Sam Contemplating

moondog_LFZ said:
Chris Simms says hi.
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I am speaking of:
Dreaming his whole life to start at DKR
Multiple O Coordinators
COVID uncertainty
Not a “real” Sr Year
Players who protested/quit

I’d build a better case for Gilbert on line one saying hello than Simms, but only Gilbert being a solid second place contestant
 
NRHorn said:
I am speaking of:
Dreaming his whole life to start at DKR
Multiple O Coordinators
COVID uncertainty
Not a “real” Sr Year
Players who protested/quit

I’d build a better case for Gilbert on line one saying hello than Simms, but only Gilbert being a solid second place contestant
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Until this season, I don't think any player for UT has experienced the hate, anger and vitriole spewed at Simms by our fans.
I was embarrased by our fanbase.
 
El Sapo said:
Garrett Gilbert didn’t have a great ride either iirc.
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Gilbert was screwd by Mack.
I don't remember fans spray painting profane stuff about him on overpasses around the city like they did Simms.
He was treated horribly by our fanbase.
And yet he's still a proud Longhorn.
Says something about his character.
 
moondog_LFZ said:
I don't think any player for UT has experienced the hate, anger and vitriole spewed at Simms by our fans.
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He and his father earned a certain level of that dislike by the on field performance (or lack thereof), as well as their off field antics. If Mack Brown had grown a pair and told the helicopter father to butt out or take his kid and leave, there might not have been that level of anger.

While I never booed him, I can never get the picture out of my head of sitting in section 106 or 107 and watching Roy Williams and BJ Adams coming off the field so frustrated that they pushed the coaches away (Adam's guy fell down backwards). I really thought they were going to brawl with the assistant coaches.
 
NRHorn said:
I am speaking of:
Dreaming his whole life to start at DKR
Multiple O Coordinators
COVID uncertainty
Not a “real” Sr Year
Players who protested/quit

I’d build a better case for Gilbert on line one saying hello than Simms, but only Gilbert being a solid second place contestant
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I do understand where you're coming from and can't really disagree.
 
SabreHorn said:
He and his father earned a certain level of that dislike by the on field performance (or lack thereof), as well as their off field antics. If Mack Brown had grown a pair and told the helicopter father to butt out or take his kid and leave, there might not have been that level of anger.

While I never booed him, I can never get the picture out of my head of sitting in section 106 or 107 and watching Roy Williams and BJ Adams coming off the field so frustrated that they pushed the coaches away (Adam's guy fell down backwards). I really thought they were going to brawl with the assistant coaches.
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Well. I also remember these same recievers dropping passes Simms put right in their hands in the Holiday bowl against Oregon.
 
SabreHorn said:
He and his father earned a certain level of that dislike by the on field performance (or lack thereof), as well as their off field antics. If Mack Brown had grown a pair and told the helicopter father to butt out or take his kid and leave, there might not have been that level of anger.

While I never booed him, I can never get the picture out of my head of sitting in section 106 or 107 and watching Roy Williams and BJ Adams coming off the field so frustrated that they pushed the coaches away (Adam's guy fell down backwards). I really thought they were going to brawl with the assistant coaches.
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While I don’t know about the Phil Simms effect, I do know what I saw with my own eyes.

While Simms was indeed talented, as debated at the time, he lacked the intangible, the “it” factor. Applewhite had it. Simms didn’t.

Mack Brown’s handling of the QB situation in CCG game against Colorado should be a model of how not to handle your quarterbacks. As Simms melted down and completely lost his confidence for all to see with interceptions and fumbles, Mack hung with him, assuring the destruction of Simms confidence and psyche, and insuring that Texas would lose the game. He needed to remove Simms from the game for Simms’ protection, but Mack was blind.

On a side note and as many will recall, Benson and Mike Williams collided attempting to make the tackle on one of Simms’ interceptions. Both players were knocked out of the game. I will contend to this day that Benson was not the same player for much of the following season, still recovering from the neck injury he sustained on that play.

Back to Simms, he was a terrific kid and has grown into a true class act. I always liked him personally but for much of the time on the team, IMO he wasn’t the best choice at the position.
 
moondog_LFZ said:
Having a bad game doesn't justify what he went through.
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Simms didn’t have a bad game. He’s like the new hire with a ton of potential that never can learn how to do the job. He didn’t learn from any of his mistakes. Mack Brown himself gained that level of frustration with Chris when he finally put Major in.
 
majorfan2005 said:
Simms didn’t have a bad game. He’s like the new hire with a ton of potential that never can learn how to do the job. He didn’t learn from any of his mistakes. Mack Brown himself gained that level of frustration with Chris when he finally put Major in.
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And Major almost brought us back.
Buffs couldn't seem to stop us after Major came in.
And then Mack decides to rush the punter and we're penalized for roughing giving the ball back to Colo and they run out the clock.
So there was that.
 
moondog_LFZ said:
And Major almost brought us back.
Buffs couldn't seem to stop us after Major came in.
And then Mack decides to rush the punter and we're penalized for roughing giving the ball back to Colo and they run out the clock.
So there was that.
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But Mack’s failure to call no pressure on that punt does not absolve Chris’s pics.
 
dukesteer said:
As Simms melted down and completely lost his confidence for all to see with interceptions and fumbles, Mack hung with him, assuring the destruction of Simms confidence and psyche, and insuring that Texas would lose the game
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At Texas, if Mack Brown had been more results driven he would’ve played for and won more national championships. Yet, by doing so he would have disappointed parents and hurt players’ feelings. I think that’s the part of the job he couldn’t handle.
 
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majorfan2005 said:
But Mack’s failure to call no pressure on that punt does not absolve Chris’s pics.
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Not at all.
But the game was there to be won regardless.
And still, nothing Simms did during his time here justifies the treatment he received from fans.
It played the position handed him as best he could.
Played tough.
Still owns some records , I believe.
 
El Sapo said:
As a career, if Mack Brown had been more results driven he would’ve played for and won more national championships. Yet, by doing so he would have disappointed parents and hurt players’ feelings. I think that’s the part of the job he couldn’t handle.
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When we do get to the gate of one of those National Championship games, remind the head coach to play the best decision-maker with heart at QB. Also remind the privileged players to be humble and learn from the kid with heart.
 
moondog_LFZ said:
Not at all.
But the game was there to be won regardless.
And still, nothing Simms did during his time here justifies the treatment he received from fans.
It played the position handed him as best he could.
Played tough.
Still owns some records , I believe.
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No he didn’t. He was stubborn or incapable of grasping the things that Applewhite and Colt grasped even though they had less physical skills.
 
About Sims, Back in the day when you could stop by to watch practices I’ll never forget these two kids were enamored by Chris Simms warming up along with some of the other players and Chris by far was so accommodating to those kids very genuine young man
 
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NRHorn said:
About Sims, Back in the day when you could stop by to watch practices I’ll never forget these two kids were enamored by Chris Simms warming up along with some of the other players in Chris by far was so accommodating to those kids very genuine young man
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Chris is the most likeable guy I can imagine especially since his did was who he was.
 
majorfan2005 said:
No he didn’t. He was stubborn or incapable of grasping the things that Applewhite and Colt grasped even though they had less physical skills.
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So, you're saying he should have benched himself?
I watched him come off the field with a dislocated finger sticking off to the side.
He popped it back in himself and ran back on the field.
I would have loved for him to be more successful.
But he played the hand dealt him as best he could.
 
moondog_LFZ said:
So, you're saying he should have benched himself?
I watched him come off the field with a dislocated finger sticking off to the side.
He popped it back in himself and ran back on the field.
I would have loved for him to be more successful.
But he played the hand dealt him as best he could.
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Mack should have pulled him. Chris was stubborn. How did you go from my assertions to Chris should’ve pulled himself :rolleyes1:
 
I was one of those rotten fans that couldn't stand Chris Simms. He was great, until we needed him to be. The Rocky Calmus interception in the end zone, the pathetic showing in the conference championship game against a team we beat down in the regular season, and the terrible QB play in two Holiday Bowls.

It seems fitting that the last pass he threw in a UT uniform was an interception in trash time at the Cotton Bowl in a win versus LSU.

He never seemed to care about the school, traditions, or his team. I was glad to see him go.

- Mike
 
A lot of people forget that Applewhite had blown both knees out after the 2000 season, and the 2001 season was his last year, while Simms had two left (2001 and 2002). So it was neither a hard nor a different decision from what most coaches would have done - start Simms in the 2001 season. And he played well except for the B12 game.

Can't agree with any of that about Simms. The LSU win in the Cotton bowl was a good one, and my remembrance of it was that he played well.

The first Holiday bowl he threw very well - it was the WR's who dropped TD passes that hit them in the hands.

Back to Sam, I for one, hope he does not come back. He needs to get on with his life, either in the NFL or another career - I don't see coming back for a 5th year is going to improve his draft stock. He's at the level he's going to be.

Texas under the Sam/Herman combo is at the level it's going to be as well - 3 or more losses in conference. Will another QB be a step back - probably, but Herman either needs to swim or sink, not have a good QB drag him to 3rd place in conference, then have him babble nonsense about "being in the B12 conversation in December" - one of the most pitiful statements I've heard from a loser coach.
 
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