Roe is dead

[Mr. Deez]

I question that. It’s like there is one spot reserved for this, and the party on the outside looks saner by comparison.

Here's how the GOP could screw it up. They gain control of Congress after the midterm elections, so they're no longer on the outside. They get bold and push for a national ban on abortion (which is both fruitless and unconstitutional), and in the process, they get caught up in ugly and stupid fights over issues like rape exceptions, certain types of birth control, etc. We give the media a ton of sound bites of our people saying moronic things, which they'll dutifully broadcast nonstop. It doesn't hurt us in '22, but it does hurt us in '24.

Might some Democrats say stupid things too? Yes, they will. However, it won't come from their leaders, and the media will ignore them. Furthermore, they probably won't control Congress, so they won't be setting the agenda.

 

[horninchicago]

Mother's life in danger.

Do those same people agree with killing someone in self defense when your own life is in danger? That is basically what they are saying here.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Mother's life in danger.

Do those same people agree with killing someone in self defense when your own life is in danger? That is basically what they are saying here.

Not if it's Kyle Rittenhouse.

 

[Horn6721]

Mother's life in danger.
I can understand that
Who gets to decide what is "danger".?

 

[horninchicago]

Not if it's Kyle Rittenhouse.

Precisely. Leftist hypocrisy knows no bounds. Rittenhouse, who shot and killed the very kind of kind scum the BLM/Antifa loons typically hate. But...white conservative kid.

Mother's life in danger.
I can understand that
Who gets to decide what is "danger".?

Like I said, suddenly the diagnoses of rape or a woman being at death's door will increase by 10,000% because...science and "doctors".

 

[mchammer]

I keep reading "friends" on social media justifying broad abortion laws based on exceptional cases where there is a complicated situation and the mother's life is in danger. Who doesn't want there to be some options when there is an ectopic pregnancy or there is a miscarriage?

Is this how people think now? We should support millions of baby murders so that in the very rare situation where the mother has a problem her life can be saved by chopping up a baby's body? Sounds like we should just protect life in general. The mothers'. The children's. Write laws so that in the very rare cases where a decision needs to be made the doctor has that freedom. But for the 99.9% of cases where the mother just wants to kill her baby because she is scared or inconvenienced, the baby should be protected by law. I am seeing such wickedness exposed publicly with no repercussions.

Yes, I had a similar discussion. It turns out women dying during an abortion is equally probable as these rare fatal pregnancies. I also asked about the millions of aborted fetuses. How much do they count? Basically, I was told if they are not wanted, it’s best they are aborted and thus don’t count.

 

[mchammer]

I keep reading "friends" on social media justifying broad abortion laws based on exceptional cases where there is a complicated situation and the mother's life is in danger. Who doesn't want there to be some options when there is an ectopic pregnancy or there is a miscarriage?

Is this how people think now? We should support millions of baby murders so that in the very rare situation where the mother has a problem her life can be saved by chopping up a baby's body? Sounds like we should just protect life in general. The mothers'. The children's. Write laws so that in the very rare cases where a decision needs to be made the doctor has that freedom. But for the 99.9% of cases where the mother just wants to kill her baby because she is scared or inconvenienced, the baby should be protected by law. I am seeing such wickedness exposed publicly with no repercussions.

They mention a case in Ireland, but what killed her was bad medical care and not the strict abortion law (no exceptions).

 

[mchammer]

Here's how the GOP could screw it up. They gain control of Congress after the midterm elections, so they're no longer on the outside. They get bold and push for a national ban on abortion (which is both fruitless and unconstitutional), and in the process, they get caught up in ugly and stupid fights over issues like rape exceptions, certain types of birth control, etc. We give the media a ton of sound bites of our people saying moronic things, which they'll dutifully broadcast nonstop. It doesn't hurt us in '22, but it does hurt us in '24.

Might some Democrats say stupid things too? Yes, they will. However, it won't come from their leaders, and the media will ignore them. Furthermore, they probably won't control Congress, so they won't be setting the agenda.

I thought the discussion was between now and 2022 elections. To go beyond that assumes too many things.

 

[Monahorns]

Basically, I was told if they are not wanted, it’s best they are aborted and thus don’t count.

Yeah. That is the real point. The exceptional cases are used to push through their will, but logically their argument doesn't line up. They want abortions and they don't care how they can force it. That is the lesson I have learned.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I thought the discussion was between now and 2022 elections. To go beyond that assumes too many things.

The GOP could only screw up '22 by running on a national ban. Some individual candidates might do that, but with everything bad that the Left has been doing, I don't think it'll cost them control of Congress.

 

[theiioftx]

Don’t underestimate their ability to screw up a sure thing.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Apparently Billy Joe Armstrong of Green Day is renouncing his citizenship and moving to the UK. Typical stupidity of the modern Left. He craps on his own country to move to a country with tighter abortion laws than in his home state.

(Of course, the tax rates in UK may make him rethink think decision.)

 

[mb227]

Apparently Billy Joe Armstrong of Green Day is renouncing his citizenship and moving to the UK. Typical stupidity of the modern Left. He craps on his own country to move to a country with tighter abortion laws than in his home state.

(Of course, the tax rates in UK may make him rethink think decision.)

Once renounced, the USA should enforce the 'no take backs' rule.

 

[OUBubba]

There is a need on both sides to compromise.

1. make birth control virtually free.
2. Allow abortions when medically appropriate.
3. Abortions allowed in the first trimester.
4. Make adoption a priority.
5. Make being a young parent easy.
6. Sex Ed in school.
7. Don’t rely on abstinence.

80% of Americans could get on board with this kind of work up. The far end of each side of the argument will keep it from happening.

I see the right has benefited greatly by creating this massive wedge issue. Many very fine people who were disgusted by the ***** grabber voted for him solely on this issue. The left needs to see that.

 

[OUBubba]

I’m unsure why the left is in shock. This has been coming for years.

I look forward to the surge in foster parents and adoptions that will come from the pro-life crowd. **** in one hand and wish in the other. See which one fills up faster.

 

[Horn6721]

Bubba
BC is free for many and nearly free for most. The number of media, pols and Hollywood types coming out saying they had abortions is stunning. Did these people need free BC?
Who decides what is "medically appropriate? Gosnell and ilk?
How is adoption not a priority now? explain
Isn't sex ed already taught? Are they paying attention?
Make young parenting easy?? How, gov't money??

it looks like many are relying on abortion as birth control
Alec Baldwin's daughter Ireland just admitted to having an abortion. Do you think She didn't know how babies are made?

 

[Mr. Deez]

There is a need on both sides to compromise.

1. make birth control virtually free.
2. Allow abortions when medically appropriate.
3. Abortions allowed in the first trimester.
4. Make adoption a priority.
5. Make being a young parent easy.
6. Sex Ed in school.
7. Don’t rely on abstinence.

80% of Americans could get on board with this kind of work up. The far end of each side of the argument will keep it from happening.

I see the right has benefited greatly by creating this massive wedge issue. Many very fine people who were disgusted by the ***** grabber voted for him solely on this issue. The left needs to see that.

Both sides need to respect federalism on the issue. In some states, the pro-life side will totally win. In some, the pro-abortion rights side will totally win. In most states compromises will be reached that lean one way or the other.

I would agree on making adoption easy. The idea that people sometimes have to shell out thousands to adopt a child is a disgrace. If you're willing to adopt an unwanted child, it should be extremely easy and cheap. If you're a pregnant woman who's willing to give up a baby for adoption, every reasonable accommodation should be made to make it easy and cheap.

 

[Mr. Deez]

How is adoption not a priority now? explain
Isn't sex ed already taught? Are they paying

It's ridiculously expensive and time consuming.

 

[Horn6721]

Except I hope there is major vetting and careful scrutiny for people wanting to adopt.
Especially now that sex trafficking is on the rise and groomer too
btw

• Foster-to-Adopt. : Adopting through the foster care system can generally be accomplished for under $2600, and often entirely for free, as these adoptions are through the public child welfare system.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Except I hope there is major vetting and careful scrutiny for people wanting to adopt.
Especially now that sex trafficking is on the rise and groomer too
btw

• Foster-to-Adopt. : Adopting through the foster care system can generally be accomplished for under $2600, and often entirely for free, as these adoptions are through the public child welfare system.

I don't have a problem with reasonable vetting, but (1) $2,600 is still ridiculous considering that adoptive parents are doing a service not only to the child but to society, saving the government a fortune and (2) it shouldn't matter if you're a foster parent.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

I look forward to the surge in foster parents and adoptions that will come from the pro-life crowd.

And I look forward to leftists supporting the work of crisis pregnancy centers rather than firebombing them.

 

[Horn6721]

?? You don't have to be a foster parent to adopt.
I am a CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocate)Volunteer for kiddos taken from parents by the state.
The number of children in the system is staggering.
Watching a kiddo get adopted out of the system in a life changing experience for all including the judge. Most of the time it is nearly free.
Since it is a legal proceeding someone has to pay the lawyer. That is where the cost comes from

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

I am a CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocate)Volunteer for kiddos taken from parents by the state.

Outstanding, young man! CASA volunteers are in too short supply.

 

[OUBubba]

And I look forward to leftists supporting the work of crisis pregnancy centers rather than firebombing them.

One group is the nuts on the edge. The other is the group in the middle that will likely not, metaphorically speaking, pick up a weapon and stand a post. I can talk the talk. I’m 55 and am adopting a t-ball player. I’m walking the walk. Let’s see some pro-lifers stepping up.

 

[Mr. Deez]

What self-serving, flip-flopping assclowns Bill Kristol and Charlie Sykes are.



Love to see Andrew Sullivan replying with the article from Kristol calling on Roe to be overturned.

 

[Mr. Deez]

?? You don't have to be a foster parent to adopt.
I am a CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocate)Volunteer for kiddos taken from parents by the state.
The number of children in the system is staggering.
Watching a kiddo get adopted out of the system in a life changing experience for all including the judge. Most of the time it is nearly free.
Since it is a legal proceeding someone has to pay the lawyer. That is where the cost comes from

Yes, I know you don't have to be a foster parent. What I'm saying is that it shouldn't matter. If you're a solid family wanting to adopt, it should be cheap and easy. The process should also be streamlined to keep costs down.

I'd even consider having the state fund the legal costs to a point. Sounds crazy, but consider what's happening. The adoptive parents are making that child no longer the burden of the state - no more Medicaid, food stamps, and welfare costs. The state is going to save hundreds of thousands on that kid. It's penny wise and pound foolish to make them take it in the garage on the adoption process.

 

[mchammer]

Bubba
BC is free for many and nearly free for most. The number of media, pols and Hollywood types coming out saying they had abortions is stunning. Did these people need free BC?
Who decides what is "medically appropriate? Gosnell and ilk?
How is adoption not a priority now? explain
Isn't sex ed already taught? Are they paying attention?
Make young parenting easy?? How, gov't money??

it looks like many are relying on abortion as birth control
Alec Baldwin's daughter Ireland just admitted to having an abortion. Do you think She didn't know how babies are made?

GOP tried to pass a free contraceptives bill but it was killed by dems. Look it up.

 

[mchammer]

What self-serving, flip-flopping assclowns Bill Kristol and Charlie Sykes are.



Love to see Andrew Sullivan replying with the article from Kristol calling on Roe to be overturned.

 

[Mr. Deez]

@mchammer , the UK is pretty lax on early abortion,

I also liked this reply.

 

[mchammer]

@mchammer , the UK is pretty lax

I knew that. I saw later that the comparison was to his “state”, not the US, and deleted the post.