays me to shut down a highway then maybe they do need to freeze my assets.
Statalyzer
10,000+ Posts
It seemed to be the mainstream left position - on social media, among personal friends and relatives, on the news; everywhere I looked.
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