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Caravan of displaced indigenous people repelled with tear gas in Chiapas
"Police used tear gas Saturday in Chiapas against members of the one caravan in Mexico whose destination is not the United States.

The caravan — made up of as many as 500 displaced indigenous people — had been marching from San Cristóbal de las Casas to the capital, Tuxtla Gutiérrez, arriving in time for the annual report to the state Congress by Governor Manuel Velasco Coello.

Police responded with tear gas when the marchers attempted to enter the building, which triggered a counterattack in which the latter threw rockets, stones and other projectiles at police."


The protesters also set fire to a truck and took down a section of the security fence set up around the Chiapas Congress.
 
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What else is as funny as a woman with 2 children running from tear gas can be, is that this picture is the only picture I continue to see, over and over.
Any good photographer covering this debacle should have several pictures of different children in distress. When I was a reporter, the mantra was, "Zoom in on the tears, or the shaky hands twisting the Kleenex". Never pass up the opportunity to get that dramatic (and invasive) shot. People eat that up.
Instead, it's the same 3, mother and 2 kids in every story. That should tell people something.
 
Hollandtx said:
What else is as funny as a woman with 2 children running from tear gas can be, is that this picture is the only picture I continue to see, over and over.
Any good photographer covering this debacle should have several pictures of different children in distress. When I was a reporter, the mantra was, "Zoom in on the tears, or the shaky hands twisting the Kleenex". Never pass up the opportunity to get that dramatic (and invasive) shot. People eat that up.
Instead, it's the same 3, mother and 2 kids in every story. That should tell people something.
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FWIW - the Border Control keeps records of when they use tear gas at the border. While the numbers probably will not surprise you, they definitely will surprise the US Media who appear completely unaware that tear gas has ever been used at the US Border until Trump became the President --

2012: 26 times
2013: 27 times
2014: 15 times
2015: 8 times
2016: 3 times
2017: 18 times

On average, Obama used tear gas at the border 1.3 times per month.

The declining stats seem to suggest that, towards the end, Obama just said "screw it, they are going to vote for us anyway, and help us in the Electoral College!"
 
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The sob story this woman told has changed, after she got coached.
Plus there is a larger shot of this that shows several camerapeople behind her taking staged shots of other people "fleeing"
I will try to find it.
What is particularly disgusting is Dems and talking heads KNOW this was staged and still they act all faux outraged.
 
This guy puts together some funny homemade video edits. When Facebook suspends you these days, its a sign you must be doing something right. But while you can no longer see him on FB, we can still bring him too you (at least for now)

 
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Horn6721 said:
The sob story this woman told has changed, after she got coached.
Plus there is a larger shot of this that shows several camerapeople behind her taking staged shots of other people "fleeing"
I will try to find it.
What is particularly disgusting is Dems and talking heads KNOW this was staged and still they act all faux outraged.
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You force me to admit the Joe Biden pic above was "staged."
In the real photo, he was embracing the woman's children.
Sorry if this confused anyone
 
The caravan is at least 95% men -- agree?
And the reason they fled their their home country to seek "asylum" in the US was they “feared for their lives” -- right?
Thus they left their wives/girlfriends and their children in a war zone to die?
Is this really who we want immigrating?
 
here is a bigger pic
Notice back on left another cameraman in turquoise shirt taking a pic of another" migrant" fleeing.
and notice the kid running toward the camera set up on a tripod down by people in pink shirts Most of the people NOT being photo'd are just standing around.
Holland made a good point. ONLY 1 woman with kids was there?
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Hollandtx said:
What else is as funny as a woman with 2 children running from tear gas can be, is that this picture is the only picture I continue to see, over and over.
Any good photographer covering this debacle should have several pictures of different children in distress. When I was a reporter, the mantra was, "Zoom in on the tears, or the shaky hands twisting the Kleenex". Never pass up the opportunity to get that dramatic (and invasive) shot. People eat that up.
Instead, it's the same 3, mother and 2 kids in every story. That should tell people something.
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It speaks to shoestring budgets in journalism. It's cheaper to use other's work and simply comment. Nearly every non-MSM sites are doing this. They aren't actually at the event but commenting on it. Motherjones, dailycaller and Breitbart are examples.
 
:lmao:Yea that is it. MSM outlets don't have the money.
There were undoubtedly hundreds of women and children near the tear gas but MSM
Just didn't have the money to send anyone because that would not have been a big story.
And there were No stringers around.
Sure. :rolleyes1:
 
Not only did MSM not have enough money, there was NO one around to record this on their phone. I know seeing daily cell phone footage of some type of faux outrage is a totally new concept, but you would think one person would have a phone, and snap some pics.
Goodness. Weak excuse.
 
Folks, Husker isn't going to admit the truth that the MSM is a dishonest piece of garbage. This was propaganda worthy of Pravda during the Soviet days.
 
So reports are coming out about the health of the horde including measles lice TB and HIV.
Yea these are people we want to let in. Ellis Island existed for a reason.

And many of the horde is complaining they were "misled"> They say they were "told" it would be easier to get into our country. WHO told them that? Why does not CNN etc not ask?
 
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Folks, Husker isn't going to admit the truth that the MSM is a dishonest piece of garbage. This was propaganda worthy of Pravda during the Soviet days.
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I don't think he's arguing that the choice of photos isn't driven by sensationalism or politics. I think he's arguing that it's easier and cheaper to simply use the photo that is cruising around the internet rather than to show up and take your own pictures. What he's saying and what Hollandtx are saying can both be true.

This photo reminds me a lot of the Alan Kurdi photo. It's the famous picture of the 3-year old Syrian boy who died while his family was fleeing to Europe and whose body was photographed on a beach. That photo was circulated everywhere in the world but especially in Europe, and he became the face of the "migrant" crisis. Was that honest reporting? Of course not. Alan Kurdi wasn't even remotely representative of who was coming to Europe, but it was sensational and got lots of attention and clicks and therefore money.

Did political hacks exploit that photo? Of course and did so very deceptively. What does a 3-year old Syrian boy have to do with hordes of 23 year old dudes from Eritrea, Nigeria, and Afghanistan? Nothing. What does he have in common with them? Very little. He wasn't coming from the same place, wasn't culturally similar to them, and wasn't coming for the same reason. But if you can latch onto the dead Syrian boy and make his cause your cause, it's easier to shame people into letting you get your way.
 
MrD
Do you really think if there were other pics of women and children being tear gassed they would not have been all over the news?
Go back and look at any media site who posted many pics of the horde as it made its' way north. There was pic after pic of people standing in line for food or bedding down in tents or going through donated clothes etc etc. Never just one pic used over and over.
So for the biggest story so far you think a " shoestring" budget prevented CNN MSNBC AP Reuters from having coverage? It was the horde making it's move on USA entry ( remember this move was announced in advance) and there is only one of a woman and kids? And pics show that even that was staged.
:rolleyes1:
 
Deez and Husker, are trying to say that the picture was circulated because it is easy to do not because it reflected reality on the ground.

Husker skirted that part of the issue by focusing on the ease of using the AP photo and not going after their own.
 
Mona
So that means NONE of the other media had people there covering an really significant story on the horde?
After daily coverage of the trek north by Reuters, MSNBC CNN etc,( many of whom had people embedded with the horde) None of them had reporters or stringers at the " peaceful protest"of the horde converging on our border?

Sorry Not buying it> Think how giddy the media would have been if they could have shown pics of evil Trump gassing many innocent women and children.
They all ran with that one because that was the only one they had and even it was staged and poorly at that. Although it hasn't stopped the faux outcry.
 
Horn6721, I agree with you. I don't think anyone else had a picture of people being teargassed because the only one available was staged. But once those other news agencies saw the picture, of course they included it with their stories.
 
Monahorns said:
In Yugoslavia the things I have read say the UN/US action was more hurtful than helpful.
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I recognize this thread is about "the caravan" now at Tijuana.

bottom line ... we were on the wrong side in the former Yugo ... aka Croatia, Bosnia-Heregovinia. .... and our buddies in the great Isle nation deposited that ethic/cultural war after WWI when they redrew most of the ME lines. It's not all Britains' fault ... but they sure did stir the hornet's nest.
 
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MrD
Do you really think if there were other pics of women and children being tear gassed they would not have been all over the news?
Go back and look at any media site who posted many pics of the horde as it made its' way north. There was pic after pic of people standing in line for food or bedding down in tents or going through donated clothes etc etc. Never just one pic used over and over.
So for the biggest story so far you think a " shoestring" budget prevented CNN MSNBC AP Reuters from having coverage? It was the horde making it's move on USA entry ( remember this move was announced in advance) and there is only one of a woman and kids? And pics show that even that was staged.
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I think the budget angle is part of it, not all of it. Like I said, the sensationalism factor is definitely at play. Remember, that's how the media makes money.

People talk a lot about how the media is changing with the internet, and it's true in terms of technology. However, the model isn't changing. Media companies still make money by attracting readers and viewers and using that ability to sell ads. Sensationalism attracts readers now just like it did with newspapers, so it sells. Pictures of women and diapered children running away from tear gas is sensational and attracts readers. Pictures of 23 year old dudes don't. It wouldn't matter if that was the only woman in a crowd of thousands. That's the pic they'd go with, especially when it's so readily available.
 
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Mr D
Funny budget was not part of it when media outlets had reporters and crew embedded with the horde on the way to the border.
There was constant live coverage.
But now that the horde is at the border and actually rushing to enter illegally after Trump said they would not get in . Now when the rushing the border is the biggest part of the story and every media outlet would love to make Trump look evil and heartless the outlets send their crews home?
Now all of a sudden all those embedded reporters and camera crews are no longer there due to budget?
 
It's been a while since I worked at a newspaper, but i can tell you they had a whole lot fewer photogs than they did writers. Using wire images is completely normal, and if the photographer shopped this image around to papers (or syndicated it, which is more likely) it's no surprise they picked it up and ran with it. My assumption is that the photog cleaned it up and selectively edited it first, although the newspapers may require that he provide the original version so they can cover themselves. I have no doubt they'd be willing to crop it - I think people who do newspaper layout tend to look at it from the standpoint of cropping to take out extra space, as opposed to cropping it so that it won't look posed. That's not to excuse it or say it's a good practice, but I'm not necessarily prepared to say that it's deliberately dishonest in every case.

Now having said that, if I'm an editor looking at that original image, should it cast doubt on the narrative that's being promoted? Absolutely it should.
 
Would you say it is fake news? If a picture is staged I would consider it fake. Is it reasonable to describe an organization that uses "fake" photos as an enemy of the people? I would.
 
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