Religulous

Not to sound petty or anything, but if I actually called someone an ***, they'd ban me from this site until the year 2030.
 
You don't have to believe that every story in the Bible is a literal account of actual events in order to believe in the God of that Bible. These stories are ancient, and may have been used as metaphor, may have been changed in translation, or simply may have been true in a different context.

There are many things that we have today that seemed ludicrous and impossible 100 years ago. The ability to send sound and pictures around the world in essentially no time would have been seen as stuff of make believe not too long ago. My point? That a God that can create the unbelievable physical system with universal laws in which we live (with so much that we still have yet to discover and/or understand) could help a man survive in a fish if He wished to.

I think the thing that is so bothersome is that there are so many folks that are dismissive, condescending, or downright hateful about my faith, calling it irrational, make believe, fairy tale, when ignoring the fact that they must use their own version of faith to justify their positions as well. It grows very tiresome, and while I'm sure that the non-believers have had their share of scorn on these boards, I see much more ire and disrespect leveled at Christians on these boards than the other way around.

And by the way, my faith arose in my forties, not from years of growing up and having it pounded into my head. And I believe I would be classified as generally rational and above average intelligence.
 
About religion and intelligence... I think its completely settled that the distribution of intelligence, whateve that is, but lets say IQ, among the religious is no different than that of the population at large, or of non believers (the religious are the population at large). The only subpopulation difference I'm aware of is among the National Academy of Sciences, a very small group, with a non believer percentage quite different from the norm.

One may think anything of a particular belief, but this doesn't reflect on the overall intelligence of the believer

People, in general, are religious. People, in general, are intelligent.

Religion is a normal human behavior set. Does no good to stigmatize it. The analogy with sex comes strangely to mind.
 
I assume Ryan is a young man. Of which I think he can proud of his accomplishment. By getting his GF to question her faith, to question who she is, her life long beliefs, he has become her very own personal satan.

Heck I have been around for a long time and have a long list of accomplishments by my name. By I have never attained such a goal.

Thank God.
 
You really are an immature young man of the highest order.

You spend almost the entirety of your time making statements about people of faith that nobody on this board of faith has any agreement with whatsoever.

Additionally, you have shown yourself to be incredibly closeminded. You weaseled out of my challenge to read CS Lewis (which I would send you for free and I offered to read whatever atheist anti-god book you wanted to choose and have a discussion).

You claim to be about rationality but you are not. You claim to be about higher order thought but you insist on building straw man after straw man and then knocking them down. YOu claim to be open-minded but you are probably the most close minded person on this entire forum.

Nobody on here is asking for or wants a pass on their religous beliefs. All they want is for the to be characterized fairly. You are completely and totally unable to do this in any way shape or form.

I have no idea why I wasted 10 minutes of my life clicking on this thread.
 
Wait, I thought questioning your faith every now and then was supposed to be a good thing? And the "her own personal satan" line was great. Mine is Bob Stoops, at least this week.
 
I have absolutely no issue with questioning faith, asking questions, things like that. I have a definite issue with the circular logic that Ryan tries to employ to call Biblical accounts "fairy tales".

He talks about the impossibility of the ideas of Jesus walking on water, being born of a virgin, etc..., but his whole basis for this is that there is no God and by definition anything "miraculous" is impossible.

When making a reasonable argument and attempting to prove a position, you can't start out by making arguments which hinge on your point already being proven.
 
Given folks' feelings, and societal norms, he should very well expect to get the criticisms, complaints, and vitriol leveled here.

He may be all those things. He may be a courageous hero, as well. In a sense.

Takes balls to go against 95% of society, including family and friends, on a principle. Not much, but, this sort of pressure seems obviously too much for plenty of folk.

Now, I'm not dissing religion, and I know the complaint is with his social manners, not the merit of the message, right?
 
Stabone-

It has nothing to do with Ryan not believing what I do. It has to do with him impuning on me a caricature of what I believe, that is not particularly well thought out.

Two hugely different issues.
 
Let me first start off by saying if your beliefs is based on faith, then noone cannot touch you at all. It's pointless to try to argue with anyone who has faith. But when people start trying to justify their faith by logic, reason, and science, then thats where all this clashing begins. So here goes with my views on trying to logically believe faith.

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