Russia attacking Ukraine 2/16?
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AC
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Obviously this video is not too recent. This is likely from the 2014-2016 time frame. He is talking to the puppet regime supporters whom the deep state installed back then. They (Azoz Regime) are part of this Neo Nazi puppet regime installed at that time. Since then the bio labs popped up all over Russia's border. Ukraine, Goergia.
Same thing happened in Taiwan on China's border.
Same thing happened in Taiwan on China's border.
Seattle Husker
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Yeah, we know how accurate your "facts" have been over the last few years. I'll put my record against yours any day of the week.
How about we do a poll here on how many people here think you're a waste of human flesh?
In all seriousness though how utterly immature does somebody have to be to want to do a poll like you suggested?
AC
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I don't know your history. I have spent over a month in Russia. Moscow, St. Petersburg, Magadan, Ola. My daughters were adopted from Russia. I hate communism so I must view facts differently than you do. Socialism is a half step away from communism. Socialists ignore authoritarianism. I have seen that from other socialists. I assume your cozy with socialism. But yes, John McCain was a traitor.
Seattle Husker
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I'll refrain from commenting but the grief you took yesterday for being so wrong typically would leave someone from wanting more. Be honest...are you a masochist?
He claimed "facts" then posted a conspiracy theory. Language usage is important. He's flippantly throwing around traitor for a genuine POW, someone who endured more hardship for the US than anyone on this board. That should make the bar for "traitor" high, moreso that a conspiracy theory.
You mean that article that took a few sentences of what Gableman said and left out the rest that contradicts what he just said? If you want to take a victory lap on that be my guest. You need all the wins you can get with your win-loss record. If you were a football team you'd be a backwater division III team.
Cool, disagree with what he said but don't ask to do a poll. We're not a bunch of 5th graders doing a popularity contest.
Seattle Husker
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Seattle Husker
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That's progress. It is actually OK to say you were mistaken. To err is human, right?
He said he had "facts" to support. Have you known AC to post facts based on his posting history here? Aren't we all here to learn a little more? If he has "facts" to support McCain is a traitor I'd like to see them. If he has theories based on some random internet poster then wouldn't he be better served to learn that what he's claiming isn't a fact but rather a theory, or in your case more often than not a claim? You may consider it a 5th grade activity but that might just be where you are on the debate curve.
AC
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If there really are Neo Nazis or a puppet regime working against Ukraine citizens and McCain was “with them”. Those who built the Labs ( some are US citizens), operated the money laundering schemes in Ukraine, and McCain was “ with them”. More facts will come out on this. Truth Social. Anyone “with them@ is a traitor. MSM is lying to us all about Ukraine. It could take a while for that to be obvious. Did alot of you think Covid 19 was from bats and deadly if we didn’t take the vaccine? Yes, because MSM said so. Same thing on Ukraine. Moral here is don’t trust the media.
Seattle Husker
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Azov Battalion is based in Mariupol, not Kyiv where McCain was speaking. In ~2016 when he made that trip to Ukraine the government had granted this militia of <1k National Guard status. They absolutely do have a Neo-Nazi foundation but were rewarded for some battle they won in keeping the Russian back rebels of Donetsk region out of Mariupol. You're aware that the DPR, the governing party Donetsk is also tightly aligned with a Neo-Nazi group, right? The Russian National Unity party (RNU) which also carries an extremist right wing label. As an aside, standing with the ~40M people of Ukraine should hardly assume one stands with the ~1k Azov Battalion. I'm certain McCain would agree if he were living.
You do realize this isn't a fact right? That's a claim and throwing on the nefarious "with them" doesn't give any more veracity to the claim. I get these labs are very important to you right now and may be central to your current conspiratorial beliefs but you'll need more more detail before they are truly facts.
Is everyone who doesn't believe the claims a "them" and a "traitor"?
No, I didn't say I was wrong. I've admitted to being wrong before but I won't here because I know I'm right.
If you think doing a childish popularity contest should be part of the debate then I don't know what to tell you except that you're dead wrong.
Seattle Husker
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Seattle Husker
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A Sky News crew that claims they were attacked by Russians Saboteurs. Whomever was firing at them were committing war crimes. Journalists are classified as civilians under the Geneva Convention. Their body armor saves them as they took at least 3 bullets.
Sky News article:
Sky News team's harrowing account of their violent ambush in Ukraine this week
Sky News article:
Sky News team's harrowing account of their violent ambush in Ukraine this week
Monahorns
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No. But he was war mad and a danger to our country.
Monahorns
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AC. There is also a Rand report from 2017 outlining how to economically harm Russia. I'm not sure how much was implemented. But it is clear that those in power have been working to harm Russia for years now. I think money laundering or economic ties for our elite class is in play in Ukraine. Russia is jealous of that part, which is evidence of their own guilt.
Monahorns
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If that happens the odds are that Russia is led by someone who is even more aggressive than Putin. These murder dreams really aren't helpful.
Monahorns
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Russia didn't do that to them. The West did. That is how they understand it. Sanctions haven't ever produced a significant rebellion of a populace against a government. It builds the resolve of a populace against the group that sanctioned them.
Monahorns
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This is a different issue. The fact that Russian protesters are arrested causes more people to oppose their government. That is happening independent of sanctions. Starving people don't have the strength to protest.
Coach, I'd like you to be right, but China is much bigger and much stronger than Russia is. Furthermore, it would take much stronger political will to impose sanctions against them. They have far more political and economic allies in the West than Russia does.
TaylorTRoom
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Years ago, we bought a house for my mother in law. The prior owner was a lonely old man, and he left quite a few books and magazines. A lot were engineering texts, many were history and some were Holocaust denial (cheaply printed from obscure publishers). I threw them out, but curiosity compelled me to skim them. How does one believe that the documented murder of seven million people was “fake news”?
There seemed to be two approaches:
1. Find a figure involved with the prosecution, who is subsequently revealed to be a liar or criminal. Then build an entire defense on “this one prosecutor’s (or witness’) dishonesty disqualifies the entire prosecution. Clearly, none can be trusted.”
2. Find a hole in the story, reasonable or not. For example- there was a whole chapter in a book about missing poison transport elements in the gas chambers, upon inspection years later. These missing pipes “proved” they couldn’t have been for the slaughter purposes alleged (despite eye witnesses- “they are in on the conspiracy!”)
How do people run with these arguments? They really want to believe. Maybe they hate Jews. Maybe they like the Nazis. They intend to believe this thing and will wrestle logic into their support.
I see the same elements in the arguments in this miserable thread. Russia invaded a neighboring sovereign nation. Russia is to blame, nobody else. Is Ukraine perfect? Of course not; no nation is. They didn’t deserve this. I can’t help but think that those carrying water here for Putin are deranged in the same way that pathetic old holocaust deniers are.
There seemed to be two approaches:
1. Find a figure involved with the prosecution, who is subsequently revealed to be a liar or criminal. Then build an entire defense on “this one prosecutor’s (or witness’) dishonesty disqualifies the entire prosecution. Clearly, none can be trusted.”
2. Find a hole in the story, reasonable or not. For example- there was a whole chapter in a book about missing poison transport elements in the gas chambers, upon inspection years later. These missing pipes “proved” they couldn’t have been for the slaughter purposes alleged (despite eye witnesses- “they are in on the conspiracy!”)
How do people run with these arguments? They really want to believe. Maybe they hate Jews. Maybe they like the Nazis. They intend to believe this thing and will wrestle logic into their support.
I see the same elements in the arguments in this miserable thread. Russia invaded a neighboring sovereign nation. Russia is to blame, nobody else. Is Ukraine perfect? Of course not; no nation is. They didn’t deserve this. I can’t help but think that those carrying water here for Putin are deranged in the same way that pathetic old holocaust deniers are.
Musburger1
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Where was your outrage when these things happened?
Musburger1
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I see the same elements in the arguments in this miserable thread. Russia invaded a neighboring sovereign nation. Russia is to blame, nobody else.
How anyone can say that the US doesn't have its hands dirty is willfully blind.
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TaylorTRoom
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Outrage? What in the world do you mean? I wasn’t born until a couple decades after the Holocaust.
Musburger1
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My error. That line was supposed to be part of my post below with attached video. My main point is that before you compare the holocaust with Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in isolation , you have to ignore the recent long list of atrocities either committed or ignored by our government.
AC
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Read the proof I sent! Nobody is even reading it! I have proof of NIH labs all over Ukraine. Proof of out of control corruption. Putin, Xi, and Trump are the heroes trying to liberate Ukraine from these Western backed Neo Nazis. All of you just eat up your US propaganda and ignore truth social. We are either facing WWIII which is nuclear, or Putin and Xi will complete the de-militarization and de-nazification of Ukraine and Taiwan. If China makes moves towards Taiwan you’ll know my info was correct, if not.
It was incorrect. I don’t know the timing of this so we must wait. Just don’t jump to conclusions because of propaganda news coverage!
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