The PAC 12 (and the B1G) Weigh In

[BevoJoe]

I can attest to quietness and no traffic issues as I've been squatting on your property the last 2 years. The fam just loves it here!

That's funny! But don't let my wife find out.

 

[dukesteer]

TRUTH!! My wife and I moved to Austin in 2009. Lived north of 360 on 2222, great views! Within 2 years, there was more building, so we moved out to Cedar Park. Then I got the call from our HQ to move back to Dallas. Our offices were in south Austin and the traffic on MoPac was gawd awful. Being back in Dallas, traffic was a piece of cake compared to the constant road work and messes in Austin. Too many people and not well planned infrastructure. We moved out here to Tucson 2 years back. Smaller town, only one major freeway (I-10) only about 1.1mill people in the entire SMSA and those are spread out. Phoenix is a lot larger, and is like living in LA or Dallas. Too many Californians and yankees from back east. Traffic is heavy all day, high noise levels, and so on. There is a lot to see outside Phoenix, so we go up for a day or two to hike the Superstitions near the Lost Dutchman Park. Currently, we are building a new house on a 45 acre spread to the west on the other side of the Tucson Mts. It's near where My grandfather had his private airport from the late 1930's to the mid '70's. It's quiet, not many folks and no traffic problems! Once built, if any of you guys are out this way and need a place to crash for a night or two, we're also building a separate casita in the back for visitors and you're welcome to stay. I'll also feed and liquor you up as well.

I have a buddy with a spectacular place in Stone Canyon, north of Tucson for those that don’t know. It’s a Mickelson course. Gorgeous development. We’ve looked at it a few times. The houses, properties and views are fabulous. But I’m just not sure. Hard to leave SoCal.

To me the folks in PHX are different, weird. Just a different vibe. But I do like Tucson.

 

[BevoJoe]

I have a buddy with a spectacular place in Stone Canyon, north of Tucson for those that don’t know. It’s a Mickelson course. Gorgeous development. We’ve looked at it a few times. The houses, properties and views are fabulous. But I’m just not sure. Hard to leave SoCal.

To me the folks in PHX are different, weird. Just a different vibe. But I do like Tucson.

Stone Canyon is a beautiful area up in Oro Valley outside Phoenix proper IIRC. The golf course is absolutely top notch! But the dues are fairly steep. Great view of the mountains as well. Yes, Phil Mickelson and some investors bought the course several years back and refurbed the whole course and clubhouse.

Also, I like Tucson much better as well.

 

[ViperHorn]

Joe,

New Mexico is the only state worse run than Colorado - don't believe me. ask Bruce Willis & Mel Gibson, although the latter will just sluff it off. Willis turned one of his characters into real life and got his money back after he tracked the guy down in Europe.

Every year, the BOR at The University of Colorado sends the NM BOR a "thank you" note for keeping CU from being the worst run school in America.

Granola Tech has no following & doesn't travel (don't want to put too many miles on the Subaru).

Utah State is BYU Lite - TCU & Baylor scream "NO".

I don't think the Arizona schools would move no matter how poorly they are treated. By and large Arizona school grads are looking to the major employers in SoCal for employment and only a very small percentage are successful. That has been the history over 50 years. The affiliation with the PAC somehow makes the administration think they are helping the grads' employment opportunities.

Normally I would be opposed to a service academy, but the Air Force has shown a desire to fill seats with air force members from "nearby" bases. The Irate 8 have San Antonio, Wichita Falls, Abilene, Shreveport, Midwest City, plus dozens more in the territory. Unfortunately, I was at that fateful Bluebonnet Bowl, when the Air Force bused in how many thousands of troops to fill the seats?

Sabre, you just lost the San Angelo (Goodfellow AFB) and Del Rio (Laughlin AFB) vote.

 

[ViperHorn]

Tucson > Phoenix by a mile.

 

[SabreHorn]

I couldn't remember all of them. There used to be a big one in Amarillo, where in the they trained all the Arabs pilots in the late 60s. 70s. & 80s. Incredibly long runway for them to try to stop on

 

[mchammer]

I couldn't remember all of them. There used to be a big one in Amarillo, where in the they trained all the Arabs pilots in the late 60s. 70s. & 80s. Incredibly long runway for them to try to stop on

The Arabians are at PNS now. You see them driving high end sports cars outside of base.

 

[Giovanni Jones]

I couldn't remember all of them. There used to be a big one in Amarillo, where in the they trained all the Arabs pilots in the late 60s. 70s. & 80s. Incredibly long runway for them to try to stop on

Hmm ... Amarillo AFB closed in 1968, so I don't know who would have been doing the training after that. The runway is insanely long, because it was built to accommodate B-52s. (When I was growing up in nearby Canyon, it wasn't unusually to see the occasional B-52 on a cross-country hop.) Anyway, it was a bit of a blow to the local economy when the AFB shut down and a common joke was "will the last person leaving Amarillo please shut off the gas."

 

[Chop]

Just internet buzz, but it’s looking more and more like the PAC doesn’t want any of the left-behinds. Not a single one of them.

ISU and KU might still have an outside shot at the B1G, but it’s just that—an outside shot. West Virginia, however, has a pretty fair chance at getting back in the ACC should they choose that route.

The most likely outcome: the Big 12 adds schools (Cincinnati, Houston, BYU, maybe even UCF and/or SMU). It may survive, just not as a “power” conference.

 

[BevoJoe]

I can attest to quietness and no traffic issues as I've been squatting on your property the last 2 years. The fam just loves it here!

Also, be aware:
1. don't leave any trash laying about
2. leave the wolves alone
3. There is a den of western diamondbacks near the far western boundary that mainly come out at night so be careful
4. Don't try to play with a mongoose if you see one, they are vicious and have a mean bite
5. DO NOT harm the saguaros as these are protected by the state
6. Keep an eye out for black bear and cougars as they usually come down from the mountains in the evening. They ain't pets!

Have fun!

 

[Chop]

IMHO, 3 schools are key as to whether the SEC eats the whole pie:

1. USC
2. Ohio State
3. Michigan

If USC bolts, goodbye Pac-12 as a major player.
If Ohio State and Michigan bolt, goodbye B1G as a major player.

If those 3 bolt to the SEC, the SEC = the Major Leagues, everything else = the Minors.

If those 3 stay, the B1G and the PAC can survive as big time players getting big time recruits and big time tv $$$$ contracts; combined on a roughly equal basis as the SEC. The population and tv markets support that. Of course, it would also help if Notre Dame joined the B1G. I think this holds, even if Clemson and FSU join the SEC.

Oh, USC is reportedly unsatisfied and could be longing for something bigger ...

 

[BevoJoe]

IMHO, 3 schools are key as to whether the SEC eats the whole pie:

1. USC
2. Ohio State
3. Michigan

If USC bolts, goodbye Pac-12 as a major player.
If Ohio State and Michigan bolt, goodbye B1G as a major player.

If those 3 bolt to the SEC, the SEC = the Major Leagues, everything else = the Minors.

If those 3 stay, the B1G and the PAC can survive as big time players getting big time recruits and big time tv $$$$ contracts; combined on a roughly equal basis as the SEC. The population and tv markets support that. Of course, it would also help if Notre Dame joined the B1G. I think this holds, even if Clemson and FSU join the SEC.

Oh, USC is reportedly unsatisfied and could be longing for something bigger ...

Interesting thoughts. Would USC bolt without UCLA? USC's away games, assuming they go to the SEC, would, in some cases, be all the way across the country. Same for the teams going out to LA for a game. Michigan and tOSU to the SEC. Great addition, but that's adding a lot of teams and for balance, one more program is needed, but that is only my opinion. On the other hand, the TV revenue would be good having USC and perhaps UCLA in the SEC.

 

[Chop]

I think Michigan is the least likely to bolt. They seem to care a great deal about academics, and the SEC makes for a lousy fit. On the other hand, aside from being on the wrong side of the Mason-Dixon Line, Ohio State would fit right in—football first. Playing in a Southern league, Ohio State would need to tone their notorious fan violence way down—except when they play Arkansas. Of course, they might lose their blood fued with Michigan (though not necessarily). It is also my sense that the B1G is on considerably stronger footing than the PAC. Ideas about a scheduling partnership between the B1G and PAC keep re-surfacing.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Still some deep seeded dislike from this sports columnist in Denver.

Keeler: Texas, Oklahoma killed college football…

Every school for themselves at this point.

 

[SabreHorn]

Great article by a guy in a broke state, working for a broke fishwrap, wanting us to listen to what is good for his school of choice, which has consistently entered into contracts they couldn't possibly comply with in a state whose legislature signs contracts that (for say $150 million) the state has no money to fund. (OK, they had $65,000 of it)

The Post needs to worry about the underhanded ******** in its own backyard. Why in the hell would the BigTen consider a broke school with arguably the second worst administration in D-1? They don't travel, have no money, very little TV appeal, but according to this moron would make a great match for the BigTen. Considering the intelligence level of the new BigTen Commissioner, he may be correct.

 

[Seattle Husker]

I think Michigan is the least likely to bolt. They seem to care a great deal about academics, and the SEC makes for a lousy fit. On the other hand, aside from being on the wrong side of the Mason-Dixon Line, Ohio State would fit right in—football first. Playing in a Southern league, Ohio State would need to tone their notorious fan violence way down—except when they play Arkansas. Of course, they might lose their blood fued with Michigan (though not necessarily). It is also my sense that the B1G is on considerably stronger footing than the PAC. Ideas about a scheduling partnership between the B1G and PAC keep re-surfacing.

Not a chance that Ohio St. leaves their Michigan rivalry behind.

The B1G distributed the most $$$ last year (or 2019?) of all the conferences at $54M/program. The Pac 12 gave out $33M in the '19-'20 academic year. The SEC gave out $45.5M in that same time period.

The SEC is estimating $74M/program based on leaked documents. If the B1G added USC, UCLA, OR, and UW they'd lock down the entire West Coast. Grab UA and you get Phoenix and CU for Denver. That gives those West Coast teams some Eastern exposure they've been lacking with those 7pm and 10pm EST timeslots and the B1G is now spanning the country. The B1G Network, the top conference network which all programs have an equal share of would be significant. Still think ND could slip into the B1G too.

What all this is showing is that low attendance low performing schools are getting left in the dust. One has to wonder about schools already inside the tent (Vanderbilt, Rutgers). The B1G would have to buyout Rutgers who owns 1/14th of the B1G Network.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Great article by a guy in a broke state, working for a broke fishwrap, wanting us to listen to what is good for his school of choice, which has consistently entered into contracts they couldn't possibly comply with in a state whose legislature signs contracts that (for say $150 million) the state has no money to fund. (OK, they had $65,000 of it)

The Post needs to worry about the underhanded ******** in its own backyard. Why in the hell would the BigTen consider a broke school with arguably the second worst administration in D-1? They don't travel, have no money, very little TV appeal, but according to this moron would make a great match for the BigTen. Considering the intelligence level of the new BigTen Commissioner, he may be correct.

Laughing because you stated earlier this is your alma mater.

 

[SabreHorn]

Graduate School of Business

 

[RainH2burntO]

South Waller.

Drove out there to buy a tractor a few weeks back

 

[n64ra]

Still some deep seeded dislike from this sports columnist in Denver.

Keeler: Texas, Oklahoma killed college football…

Every school for themselves at this point.

Funny to read an article from a newspaper based in the state that contains the first university to leave the Big 12. Maybe if CU hadn't bolted, the original 12 would still be in the Big 12 post-2025...

 

[Chop]

Funny to read an article from a newspaper based in the state that contains the first university to leave the Big 12. Maybe if CU hadn't bolted, the original 12 would still be in the Big 12 post-2025...

Yeah really.

And taking it back another step, maybe if Arkansas hadn't bolted from the SWC...
(of course, the SWC in its final years had more troubles than the Big 12 has/had)

 

[n64ra]

Yeah really.

And taking it back another step, maybe if Arkansas hadn't bolted from the SWC...
(of course, the SWC in its final years had more troubles than the Big 12 has/had)

Arkansas doesn't deserve blame for the Big 12's problems since they were never in it. While I would have preferred them in the conference over Baylor, it would not have been enough to save the Big 12 over the last decade.

Now for a fun 'what if' scenario. Say the Big 12 never lost anyone, but the other conferences found a way to expand to current sizes. I wouldn't mind adding TCU as team #13 in the Big 12 South and BYU as team #14 in the Big 12 North.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

What all this is showing is that low attendance low performing schools are getting left in the dust.

So, speaking of Nebraska ...

The corn heads need to be praying that the top few schools in the Big 10 don’t bolt for greener pastures. Or they will have to come crawling back to the Big 12, hat in hand, saying they are so looking forward to renewing their historic rivalry with Kansas St.

 

[Chop]

Kansas leaving the Big 12? KU to new conference reportedly picking up steam

Smoking this ceegar may be giving Jayhawks delusions of grandeur.

(then again, for many folks basketball is the #1 sport...)

 

[SabreHorn]

Will new conference honor KU's current Tier 3 BB rights?

Rumor is the BigTen, not PAC, but someone else has to drive the BigTen bus. The same rumor monger has State Penn going to the ACC.

Reminder that UNC takes in more basketball money than any other program and they are less than $20 million.

 

[p_town_horn]

Will new conference honor KU's current Tier 3 BB rights?

Rumor is the BigTen, not PAC, but someone else has to drive the BigTen bus. The same rumor monger has State Penn going to the ACC.

Reminder that UNC takes in more basketball money than any other program and they are less than $20 million.

With the new TV rights, the Big 12 may only get $5-$10 million in total TV revenue. A $15-$20 million basketball haul could be significant for Kansas.

 

[SabreHorn]

A $15-$20 million basketball haul could be significant for Kansas.

That's not additional money; what KU get now is about $12-14 a year. Compare that with the big schools taking that in for a home football game. Someone will be scrambling to find Mangino's number.

 

[Chop]

Someone will be scrambling to find Mangino's number.

So this is how Big Mark Mangino gets back in the game. I think he's from Ohio or somewhere deep in Big Ten country. If they have the balls to hire him back, KU will be instantly on the football map.

Oh, and this is the conference whose most famous coach is Woody Hayes. Mangino's grouching at players and hurting their feelings is par for the course. Sensitive types are not catered to up there.

 

[SabreHorn]

There have been some pretty damn good coaches through there. but most couldn't get quality assistants. Fat man is the only one that managed what he did.

 

[Chop]

Well, they are the school of Gayle Sayers, and they were stomping opponents' a$$es when Mangino was there. So, I suppose it can be done...