I don't know if the claim is true or not, but let's not act like it would be totally out of character for Iran to do something like this. That is a very effed up regime.
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I don't know if the claim is true or not, but let's not act like it would be totally out of character for Iran to do something like this. That is a very effed up regime.
Monahorns
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You have been conditioned to think that.
To him, we're a bunch of brainwashed dumbasses.
Monahorns
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Sure. They have done horrific things. But the 15,000 execution report has already been falsified.
My point is that if you hear a report about another country that is shocking, revolting, and sent out to evoke an intense emotional response, that is itself evidence that the report is most likely false and simply propaganda from the US regime to get you to hate some other country.
Bear in mind in another case, I believe that ISIS beheaded people, even other Muslims that didn't accept their rule. A vast majority of all people groups there didn't. It was common knowledge during the Syrian war. But the US media downplayed such reports and pushed the narrative that the US people should support the "moderate rebels" in Syria. In fact, there were no moderate rebels. The rebels were ISIS and similar radical Muslim groups which the Obama Administration and the CIA had funded and encouraged to attack Syria.
The report of marrying young girls, so that they get raped, so they can execute them was to support the complementary report that Iran was going to execute 15,000 protesters. Well, now the 15,000 protester execution has been falsified. Therefore the marrying and raping of young girls is falsified too. The only reason they were going to do that supposedly was so they could execute them as non-virgins.
So I have been proven right in my instinct to distrust outlandish claims about foreign governments, even while I still believe that they are authoritarian and want nothing to do with such a state.
Monahorns
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Regardless of how it reflects on anyone else. I have been proved right in this instance, and should cause pause in future instances.
Part of the reason I comment on these topics is to expose what is going on. Sometimes I use harsh, pointed language. I apologize.
Most of us on here see that we are being lied to on some subjects, like covid. So it is reasonable to suspect the deception goes much further. There is ample evidence to support this.
Also you don’t need to execute 15,000 to impose social control. Just a few dozen should do it.
Monahorns
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Sure. Where is that story?
Also, if the plan is to execute a few dozen there is no need to marry girls into a night of rape to prepare them for death. One story justified the other.
Just pointing out that peoples’ brains are so addled with virtue signaling that reason has gone out the door. Started under Obama and accelerated under Trump.
You shouldn't apologize. It's patronizing and frankly insults our intelligence. It's like telling the retarded kid how smart he is. We know what you actually think. You've made it quite clear, and you're not sorry at all.
Monahorns
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My purpose isn't to insult. That is why I apologized. It was clear you took my statement as one. So I am sorry about that.
Monahorns
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I agree with your statement even if it was aimed at me. Could you explain more about how I am virtue signaling?
But you do mean to insult. You may wish you used different verbiage to look more righteous, but the intent is the same.
Monahorns
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Going back to read the whole thread from Shayan, I would say I agree with everything he said. My skepticism was with the marry to rape to kill story and how it was necessitated by the 15,000 execution story.
It wasn’t aimed at you. My single point outside of what is happening in Iran is that reporting verifiable facts is lower importance to virtue signaling. Old paradigm was “if it bleeds, it leads”. New paradigm is “if it makes the reader feel virtuous, it leads”. Facts are secondary.
Mona
I understand better but I am still wondering what is the lie you think the CIA propagated?
I have not seen any media saying the 15,000 had been executed Or that they would be only that based on Iran's history they could be.
And there has been reporting in the past about girls being "married" raped and then executed in that order to satisfy Sharia law. That certainly didn't need CIA to suggest it as plausible.
I am trying to understand what is the lie.
I understand better but I am still wondering what is the lie you think the CIA propagated?
I have not seen any media saying the 15,000 had been executed Or that they would be only that based on Iran's history they could be.
And there has been reporting in the past about girls being "married" raped and then executed in that order to satisfy Sharia law. That certainly didn't need CIA to suggest it as plausible.
I am trying to understand what is the lie.
Monahorns
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I think the lie was that young girls were married to get raped to get executed. There were reports of 15,000 being executed. Then that report was falsified. The young girl story was linked to it. The whole point was to get to 15,000 executions they had to kill all the young girls. That is what the linked msn article said.
That was the premise of Shayan's tweet. He was saying the report was incorrect. So you saw evidence of the report. I never saw the original report either. But I saw the repudiation of the report here and on Twitter.
I can't comment on previous claims. I don't assume they are true, but who knows. They could be. I am skeptical because there is a long history of US media propagating propaganda in order to dehumanize people they want us to consider enemies. I can't say when it started but WW1 is a great example. They even do it to citizens. Usually when a conservative gets in trouble with the federal government there is an initial claim or child pornography or pedophilia. The claim usually doesn't stick. Sometimes there are formal charges that are brought. They usually get dropped quickly. Their intent, I can only speculate, is to get the public to distrust and dislike them.
The lie was the msn article. I have to speculate where the lie came from. But it had to come from somewhere in the intelligence community, probably the CIA since they are embedded in news media and have been steering narratives my whole life time.
Monahorns
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Looking at Shayan's tweet. He says there was no "commitment" to kill 15,000. So the claim he was calling out was not that the executions had already occurred but that the Iranian government had committed to executing them all.
The msn article said there was a plan to kill 15,000 or 14,000 protesters and to get to that number virgin girls were going to be married to jailers who would rape them so that the state would have Islamic coverage to execute them.
My language wasn't as precise as it should have been.
Monahorns
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I don't want any nuclear weapons to exist at all. The question always comes down to what to do in the world as it exists in a way that doesn't make things worse.
For example, if in the attempt to keep nukes out of Iran the US bombed that little girl's village and killed her and a 1000 others, can we say that was the right thing? If so, how many dead today justifies how many potential deaths in the future? How certain can we be that Iran would nuke others if they own them? These questions get to the idea of the ends justify the means and the greatest good, which villains have used to justify their crimes.
For example, if in the attempt to keep nukes out of Iran the US bombed that little girl's village and killed her and a 1000 others, can we say that was the right thing? If so, how many dead today justifies how many potential deaths in the future? How certain can we be that Iran would nuke others if they own them? These questions get to the idea of the ends justify the means and the greatest good, which villains have used to justify their crimes.
Who said anything about bombing her village? Sometimes you look for arguments where there are none.
Monahorns
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How are you going to keep Iran from getting nuclear weapons? If you can do it diplomatically then great. But if they don't agree, then military force would have to be used somehow. That is where my argument comes in. What military force are you advocating for? Or were you saying we should negotiate with them?
But you started this whole non-existent argument thing. Iran isn't trying to create nuclear weapons so why bring it up?
Not sure why you think they're not trying to create nuclear weapons, but I recognize that we can't absolutely stop them anymore than we could stop North Korea. Diplomacy is a joke with a country like that, because we would never trust them, and there's no way to verify anything. However, we don't have to help them get nukes by giving them money, and we can make sure that we're prepared in the event that they do get them.
Monahorns
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Reading comments from journalists looking at what the Iranians are working on. Nothing yet is a path to weapons. Iran states they are working on nuclear reactors for power and what they are working on is in line with those statements. That could change obviously. But as of now, I don't assume they are until I see reports with evidence.
The origin of the prohibition on showing women’s’ hair issue in the Middle East is interesting.
It might have something to do with the fear of tempting angels to rape human women (and thereby creating wicked half-human/giant/nephilim offspring as was done before the Great Flood).
It might have something to do with the fear of tempting angels to rape human women (and thereby creating wicked half-human/giant/nephilim offspring as was done before the Great Flood).
Monahorns
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Who knows. But I think the reason isn't too far from that. Read 1 Corinthians and you get the only thing in the Bible about head covering for women. It isn't the same doctrine as Islam but it makes mention of angels there.
Do you really think that if they're building nuclear weapons that they'll let journalists or anybody else see it?
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