Texas at OSU 01/27/21

[BALL IS LIFE]

Charlie has been talking about moving on to the WNBA since this summer if you listed to any of the podcast she had been on. So she is gone after this year. Although tonight shows against elite talent she struggles. With all the new recruits coming in I dont see us getting any better next year. Another year of the excuse of us being a young team.

Exactly, just trying to tell these fans it’s probably gonna be a couple years to rebuild, like most have been saying all along. Just hope some good transfers come along.

 

[WCBBNUT]

Even on an off night Charli pulled a double double with 10/17. She was not our problem. She could have scored her average of 21 and we still would have lost.

Our problem was standing around the perimeter, not moving our feet, passing the ball hoping that something might open up. Whoever that team was in Iowa a few days ago, they were not in Oklahoma tonight. That team in Iowa never stopped moving - weaving, slashing, cutting. This team in Oklahoma stood on the arc and played hot potato. It was maddening to watch. You could tell by the middle of the third quarter that Vic had given up.

Someone said we aren’t good at defense. Not true. We just aren’t consistently good. When we are good, we are very, very good. Tonight we were pathetic.

I just don’t understand what happened between Saturday and Wednesday. OSU had to play Monday. We should have wiped the floor with them. Pressed until they fell down exhausted. For the life of me, I can’t figure it out. Very disappointing especially knowing they are so much better than this.

This season is beginning to feel a lot like Karen’s last season. Hopefully it won’t be as bad as her first season.

 

[JoeDallas]

Several problems. Horrendous shooting the biggest one. I agree with whoever above described Vic as set in his ways. The press got us virtually nothing, and it gave up many points on fast breaks for OSU. Playing ISU was a different story, because we are clearly more athletic than them, but not so with OSU. Why can't we ever have a team that mixes up defenses? It is such a smart thing to do. When Uconn went to a zone the other night against Tennessee, it shut Tennessee down a lot. But we would never do that. It was painful to see OSU get to the basket on layups over and over. It will be interesting to see if we can beat them in Austin. They are very good, but I bet they don't always play that well.

 

[JoeDallas]

I just watched a bit of Vic's press conference. He says we lost because we are "soft," "not tough," and don't have a competitive spirit. That is a simplistic analysis in my opinion. I thought we played hard, but could not put the ball in the hole. I think Vic needs to work on his X's and O's, e.g., stopping the press when it was obviously giving them points, using more screen and roll, changing up the defense, etc. It's more than just not being tough enough.

 

[utfannforlife]

A different perspective to think about. The pandemic has affected everyone but the difference with a team like Texas is the majority of these players never played with each other it’s extremely difficult to learn a teammates tendencies when you don’t have court time. It’s difficult for a coach to run a lot of what they want to when you haven’t had the proper court time. The teams that are beating them have chemistry they have played with each other the coaching staffs has all their offense implemented etc. To add to this it’s a young team, yes you have two players who played over 20 minutes a game but they were role players so again the lack of court time with their teammates coaches as well as each other in their new roles will create inconsistency which is what I am seeing. Elite players are needed? They have elite players now Joann was recruited by this staff. Charli and Celeste have represented this country I expect to see them both get drafted one day. Kyra played at Duke. I can go up and down roster and point out resumes that are equal to anyone coming in to this program. As frustrating as it may be it takes time to build consistency and a good team regardless of who’s on the court

Okie St starts two transfers as does tech, in addition to their entirely new coaching staff as well.

We’re dealing with problems that’s other programs are as well. And we just haven’t handled them as well. That’s just the way it is. Long term, I expect things not to ever be like this again.......but man oh man these growing pains sure do suck

 

[yelladawgdem]

"Great talent can almost always overcome lousy coaching, but great coaching can seldom overcome lousy talent".

Coach Don Van Pool

Coaches get way to much credit for wins and way too much blame for losses. Now recruiting, that is a different story.

 

[Jacob Johnson]

That is why I used the word “guessing” it will happen. Let me ask you the following questions and take your homer glasses off for a minute? If your Charlie do you pass up being the 1 pick in the WNBA and move to New York, especially if you want to be in journalism. Did you see Celeste play in the 4th quarter and have you seen her body language for most of the year? If you can’t see she’s having a hard adjusting to Vic and his system, your not watching closely. Lastly, why do you think Audrey is missing games? Use some common sense man. Like I said, I don’t know if any of these things will happen, but just be prepared. I don’t speak out of ignorance.

Collier is going to be the #1 pick regardless of when she enters the draft whether that be this year or next year so one more year is not going to hurt which I think she will do. Audrey is missing games because she is in "concussion protocol" that does not mean you have an actual concussion. It means you go through stages during this time to ensure you don't have one. A player must pass each stage before they can return and depending on if you pass that stage will depend on how quickly you can return and based on how fast Audrey came back, it means she is just fine. If she had a concussion she would be out much longer than she has been. Now as for Taylor, she is not a soft kid whatsoever. That's not how she was raised and she has never been that type of kid. She understands that when she messes up or is playing bad she will be coached. It's not the same Karen Aston days, this is a new coaching staff who is not having it. Jumping to conclusions saying she is leaving because she did not play the 4th quarter is basically coming for her character because she is not that type of player whatsoever.

 

[Jacob Johnson]

Okie St starts two transfers as does tech, in addition to their entirely new coaching staff as well.

We’re dealing with problems that’s other programs are as well. And we just haven’t handled them as well. That’s just the way it is. Long term, I expect things not to ever be like this again.......but man oh man these growing pains sure do suck

Those teams also have an experienced roster.

Charlie has been talking about moving on to the WNBA since this summer if you listed to any of the podcast she had been on. So she is gone after this year. Although tonight shows against elite talent she struggles. With all the new recruits coming in I dont see us getting any better next year. Another year of the excuse of us being a young team.

Why wouldn’t Texas be any better?? I think everyone is forgetting that Vic has only had this team for 5 months and has not had a full team to practice with yet except for a couple of days. We are in a pandemic so the little things that it takes to help build your team he can't do as he has said before. All the little things like team bonding, dinner at his house, going to church etc.. that's what it takes to build a relationship with players on and off the court so it's hard to have chemistry when you can't do that.

Texas with the talent we have coming in next season and getting a full summer workout with little to no restrictions will be in the top 10. Vic is an accomplished coach does anyone actually think he is going to wait 4-5 years to have a championship level team??? I guarantee Vic is laying it all out on the table next season. He's going to hit the transfer portal especially if the one time rule goes into play and he has in my opinion the best recruiting class in the country. So a full talented team with this staff will be one to look out for.

 

[hoopsalot]

Okie St starts two transfers as does tech, in addition to their entirely new coaching staff as well.

We’re dealing with problems that’s other programs are as well. And we just haven’t handled them as well. That’s just the way it is. Long term, I expect things not to ever be like this again.......but man oh man these growing pains sure do suck

Oklahoma State has a coaching staff that has been there for years. Maybe you looked at the wrong team. Coach Littell is in his 10th year and his staff is not new.

 

[brnkj]

It takes a couple of years AT THE VERY LEAST to start really seeing the results of rebuilding. This coaching staff is well-accomplished, but magicians they are not. Obviously there are lots of leftover sour grapes on this board.

 

[WBBFAN19]

Collier is going to be the #1 pick regardless of when she enters the draft whether that be this year or next year so one more year is not going to hurt which I think she will do. Audrey is missing games because she is in "concussion protocol" that does not mean you have an actual concussion. It means you go through stages during this time to ensure you don't have one. A player must pass each stage before they can return and depending on if you pass that stage will depend on how quickly you can return and based on how fast Audrey came back, it means she is just fine. If she had a concussion she would be out much longer than she has been. Now as for Taylor, she is not a soft kid whatsoever. That's not how she was raised and she has never been that type of kid. She understands that when she messes up or is playing bad she will be coached. It's not the same Karen Aston days, this is a new coaching staff who is not having it. Jumping to conclusions saying she is leaving because she did not play the 4th quarter is basically coming for her character because she is not that type of player whatsoever.

She will not go #1 next year, that is why she will enter this year, she will only enter the draft if she is #1.

 

[BALL IS LIFE]

B

Collier is going to be the #1 pick regardless of when she enters the draft whether that be this year or next year so one more year is not going to hurt which I think she will do. Audrey is missing games because she is in "concussion protocol" that does not mean you have an actual concussion. It means you go through stages during this time to ensure you don't have one. A player must pass each stage before they can return and depending on if you pass that stage will depend on how quickly you can return and based on how fast Audrey came back, it means she is just fine. If she had a concussion she would be out much longer than she has been. Now as for Taylor, she is not a soft kid whatsoever. That's not how she was raised and she has never been that type of kid. She understands that when she messes up or is playing bad she will be coached. It's not the same Karen Aston days, this is a new coaching staff who is not having it. Jumping to conclusions saying she is leaving because she did not play the 4th quarter is basically coming for her character because she is not that type of player whatsoever.

Never said anything about her being soft or judging her character if you read my post. Kinda being sensitive. Celeste is a great kid and some of us know her and what’s she’s about so no lessons needed. With that being said those scenarios could be in play and trying to tell you it might be a slower process than people think. Nothing negative about that, just facts. For what it’s worth I didn’t think it was a big deal post at all and wasn’t trying to start a debate.

 

[brnkj]

Post game

https://youtu.be/KNka5MboEO0

 

[WBBFAN19]

Can’t blame this on Charli!

Sure you can, she takes all the glory and pub when we win so she can take the blame when we loose!!!

 

[Jacob Johnson]

B

Never said anything about her being soft or judging her character if you read my post. Kinda being sensitive. Celeste is a great kid and some of us know her and what’s she’s about so no lessons needed. With that being said those scenarios could be in play and trying to tell you it might be a slower process than people think. Nothing negative about that, just facts. For what it’s worth I didn’t think it was a big deal post at all and wasn’t trying to start a debate.

I'm not starting a debate. I understand what you're saying but I'm just stating that Celeste will most likely learn alot from this season and will push her harder for next season. Let's just all see how this season plays out before we begin to talk about off-season moves or next season.

 

[Jacob Johnson]

She will not go #1 next year, that is why she will enter this year, she will only enter the draft if she is #1.

Collier will definitely go #1 next season. Nobody in the ncaa has the skills she has and I think you're kind of misreading her as a person as well. She is confident in herself but she is very humble. I don't think the #1 pick matters to her as much because at the end of the day her talent will speak for itself. All she can do is improve so if she is the #1 pick as of now then why would she not be the #1 pick next season with an even better skill set?

 

[FarawayFan]

A different perspective to think about. The pandemic has affected everyone but the difference with a team like Texas is the majority of these players never played with each other it’s extremely difficult to learn a teammates tendencies when you don’t have court time. It’s difficult for a coach to run a lot of what they want to when you haven’t had the proper court time. The teams that are beating them have chemistry they have played with each other the coaching staffs has all their offense implemented etc. To add to this it’s a young team, yes you have two players who played over 20 minutes a game but they were role players so again the lack of court time with their teammates coaches as well as each other in their new roles will create inconsistency which is what I am seeing. Elite players are needed? They have elite players now Joann was recruited by this staff. Charli and Celeste have represented this country I expect to see them both get drafted one day. Kyra played at Duke. I can go up and down roster and point out resumes that are equal to anyone coming in to this program. As frustrating as it may be it takes time to build consistency and a good team regardless of who’s on the court

Thanks, Oakman, good perspective. You can see it in the men's game: compare Kentucky, with it's touted freshmen vs. Texas, with a group of players that have been together, in some cases, for years.

 

[utfannforlife]

Oklahoma State has a coaching staff that has been there for years. Maybe you looked at the wrong team. Coach Littell is in his 10th year and his staff is not new.

You misread my comment. I said Ok State started two transfers. The new coaching staff comment was addressed to tech

 

[Oakman]

You misread my comment. I said Ok State started two transfers. The new coaching staff comment was addressed to tech

I don’t want to go back and forth with anyone nor do I want to bore everyone with a long drawn out post explaining every little detail when it comes to working with a roster especially a new one. The two bad losses were West Virginia and Oklahoma St. which I feel applies to my comments even with the two transfers. You still have the main players who understand what you’re trying to do. As far as the Tech game yes new coach but the difference again is Texas is younger and lacks experience at vital positions. Also with the lack of depth you’re putting freshman into situations that the coaches haven’t had enough time with them, usually you may have one freshman getting important minutes but not as many as Texas has. With a team like this I expected to see exactly what I have been seeing which is flashes of a great team but also flashes of an inexperienced team. Granted I have not watched as many games as most but I’ve seen enough to say I think this team as constructed has potential to be a tough out come March.

 

[TempestHorn]

I don’t want to go back and forth with anyone nor do I want to bore everyone with a long drawn out post explaining every little detail when it comes to working with a roster especially a new one. The two bad losses were West Virginia and Oklahoma St. which I feel applies to my comments even with the two transfers. You still have the main players who understand what you’re trying to do. As far as the Tech game yes new coach but the difference again is Texas is younger and lacks experience at vital positions. Also with the lack of depth you’re putting freshman into situations that the coaches haven’t had enough time with them, usually you may have one freshman getting important minutes but not as many as Texas has. With a team like this I expected to see exactly what I have been seeing which is flashes of a great team but also flashes of an inexperienced team. Granted I have not watched as many games as most but I’ve seen enough to say I think this team as constructed has potential to be a tough out come March.

This is a nice little narrative and goes hand in hand with our Texcuses strategy to justify poor play, but none of this is accurate for the current team. While we have four freshman on the roster, only 1 is playing and contributing right now. Two other are injured and not playing and the third is basically a walk-on playing in mop up duty. With the exception of Chevalier, the players getting the minutes are sophomores and juniors. If you want to spin more Texcuses, I suggest going with the one that they haven't played together and Covid keeps the new staff from working with them. Didn't seem to bother Tech when they beat us, but don't let that get in the way of a good excuse.

 

[Run Pincher]

If any WNBA General Manager drafts Charli #1 they should be fired on the spot, just like the GM that drafted Joyner in the 1st round last year. As I've said before, Charli still doesn't know how to use the backboard, just like Joyner. She either doesn't understand basic geometry or has no shooters touch. And since she's actually pretty good at mid range, and a really good FT shooter it has to be #1.

I don't know the last time a center drafted in the top 5 had a FG % under .500, but I bet it's very rare if ever. There was some coach somewhere that said potential just means you haven't done anything yet, but I can't remember who it was.

 

[Oakman]

This is a nice little narrative and goes hand in hand with our Texcuses strategy to justify poor play, but none of this is accurate for the current team. While we have four freshman on the roster, only 1 is playing and contributing right now. Two other are injured and not playing and the third is basically a walk-on playing in mop up duty. With the exception of Chevalier, the players getting the minutes are sophomores and juniors. If you want to spin more Texcuses, I suggest going with the one that they haven't played together and Covid keeps the new staff from working with them. Didn't seem to bother Tech when they beat us, but don't let that get in the way of a good excuse.

This one of the reasons I don’t post much here. I don’t talk negative about young athletes especially on a site where you can hide who you are. I’m actually not a fan of the team if we’re being honest. However I don’t root against them. I never once put any negative or sarcastic comment towards any one person or a player here so I don’t understand why you would feel so comfortable addressing me the way you did. As far as basketball I don’t have to pump my chest to show you my iq or my resume. So with that I wish you well and you can enjoy this site with your negative comments.

 

[TempestHorn]

This one of the reasons I don’t post much here. I don’t talk negative about young athletes especially on a site where you can hide who you are. I’m actually not a fan of the team if we’re being honest. However I don’t root against them. I never once put any negative or sarcastic comment towards any one person or a player here so I don’t understand why you would feel so comfortable addressing me the way you did. As far as basketball I don’t have to pump my chest to show you my iq or my resume. So with that I wish you well and you can enjoy this site with your negative comments.

My favorite posters are the ones that don't want to get in a back and forth with anyone but then proceed to respond to everything said about their posts. If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen. Your post was trying to excuse the recent play on freshmen. We have ONE freshman playing right now. Those aren't negative comments directed towards you they are facts that don't support your opinion.

 

[hoopsalot]

You misread my comment. I said Ok State started two transfers. The new coaching staff comment was addressed to tech

Ah, ok.

 

[kurupt]

If any WNBA General Manager drafts Charli #1 they should be fired on the spot, just like the GM that drafted Joyner in the 1st round last year. As I've said before, Charli still doesn't know how to use the backboard, just like Joyner. She either doesn't understand basic geometry or has no shooters touch. And since she's actually pretty good at mid range, and a really good FT shooter it has to be #1.

I don't know the last time a center drafted in the top 5 had a FG % under .500, but I bet it's very rare if ever. There was some coach somewhere that said potential just means you haven't done anything yet, but I can't remember who it was.

IMO it wasn't dumb to draft Joyner in the 1 round, it's basically low risk with potentially high reward. But I agree with you on Charli, she plays well against teams that don't have the height, skill, and size. She struggles, (at least with scoring) against teams that can match that. Look at her games against Baylor and other teams that matched up physically.

 

[WCBBNUT]

Sure you can, she takes all the glory and pub when we win so she can take the blame when we loose!!!

Charli takes all the glory and pub? How so? The after game media is determined by the stats. Usually the highest scoring player or highest combo-stats. Charli doesn’t make the call on who gets interviewed/attention. But again, she had a 10/18 double double in this game. Had she played to her average, we still would have lost, meaning others didn’t step up.

 

[TempestHorn]

Charli takes all the glory and pub? How so? The after game media is determined by the stats. Usually the highest scoring player or highest combo-stats. Charli doesn’t make the call on who gets interviewed/attention. But again, she had a 10/18 double double in this game. Had she played to her average, we still would have lost, meaning others didn’t step up.

Yes she's averaging 20+ and in half of those games she's had 2-3 players draped all over here. Last night she didn't. They were playing her pretty much straight up man. The #1 WNBA prospect should have had more like 30 points last night as the "best" player on the court against a defense that wasn't geared towards limiting her touches.

 

[WCBBNUT]

Yes she's averaging 20+ and in half of those games she's had 2-3 players draped all over here. Last night she didn't. They were playing her pretty much straight up man. The #1 WNBA prospect should have had more like 30 points last night as the "best" player on the court against a defense that wasn't geared towards limiting her touches.

So are you suggesting that we lost because of Charli? Because that was the case being made in the thread I was replying to. Charli was being guarded by a senior who is also considered a top first-round draft as well as the top blocker in the conference and she in fact did have a double team for much of the game.

 

[TempestHorn]

So are you suggesting that we lost because of Charli? Because that was the case being made in the thread I was replying to. Charli was being guarded by a senior who is also considered a top first-round draft as well as the top blocker in the conference and she in fact did have a double team for much of the game.

It's a team sport. Is it solely her fault we've lost - no. But is she contributing the way she should - no. Having 3 of the last 4 road games with more time being frustrated, pouting and producing an anemic shooting percentage isn't contributing to her team. When Joanne wrote "soft" on the whiteboard it applies to Charli (the "future #1 WNBA pick") too.

 

[WCBBNUT]

It's a team sport..

Agree. 100%