The PAC 12 (and the B1G) Weigh In

Chop said:
More ‘strategery’ from our pals up North in the B1G. (Rumors only thus far)

Throw a wrench in the SEC’s move to take it all over by stopping the playoff expansion.
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I believe that if each of the power conferences picked up the remaining members of the now Irate 8 (former B12), there would be only 2 orphans left, potentially Baylor and WVU or Iowa State.
 
Joe,

WVU has to buck hard for the BigTen. The ACC is a viable option, but if indeed the BigTen poaches UNC/UVA, causing Clemson & FSU to flee to the SEC, WVU traded one **** show for another one.

Iowa State is a natural for the BigTen and should have been there years ago.

Baylor has zero appeal either before or after the scandal. Baylor is a confined and shrinking fanbase of not much value. TCU on the other hand is a growing fanbase made up in no small part of Texas Exes kids and Aggies' kids, who could not get into Texas or aTm. The Frogs do represent a presence in the Metroplex regardless of populous' lack of interest. The Metroplex TV market is huge and given the option of TCU/USC or Vandy/Kentucky, TCU might win.

oSu is the sleeper. Their two largest alumni groups are Houston (thank you Conoco) and Dallas. They travel really well, and even without Boone, they have a really good financial base.
 
Doesn’t matter where you are potential tax revenue is all that motivates Commissioners or Alderman. Katy is already overwhelmed with traffic (exhibit A Grand Parkway) and destined to become the apartment Mecca of Texas.
In Tenn my once quaint lil community of Nolensville is rapidly following suit. Progress often sucks.
 
Nash,

If they ever finish the Brazos River bridge on I-10, Brookshire & Sealy will be quicker to Houston than Fulshear. Like everything else in Houston, the Westpark Toll Road needs to be doubled in width, but that will never happen. Then again, who dumps the toll road built to solve congestion onto a freeway that is shut down for construction one mile away? TEXDOT*

*TexDot - created by Aggie for Aggies, run by Aggies with Aggies; look it up in Webster's under "cluster", nothing better exemplifies the phrase.
 
Ha, only if they run HOV/Toll out that far. And only time Westpark is worth it is during the times it wasn’t intended to help, ie, non rush hour to and from Houston.
 
I think the Katy Toll Road on I-10 is far more valuable than the Westpark Toll Road, but then I only go South of Buffalo Bayou going to the Medical Center.
 
Blew a tire last week exiting toll where it becomes HOV only. Someone had knocked one of those blasted divider tube thingys in the middle of the single lane. Had no option but to go over it and it punctured my front right. Had to replace it. Not good.
 
One up - I was traveling outbound and a truck (was he supposed to be on pay lane) dropped a piece of angle iron; nowhere to go. Blew both front tires and bent one rim. Tow truck to Taqueria Tire on Hwy 6.
 
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Joe,

WVU has to buck hard for the BigTen. The ACC is a viable option, but if indeed the BigTen poaches UNC/UVA, causing Clemson & FSU to flee to the SEC, WVU traded one **** show for another one.

Iowa State is a natural for the BigTen and should have been there years ago.

Baylor has zero appeal either before or after the scandal. Baylor is a confined and shrinking fanbase of not much value. TCU on the other hand is a growing fanbase made up in no small part of Texas Exes kids and Aggies' kids, who could not get into Texas or aTm. The Frogs do represent a presence in the Metroplex regardless of populous' lack of interest. The Metroplex TV market is huge and given the option of TCU/USC or Vandy/Kentucky, TCU might win.

oSu is the sleeper. Their two largest alumni groups are Houston (thank you Conoco) and Dallas. They travel really well, and even without Boone, they have a really good financial base.
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I agree with ISU's potential to the BIG especially since the new coach is doing well and seems to have them on the right track now. The program that I think will not be attractive is Baylor, despite their good men's and women's basketball teams. oSu might be invited to the BIG or the Pac12. Tech, I see potentially in the PAC, with Kansas and KSU. Kansas to the BIG maybe? Their consistently good basketball might be attractive. Right now, I don't foresee any of the remaining four Power conferences adding more than enough teams to get to 16 members. But, who knows? The round of realignment is still in the early stages so the probabilities of adding schools or not are fairly wide open currently. This will be interesting to follow, and I'm sure there will be some surprises also along the way.
 
SabreHorn said:
I think the Katy Toll Road on I-10 is far more valuable than the Westpark Toll Road, but then I only go South of Buffalo Bayou going to the Medical Center.
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Guys, what do you think about the 241 toll road extension past Antonio Parkway to Ortega Highway? Hey, it’ll be faster to get to The Jewel of the Missions in San Juan.

Oh wait. That’s SoCal. Never mind.
 
BevoJoe said:
I agree with ISU's potential to the BIG especially since the new coach is doing well and seems to have them on the right track now. The program that I think will not be attractive is Baylor, despite their good men's and women's basketball teams. oSu might be invited to the BIG or the Pac12. Tech, I see potentially in the PAC, with Kansas and KSU. Kansas to the BIG maybe? Their consistently good basketball might be attractive. Right now, I don't foresee any of the remaining four Power conferences adding more than enough teams to get to 16 members. But, who knows? The round of realignment is still in the early stages so the probabilities of adding schools or not are fairly wide open currently. This will be interesting to follow, and I'm sure there will be some surprises also along the way.
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I’m struggling with this reality for the remaining teams in the Irate 8: How does the addition of “any” of those schools enhance either the PAC 12 or the B1G? I’m not seeing it. Perhaps it might represent a slight positive blip for the ACC, but that’s debatable.
 
SabreHorn said:
Joe,

WVU has to buck hard for the BigTen. The ACC is a viable option, but if indeed the BigTen poaches UNC/UVA, causing Clemson & FSU to flee to the SEC, WVU traded one **** show for another one.

Iowa State is a natural for the BigTen and should have been there years ago.

Baylor has zero appeal either before or after the scandal. Baylor is a confined and shrinking fanbase of not much value. TCU on the other hand is a growing fanbase made up in no small part of Texas Exes kids and Aggies' kids, who could not get into Texas or aTm. The Frogs do represent a presence in the Metroplex regardless of populous' lack of interest. The Metroplex TV market is huge and given the option of TCU/USC or Vandy/Kentucky, TCU might win.

oSu is the sleeper. Their two largest alumni groups are Houston (thank you Conoco) and Dallas. They travel really well, and even without Boone, they have a really good financial base.
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Agree with Iowa State. Iowa must have black balled ISU.

The $EC already have Mississippi and Texas Cow Colleges so if things blowup and need teams to balance out to a even number oSu might get another look.
 
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Wall Street Journal's financial rankings of college football programs--includes revenues and values (as of 2019 - slightly dated):

1 Texas
2 Ohio State
3 Alabama
4 Michigan
5 Notre Dame
6 Georgia
7 Oklahoma
8 Auburn
9 LSU
10 Tennessee
11 Florida
12 Texas A & M
13 Penn State
14 Wisconsin
15 Nebraska
16 Arkansas -- looks a bit high
17 South Carolina
18 Iowa
19 Washington
20 Michigan State -- looks a bit high
21 Oregon
22 Mississippi
23 Southern California -- this looks WAY too low!!!
24 UCLA
25 Arizona State
26 Clemson -- should be higher now
27 Florida State
28 Virginia Tech
29 Kansas State -- gotta be lower now
30 Oklahoma State
31 Kentucky
32 Minnesota
33 Texas Tech
34 Stanford
35 Miss State
36 Georgia Tech
37 Utah
38 Colorado
39 Kansas -- gotta be a lot lower now
40 California Berkeley
41 Miami of Florida
42 Texas Christian -- looks a tad low
43 Iowa State -- should be higher now
44 Indiana
45 Northwestern
46 North Carolina State
47 Louisville
48 Arizona
49 Illinois
50 North Carolina -- should be higher now
...
59 Baylor
...
68 West Virginia -- sounds a bit low
...
72 Houston

College Football Value Rankings - WSJ.com
 
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dukesteer said:
I’m struggling with this reality for the remaining teams in the Irate 8: How does the addition of “any” of those schools enhance either the PAC 12 or the B1G? I’m not seeing it. Perhaps it might represent a slight positive blip for the ACC, but that’s debatable.
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As far as value, they probably add little or nothing. Right now, the ACC is mostly a one team show for the last 6 years. Since 2011, FSU has won 3 conference championships, and Clemson has 7 and six of those were consecutive the last 6 years. They have 15 teams, at least for football, which includes Notre Dame in the Atlantic Division. They could add 1 program, but I've heard nothing about that being considered.

The PAC made a statement which seems to indicate they want to keep their "academic standing" high, whatever that means, so potentially, they may be staying with only 12 members.

The BIG could add 2, IIRC, but besides maybe Iowa St., who gets the nod to join.

So, the Irate 8 may have to play as an 8 team conference. If the Power 5 stays intact, does each team play a 7 conference game and 5 non-conference game season? Who do they add? Maybe U of Houston, New Mexico U, New Mexico State, Utah State, Boise State, or Northern Arizona? Adding four of those would allow the Big 12 to actually have 12 teams and not 10.

Lots of probabilities right now. We might not have a better picture for another year or two. Like I said, except for what we know which is Texas and ou are going to the SEC, the rest is mere speculation at this point.
 
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What if? Why not? Maybe if?

How about what happens if the "Irate eight" comes out and refuses to play Texas and OU this year and next, leaving us with a hollow schedule and owing money to TV?
 
SabreHorn said:
What if? Why not? Maybe if?

How about what happens if the "Irate eight" comes out and refuses to play Texas and OU this year and next, leaving us with a hollow schedule and owing money to TV?
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Probably ends up in court to answer claims filed by TV networks for breach of contract, may have NCAA sanctions and fines, AND loss of revenue by each no show team. Might be other sanctions as well. Texas and ou will show up ready to play and will most likely file claims against those programs as well. Not showing up is a "no win" situation.
 
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I didn't want to wait for retirement, so my wife and I moved back to Austin in 1994 from Houston. We built in Dripping Springs in '96 when there was only 1 traffic light in town. Just about everything I moved back to Austin for is gone except The Longhorns. I still have my season tickets. Our area where we live has been growing steadily and is now pretty crowded and it's only going to get worse, but we've been in this house for 25 years now, raised our kids here, so it's home. Maybe we might move further west when my wife retires, maybe not. My brother is thinking Austin for retirement like so many of you (he is in Houston) but he may see the same things you guys have noted. "Our" Austin that we knew when we both went to UT in the 80s is gone. My wife graduated Westlake in '78 (when it was a 2A school) so she's got plenty of "old Austin" stories for me.
 
Phil Elliott said:
I didn't want to wait for retirement, so my wife and I moved back to Austin in 1994 from Houston. We built in Dripping Springs in '96 when there was only 1 traffic light in town. Just about everything I moved back to Austin for is gone except The Longhorns. I still have my season tickets. Our area where we live has been growing steadily and is now pretty crowded and it's only going to get worse, but we've been in this house for 25 years now, raised our kids here, so it's home. Maybe we might move further west when my wife retires, maybe not. My brother is thinking Austin for retirement like so many of you (he is in Houston) but he may see the same things you guys have noted. "Our" Austin that we knew when we both went to UT in the 80s is gone. My wife graduated Westlake in '78 (when it was a 2A school) so she's got plenty of "old Austin" stories for me.
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TRUTH!! My wife and I moved to Austin in 2009. Lived north of 360 on 2222, great views! Within 2 years, there was more building, so we moved out to Cedar Park. Then I got the call from our HQ to move back to Dallas. Our offices were in south Austin and the traffic on MoPac was gawd awful. Being back in Dallas, traffic was a piece of cake compared to the constant road work and messes in Austin. Too many people and not well planned infrastructure. We moved out here to Tucson 2 years back. Smaller town, only one major freeway (I-10) only about 1.1mill people in the entire SMSA and those are spread out. Phoenix is a lot larger, and is like living in LA or Dallas. Too many Californians and yankees from back east. Traffic is heavy all day, high noise levels, and so on. There is a lot to see outside Phoenix, so we go up for a day or two to hike the Superstitions near the Lost Dutchman Park. Currently, we are building a new house on a 45 acre spread to the west on the other side of the Tucson Mts. It's near where My grandfather had his private airport from the late 1930's to the mid '70's. It's quiet, not many folks and no traffic problems! Once built, if any of you guys are out this way and need a place to crash for a night or two, we're also building a separate casita in the back for visitors and you're welcome to stay. I'll also feed and liquor you up as well.
 
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While I can't say for sure, Arizona and Arizona State might be very poachable from the PAC in the rear future. IF the B12 remains a viable 5th conference, taking them and adding New Mexico and New Mexico State might be a consideration, As already mentioned, perhaps Colorado, Colorado state, Utah State, and maybe the AF academy could be approached.

However, all this pans out, it will be interesting to watch. Seems like the SEC's expansion to 16 has shaken up College Football. Then again there is a probability that nothing happens and the Irate 8 disbands to join other conferences.
 
Joe,

New Mexico is the only state worse run than Colorado - don't believe me. ask Bruce Willis & Mel Gibson, although the latter will just sluff it off. Willis turned one of his characters into real life and got his money back after he tracked the guy down in Europe.

Every year, the BOR at The University of Colorado sends the NM BOR a "thank you" note for keeping CU from being the worst run school in America.

Granola Tech has no following & doesn't travel (don't want to put too many miles on the Subaru).

Utah State is BYU Lite - TCU & Baylor scream "NO".

I don't think the Arizona schools would move no matter how poorly they are treated. By and large Arizona school grads are looking to the major employers in SoCal for employment and only a very small percentage are successful. That has been the history over 50 years. The affiliation with the PAC somehow makes the administration think they are helping the grads' employment opportunities.

Normally I would be opposed to a service academy, but the Air Force has shown a desire to fill seats with air force members from "nearby" bases. The Irate 8 have San Antonio, Wichita Falls, Abilene, Shreveport, Midwest City, plus dozens more in the territory. Unfortunately, I was at that fateful Bluebonnet Bowl, when the Air Force bused in how many thousands of troops to fill the seats?
 
BevoJoe said:
Currently, we are building a new house on a 45 acre spread to the west on the other side of the Tucson Mts. It's near where My grandfather had his private airport from the late 1930's to the mid '70's. It's quiet, not many folks and no traffic problems!
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I can attest to quietness and no traffic issues as I've been squatting on your property the last 2 years. The fam just loves it here!
 
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