Riots in Minneapolis
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I'm not sure how given the international nature of this trial. No one will want to raise the ire of the mob.
zuckercanyon
2,500+ Posts
If they found him guilty on all three charges, don’t know where the appeal will come from. Chauvin screwed up, should’ve played it safe, didn’t, and now is exhibit A in how not to treat a person in custody, especially when there’s obvious physical concerns. They’re going to need to have emt’s or firefighters in tow whenever there’s a suspected addict or someone with a weight problem.
Floyd didn't have a weight problem from what I can tell. The thing is, let's see if Leftists go too far and try to take this too far. So far they seem to be doing just that.
Epstein was murdered by inmates? Got any proof?
most cops I know think Chauvin overdid it. But they don’t like what is going to happen at sentencing and they will protect one of their own.
Epstein was most definitely not one of their own
Floyd was resisting the entire time he was in custody and wouldn't get into the police car. Chauvin put him in a restraint that was on his shoulder and NOT his neck. The autopsy showed no trauma to the neck and shoulder, not even a bruise. Despite what his superiors said the defense showed the manual that proved the restraint was legal. An expert for the defense said the restraint was perfectly okay to use. I really don't know what Chauvin was supposed to do.
They want their free $hit.
The answer is clear. Police can now ask suspects if they can detain/arrest them. If the answer is NO, then the suspect is free to go.
The Sheriff's department makes fun of the Constables. Both of them call the Game Wardens the "squirrel police".
Chauvin didn't intend to kill the druggie, but he didn't need to kneel on him that long either, even if it didn't have the effect libs desperately want but can't actually prove. We will probably still have some rioting after the appeal.
OUBubba
5,000+ Posts
You’re such a Feldman.
AustinHorn24
250+ Posts
Prosecutors should have made a deal with Chauvin. If he agreed to let 3 guards hold him face down with a knee in his back for 9 minutes and still not have any trouble breathing, then charges get dropped.
Tell the defense "experts" to do the same thing.
Hell you guys can do the same thing at home. Get 3 buddies to hold you down and have one put a knee on your back for 9 minutes while you are restrained face down the entire time. Report back to us and tell us what it feels like, if you're still conscious afterwards.
The only way that happens is if his appeal is brought in federal court. No Minnesota state court judge is going to vacate his conviction. Keep in mind that the judge in this case remarked that Maxine Waters may have given Chauvin something to work with on appeal. Well, he's going to get a chance to render a judgment notwithstanding the verdict. Think he's going to do that? Hell-friggin-no. He doesn't want his house burned down.
I don't think we're at that point yet everywhere, but we're moving in that direction and with the enthusiastic support of the political media. If I was a cop in a blue area, I'd basically let any suspect go who puts up significant resistance.
Their enthusiasm for this **** is nauseating. When I heard that a verdict was coming, I started streaming NBC's feed on YouTube. The commentary was so disgusting that I had to change over to the PBS feed. All they were showing was a still-shot of the Minnesota state seal. Much more intelligent commentary coming from that.
Would Chauvin have to resist arrest in the process? Would the guard know exactly what amount of pressure to put with his knee? Does anyone know how much pressure to use? We know there was ZERO bruising on his neck at both the surface or subdermal layer, and Dr Fowler testified that Chauvin wasn't blocking the arteries that supply air to Floyd's brain.
I think Chauvin would have taken your challenge assuming they could recreate his actions accurately.
Do we have to scream and call for mommy like a drug addled, virtually retarded, bit ch the whole time, or can we just act like a man, relax and breathe?
To be fair, in light of all the fentanyl Floyd had consumed, he may have been so stoned that he didn't even know who or where he was by the time of the restraint. He may have thought he was a little kid. Who knows?
Barry, you raise some fair points here. I think some liberals think that simply second-guessing what a police officer does is where they lose conservatives. It's not. Most fair-minded people (even on the Right) can look at some of these incidents and either side against the officer or at least accept that reasonable people could side against the officer. I think that's true of Castille, Garner, and some others. I think people could look at the Floyd incident and find that Derek Chauvin was out of line. I think murder is a tremendous stretch, but manslaughter certainly is not. Either way, it's not crazy to think Chauvin is a villain in this, even if you're on the Right.
You lose the Right on two grounds. First, you all put far too little focus on the actions of the suspect being pursued, and you simply can't do that and claim to be a fair arbiter of these incidents. Most commentators I've heard on TV discussing this case acted as though Chauvin just randomly went after Floyd to **** him up. The fact that Floyd committed a crime is important. The fact that Floyd resisted arrest is massively important, and commentators of the left minimize this stuff (resisting arrest, running from the police, etc.), and no sane person doesn't think that stuff is huge. It's going to massively impact how an officer pursues a suspect. It has to, and you can't have a civil society in which it doesn't. And it's not just on this case. It's the pattern that liberal commentators routinely follow on these stories.
I understand why you all do it. You aren't going to amp people up and motivate them over a counterfeiter doped up on fentanyl who gets killed resisting arrest, because superficially it just doesn't seem like that big of an injustice. To amp people up, you need a guy like Floyed to be framed as basically a good guy and therefore a martyr of sorts. Well, people see through crap like that, and frankly, it diminishes your credibility with some on the Right. George Floyd doesn't have to be a good guy to make Derek Chauvin look bad.
Second, you all make far too many and too big of leaps and usually do so without evidence or at least against the great weight of the evidence and usually devoid of logic. Specifically, it's when you take the leap that not only is Derek Chauvin bad, but he's indicative of a broader and deeper evil not only in police but in American and Western society in general. Chauvin's bad, but police in general is bad. I'm bad. You're bad. Whitey is bad. Capitalism is bad. America is bad. Well, people of the Right are going to go on defense with that kind of ****, because it's ultimately an attack on their country and on them personally. It's stupid comments like Chris Cuomo saying that we don't get reform (whatever that means) beause not enought white people are getting killed (ignoring the fact that police kill white peole more often). That kind of crap is miles away from, "Derek Chauvin is a bad guy." You can think Derek Chauvin is a manslaughterer or even murderer and still think that kind of **** is wrong and destructive. And yet those kinds of comments are routinely made by liberals and almost never challenged or walked back. Well, if you're a patriotic American, that kind of **** is gonna turn you off.
Why anyone would become a police officer today is baffling. Low pay and city officials attack them. The future of big cities will be disastrous.
News: crowds gather to celebrate and celebrate the life of George Floyd. A lifelong violent felon and drug abuser. Yeah. Let’s celebrate. As if he was that 85 year old Dad who worked hard for 60 years to support his kids, stayed married to his wife, obeyed the law, etc. Yay George Floyd!
Clean
5,000+ Posts
I don't know criminal law, but it seems like the three charges (two for murder and one man slaughter) are overlapping and redundant to me. It seems like the jury could have picked A, B, or C, but were so scared, they went for "D", all of the above. It will be interesting to see how the judge parses out the sentence.
I hope the decision is thrown out by a higher court because of the obvious political influence on the jury.
I hope the decision is thrown out by a higher court because of the obvious political influence on the jury.
Clean
5,000+ Posts
This article sums up the over $1 billion in damages the Chauvin mess cost, not to mention multiple police officers shot and at least one killed.
Biden ignores rioting that marred summer of George Floyd protests after Chauvin conviction
In his response, Biden choose to ignore the riots and violence and focus on peaceful protestors exercising their First Amendment rights.
Biden ignores rioting that marred summer of George Floyd protests after Chauvin conviction
In his response, Biden choose to ignore the riots and violence and focus on peaceful protestors exercising their First Amendment rights.
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