Terry on-the-fencers, how you like him now?

Monahorns said:
Yep. Elite 8 in year two even after he was away from the team for 3 months. His moral failure doesn't change that fact. He was the perfect fit for Texas who could have been the next great coach at Texas. Obviously that didn't work out because of external factors.
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Exactly. A proven Coach didn’t work out.
 
LonghornCatholic said:
Beard was proven. That worked out lovely
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Beard shat the bed in a big way.
On the other hand he did get Texas first NCAA tournament win in years. And he recruited great and worked wonders with the portal so that RT had an excellent championship caliber team to coach after Beard’s fiasco.
Wishing RT the very best in his new position.
 
I doubt we can understand the feeling and confusion in the locker. But we could see the team coming together as Coach Terry took control. I think Coach Terry deserves more credit than many give him.
Someone pointed out CDC was able to hire Coach bases on performance rather than emotion.
 
Beard did in fact succeed. Beard won our first NCAA tournament game since Rick Barnes and built an Elite 8 team that won the Big XII Tournament year 2 despite Shaka Smart leaving him a poop sandwich when he arrived.

Here is what we had when Beard showed up:
1. Andrew Jones
2. Brock Cunningham (only player still left in year 2)
3. Courtney Ramey
4. Jase Ferbes

Here is who Beard brought in:
1. Timmy Allen
2. Marcus Carr
3. Dylan Disu
4. Christian Bishop
5. Tyrese Hunter
6. Sir'Jabari Rice
7. Arterio Morris
8. Dillion Mitchel

You know who else Chris Beard brought in and hired? Rodney Terry. Beard assembled a great enough staff and team that could take over and win if Beard was not there.

Beard absolutely succeeded at making Texas Basketball great again. Beard absolutely left Texas Basketball in a better situation than he found it. To pretend he did not is disingenuous, especially when Beard coached 20% of the season and was responsible for bringing Texas this staff and team. Unfortunately, Beard's time and amount of success was cut short due to an off the court issue. Criticize Beard all you want for his off the court issue, but do not act like he did not succeed here or bring Texas basketball back.

As far as Terry, no one is denying his success or that he did a fantastic job holding the team together and winning following Beard's departure. Even if Terry does not win going forward (and assuming nothing bad happens off the court), I think Terry has forever cemented a positive legacy among fans after what he did this season (not mention his great success as an assistant as well).

It is really annoying that some Texas fans feel other Texas fans are haters or are trying to make some sort of "Beard v. Terry" narrative (by the way, in his press conference, Terry gave Beard a lot of credit and would not agree with pretending Beard does not deserve credit). Both were part of and deserve credit for this team's success. As far as Texas fans go, I have yet to meet a single Texas fan who does not like or support Terry. Not having full confidence in Terry after looking at Terry's heard coaching record does not mean someone is a hater or dislikes Terry. I do not see anyone hating on Terry here, but I do see posters critically evaluating his record and expressing a reasonable view that the odds are against Terry.

It is very clear from history that interim coaches who take over permanently in these situations do not tend to succeed. That said, most thought Texas would not make the Elite 8 following Beard's firing. Terry proved the doubters wrong this year, and I think we all hope he proves the skeptics (including myself) wrong again moving forward! If you are not a doubter, then look forward to Terry proving the skeptics wrong again! :hookem:
 
What is going to be frustrating is Beard will turn Ole Miss around in year one like he did here and we have to go up against him every year again.

That is no fault of Texas, but the blame resides in his corner.
 
I don't think anyone questions Beard's capabilities or what he accomplished in his short time here.

I don't think anyone is questioning what Rodney can do with a stacked roster.

The question is this: can Rodney stack the roster himself (with help from his assistants and current players)?

He contract is a bargain and he is beloved and capable.

I think we're good.
 
Htown77 said:
Beard absolutely succeeded at making Texas Basketball great again. Beard absolutely left Texas Basketball in a better situation than he found it. To pretend he did not is disingenuous, especially when Beard coached 20% of the season and was responsible for bringing Texas this staff and team. Unfortunately, Beard's time and amount of success was cut short due to an off the court issue. Criticize Beard all you want for his off the court issue, but do not act like he did not succeed here or bring Texas basketball back
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Please feel free to point out ANYBODY here who has done that, or even implied it.
 
Please feel free to point out ANYBODY here who has done that, or even implied it.
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See the thread title and last three pages. If you interpret the words differently, it is a free country. A proven commodity did, in fact, win.
 
One other point on Terry, while he did not succeed at UTEP or Fresno and we would all feel better if he had, I will note neither of those are good jobs. They are not the worst jobs ever as both have had some success before, but both are not good either. I am less skeptical of Terry's resume than, for example, a football coach who did not achieve much at Washington or USC, one of which is a great job and the other is in contention for best job in the sport. If I had to rate my confidence levels in Texas' big three men's sports head coaches, Terry would not currently be last. ;)

I am here posting because I at least have hope for the near future of basketball and baseball.
 
I chose to use hater in the title. How on God's green earth do you come to the conclusion from that choice that I think Beard doesn't deserve all the credit for what he did while he was here? It's a blatant non-sequitur.
 
I chose to use hater in the title. How on God's green earth do you come to the conclusion from that choice that I think Beard doesn't deserve all the credit for what he did while he was here? It's a blatant non-sequitur.
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I was responding to two separate points. Some called Terry skeptics haters. Others questioned whether the Beard hire was a success. You do not need to carry both on your back unless you choose to do so. I was joining a discussion, not making a personal attack.

Have a great day, and I am happy for your sons North Texas won the NIT this year. I have friends that played football at UNT and always root for them to win unless they are playing my Longhorns or Roadrunners.
 
With his recruiting prowess, and the portal, who's to say R. Terry won't have a stacked roster in a short time... (not necessarily next year)
 
Htown77 said:
I was responding to two separate points. Some called Terry skeptics haters. Others questioned whether the Beard hire was a success. You do not need to carry both on your back unless you choose to do so. I was joining a discussion, not making a personal attack.

Have a great day, and I am happy for your sons North Texas won the NIT this year. I have friends that played football at UNT and always root for them to win unless they are playing my Longhorns or Roadrunners.
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I have been in the big middle of defending Terry from actual, real haters (not on this board, thankfully) and skeptics here. Sorry if I overreacted to your contribution.
 
old65horn said:
What is going to be frustrating is Beard will turn Ole Miss around in year one like he did here and we have to go up against him every year again.

That is no fault of Texas, but the blame resides in his corner.
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Texas will feel his anger management issues once a year I think. :e-face-tears:
 
Sangre Naranjada said:
I have been in the big middle of defending Terry from actual, real haters (not on this board, thankfully) and skeptics here. Sorry if I overreacted to your contribution.
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The haters have crawled back into their caves, where they sharpen their dull Ginsu knives.
 
Chop said:
The haters have crawled back into their caves, where they sharpen their dull Ginsu knives.
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Is there a way to define haters? I mean, honestly I haven't really seen any haters.

I think he earned the contract minus one year, but i'll concede that year. On the flip side I'll say Ole Miss will win an SEC championship before Texas with Terry as our head coach. I'm skeptical of RT's ability to build his own championship team while Ole Miss has a coach who built championship level teams at two different schools.

Does that make me a hater or a skeptical analyst? I DO NOT hope he fails, quite the contrary. I want a final four team in house and RT failing would make me over 60 before we even think about being elite again. Life is too short to hope for others failure. So now I'm hopeful I'm wrong.
 
RT is our coach. We all accepted and will back him hoping for the best.

i think we all have moved on from the thread title.

i have not accepted the the elite 8 final,

my opinion, we were hosed by the refs. Posted somewhere, Miami did NOT make a FG in the last 4:44 but just shot FTs and EVERY damn call went against us, even when we finally got a call it was reversed to favor Miami.

the hose job actually started earlier.
Our lead varied between 9 and 11 when on 2 straight Miami possessions there were VERY questionable blocking calls when
Miami did NOT get their shoulder past our guy which is supposed to be the difference between a charge and a block, same thing later on Allen’s foul out.

several post state we looked tired, I think it was total frustration with the refs.

WE WERE HOSED AND I HAVE NOT ACCEPTED THE LOSS AND WILL NOT WATCH THE FINAL FOUR for the first time since Texas Western beat KY
 
My point was the Nostradamus’ here think Terry will not be successful, but the Nostradamus’ also thought Beard would be. Beard left us in this situation, excuses for him aside, and Terry did an amazing job in the Beard created chaos he was thrown into. He was prepared and legitimately earned this chance and we should all be supporting him.
 
Furthermore, no one, not a one of us, knows if Beard would have equaled or exceeded Terry’s success. Some may be guilty of assuming.
 
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Comparing Coach Wooden to Coach K is roughly akin to comparing Earl Campbell to Frank Mesina. There is NO comparison! NO ONE IS IN A CLASS CLOSE TO JOHN WOODEN!
 
Vol Horn 4 Life said:
Is there a way to define haters? I mean, honestly I haven't really seen any haters.
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The people I would define as real haters were the ones who implied that UT only gave Terry the elevation to interim HC due to racial considerations. The same people used Shaka as another example of hiring only on racial characteristics. None of those people have made an appearance here, perhaps because this board is a shining example of a very nicely self-policed community that is full of mature posters with better sense than to let that kind of dreck go unchallenged.

Those opinions made their appearance during the first couple of weeks after the coaching change, and faded away after we kept winning, but make no mistake, there was a really ugly sliver of our fanbase that showed itself.
 
Sangre Naranjada said:
The people I would define as real haters were the ones who implied that UT only gave Terry the elevation to interim HC due to racial considerations.
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Oh, I missed those comments. That's not my opinion at all and my critique of RT has nothing to do with race. The only black and white I saw was all those stupid records and statistics looking through websites. Sometimes they were even blue and red.....ugh. :idk:
 
Vol Horn 4 Life said:
Oh, I missed those comments. That's not my opinion at all and my critique of RT has nothing to do with race. The only black and white I saw was all those stupid records and statistics looking through websites. Sometimes they were even blue and red.....ugh. :idk:
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Like I said, what I saw of them were off this website, thankfully. However, those comments did animate my more forceful defenses of Terry, and I have apologized personally to one poster for conflating his skepticism with that attitude.

I will also make a general apology to anybody else here, if anybody else felt my defense of Terry was more vigorous than necessary. I hope you can understand where I was coming from.
 

Love Tyrese Hunter and not trying to sound rude when I say this but I don’t see him getting drafted with the season he had. He’s a 6ft guard who struggled to shoot the ball this season. I get he wants to get to the league but another year will do him good so I see him returning. I believe Disu might do the same as well but both should definitely return next season.
 
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