Prosecuting Rittenhouse Is Completely Unjust

[mb227]

Yes, in Oklahoma the youth softball leagues hold a kegger after every practice just to prepare them for adult slow pitch leagues. Practice makes perfect, after all.

LOL!

But in all seriousness, let's look at the hypothetical reckless driving at night...you could expect some counsel to look at how long the practice had run and under what conditions. Did it contribute to potential physical fatigue? Was it late enough that ending the practice in daylight keeps the individual from being fatigued at night? And the list goes on...

Always look for the deep pockets.

 

[OUBubba]

18? Not likely as she is an adult. UNLESS she was in a vehicle registered to you or covered by your insurance, but that is not an age thing. That will be the attorneys reaching out on the asset involved in some potential claim. And, since it was coming from softball practice, you would ALSO expect the entity overseeing the softball program to be named as the claim is advanced that some component of the practice contributed to the reckless driving...

Yes, she's "under my roof" until she's through college. So, until then I'm potentially on the hook. Luckily, I'm an Okie and, as such, judgment proof due to my position in trailer ownership and Buick LeSabres.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Upgraded from the Skylark, didja?

 

[Mr. Deez]

18? Not likely as she is an adult. UNLESS she was in a vehicle registered to you or covered by your insurance, but that is not an age thing.

His insurance would cover (assuming she isn't an excluded driver), but I couldn't make a separate claim against him unless I could establish an independent tort action against him, such as negligent entrustment, such as if she was unlicensed or otherwise incompetent to drive a vehicle.

And, since it was coming from softball practice, you would ALSO expect the entity overseeing the softball program to be named as the claim is advanced that some component of the practice contributed to the reckless driving...

Only if we could establish some negligence or wrongdoing on their part like the kegger.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Yes, she's "under my roof" until she's through college. So, until then I'm potentially on the hook. Luckily, I'm an Okie and, as such, judgment proof due to my position in trailer ownership and Buick LeSabres.

Being under your roof doesn't make you responsible.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Only if we could establish some negligence or wrongdoing on their part like the kegger.

Would it be negligent if, for example, at the youth softball keggers the adults bought full strength beer instead of the 2.9ABV stuff the kids are used to chugging? Would it depend on whether the adults informed the kids of the change or not? Would that information need to be written, or would oral transmission of the ABV change be considered adequate?

I'm just burning with curiosity here.

 

[mchammer]

She's an adult, so generally no. Sometimes a parent can be held liable for the acts of his or her child, though it's not common. The problem here is that the child would have to be shown to have done something wrong - not just being there at all but doing something bad. Shooting in self-defense isn't bad as much you'd like it to be in this case.

How do you say the parent is negligent when the child is being tried as an adult? Cannot compute. Cannot compute.

 

[Vol Horn 4 Life]

How do you say the parent is negligent when the child is being tried as an adult? Cannot compute. Cannot compute.

Well she must have been an accomplice in the whole thing. She must have knowingly participated in the planning and follow through of the execution of said innocent bystander clearly running away. Riiiight?

 

[mb227]

His insurance would cover (assuming she isn't an excluded driver), but I couldn't make a separate claim against him unless I could establish an independent tort action against him, such as negligent entrustment, such as if she was unlicensed or otherwise incompetent to drive a vehicle.

Only if we could establish some negligence or wrongdoing on their part like the kegger.

Which is precisely why some are going to name the entity and then go fishing. If they are later dismissed, so be it...but there are enough out there that know some organizations will simply pay out a nuisance claim.

Remember, I did not say they WERE liable...just that they might pursue that avenue. I've known MANY who will seek to name ANYONE with a pocket that might have something in it...

 

[mb227]

Yes, she's "under my roof" until she's through college. So, until then I'm potentially on the hook. Luckily, I'm an Okie and, as such, judgment proof due to my position in trailer ownership and Buick LeSabres.

Being under your roof does not make you liable for her decisions made as an adult. There are reasons SOME parents put the kid on their own policy when they start driving even though the premiums are often higher...and why the kid's first car is often put in the kid's name.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Would it be negligent if, for example, at the youth softball keggers the adults bought full strength beer instead of the 2.9ABV stuff the kids are used to chugging?

You'd be liable for every minor except your own kid.

Would it depend on whether the adults informed the kids of the change or not? Would that information need to be written, or would oral transmission of the ABV change be considered adequate?

Informing the kids would make no difference.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Which is precisely why some are going to name the entity and then go fishing. If they are later dismissed, so be it...but there are enough out there that know some organizations will simply pay out a nuisance claim.

Remember, I did not say they WERE liable...just that they might pursue that avenue. I've known MANY who will seek to name ANYONE with a pocket that might have something in it...

It sorta depends on the limitations period. If it's about to expire, then yes, I'm suing everybody and his dog. I'm not facing a malpractice suit just to keep from being an annoyance to someone who provided booze to a minor. However, if I've got time to conduct discovery and build a real case against the provider first, I'll do that before adding them.

 

[Mr. Deez]

How do you say the parent is negligent when the child is being tried as an adult? Cannot compute. Cannot compute.

.
What a criminal court does generally doesn't bind a civil court. Different court, different rules. That's why OJ was acquitted of murder but held civilly liable for wrongful death.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

You'd be liable for every minor except your own kid.



Informing the kids would make no difference.

Having sold alcohol for 11 years, I am aware of the real legal issues. I was just funnin'.

 

[OUBubba]

My dad was an attorney. Our potential reckless endangerment seeing him lose cows, land, et al. kept him up nights.

This judge should totally run for Senate. He could get elected:

 

[Horn6721]

I can text you if you did not get his point.

 

[OUBubba]

Reminds me of this guy:

One of my favorite minor TV characters in recent years.

 

[Garmel]

This is what ticks me off. If Rittenhouse had been the one killed the left would not have given a **** during his killer's trial.

 

[Hollandtx]

Next up, if Rittenhouse is found innocent, the media will begin go after the judge, and the entire court system. The articles are already ginning up anger at the potential outcome.

Judge bashing has already started. He made a small joke about breaking for lunch, which was Chinese food as I understand it. He said something to the effect of, "We'll break for lunch, unless our food is on one of those boats stuck in the harbor"

Twitter, etc were all over the comment, claiming it to be racist and anti-Asian.

This, on the same day Biden calls Satchel Paige a "Negro" and maybe the day after Kamala spoke in a fake French accent while in Paris. "Zee Plan"
Not a peep about either of those incidents that I personally feel were much worse.
I don't really understand why the Judge's joke was racist.
And, really, really, don't understand why the media wants another riot in the streets.

'How not to be a good judge': Kyle Rittenhouse judge draws new backlash with 'Asian food' joke 'How not to be a good judge': Kyle Rittenhouse judge draws new backlash with 'Asian food' joke

 

[OUBubba]

Next up, if Rittenhouse is found innocent, the media will begin go after the judge, and the entire court system. The articles are already ginning up anger at the potential outcome.

Judge bashing has already started. He made a small joke about breaking for lunch, which was Chinese food as I understand it. He said something to the effect of, "We'll break for lunch, unless our food is on one of those boats stuck in the harbor"

Twitter, etc were all over the comment, claiming it to be racist and anti-Asian.

This, on the same day Biden calls Satchel Paige a "Negro" and maybe the day after Kamala spoke in a fake French accent while in Paris. "Zee Plan"
Not a peep about either of those incidents that I personally feel were much worse.
I don't really understand why the Judge's joke was racist.
And, really, really, don't understand why the media wants another riot in the streets.

'How not to be a good judge': Kyle Rittenhouse judge draws new backlash with 'Asian food' joke 'How not to be a good judge': Kyle Rittenhouse judge draws new backlash with 'Asian food' joke

So do we not refer to it as the negro league now? It’s a historical league.

 

[Garmel]

So do we not refer to it as the negro league now? It’s a historical league.

Biden said in his exact words "adopted the attitude of the great Negro—at the time—pitcher in the Negro leagues". It's possibly an innocent gaffe. However, if Trump had said this you would be losing your mind.

 

[mchammer]

Next up, if Rittenhouse is found innocent, the media will begin go after the judge, and the entire court system. The articles are already ginning up anger at the potential outcome.

Judge bashing has already started. He made a small joke about breaking for lunch, which was Chinese food as I understand it. He said something to the effect of, "We'll break for lunch, unless our food is on one of those boats stuck in the harbor"

Twitter, etc were all over the comment, claiming it to be racist and anti-Asian.

This, on the same day Biden calls Satchel Paige a "Negro" and maybe the day after Kamala spoke in a fake French accent while in Paris. "Zee Plan"
Not a peep about either of those incidents that I personally feel were much worse.
I don't really understand why the Judge's joke was racist.
And, really, really, don't understand why the media wants another riot in the streets.

'How not to be a good judge': Kyle Rittenhouse judge draws new backlash with 'Asian food' joke 'How not to be a good judge': Kyle Rittenhouse judge draws new backlash with 'Asian food' joke

Media wants a riot.

 

[OUBubba]

He didn’t shoot women, did he?

Video shows Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse punching a girl: report

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

So do we not refer to it as the negro league now? It’s a historical league.

Maybe you should post his entire comment. Makes it easier to keep up to speed

 

[Mr. Deez]

He didn’t shoot women, did he?

Video shows Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse punching a girl: report

Maybe the prosecutor should have charged Rittenhouse with assault on the woman rather than murder of a couple of rioters who were attempting to injure or kill him. He wouldn't look as incompetent and stupid as he does now.

 

[Mr. Deez]

So do we not refer to it as the negro league now? It’s a historical league.

It wasn't just the league. He referred to a person (Satchel Paige) as a negro. I agree with Garmel that it was likely an innocent slip-up and that Biden meant no harm. However, it's far more racist than anything Judge Schroeder (who's a liberal Democrat, by the way) said and something the entire media would be shitting its pants over if a Republican said it.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Biden said in his exact words "adopted the attitude of the great Negro—at the time—pitcher in the Negro leagues".

i have never defended Biden before, but knowing he has early stage dementia and knowing his thoughts get jumbled up through no fault of his own, this is what I believe Biden meant to say: "adopted the attitude of the great Negro League pitcher Satchel Page" and when he started to say it he either forgot Page's name or he realized he said "negro" out loud and in his head went "Oh ****! how do I fix this?" and thus you got "adopted the attitude of the great Negro—at the time—pitcher in the Negro leagues".

Now, what all neutral observers of the media have noted is also true. Trump or any other Republican would have been excoriated for making the same mistake. As Deez notes truly, the pants that would have been shat would not have been limited to just Joe Biden's.

 

[UTChE96]

I just watched the full shooting video for the first time. I cannot understand how any reasonable person could watch that and conclude that it was not self-defense. Had he not shot the aggressors then he would have been severely beaten and possibly killed. Open and shut case of self-defense.

He was a minor in possession of a firearm so he should have been charged with that offense only. Arguing that he shouldn't have been there is ridiculous. He was in a public location and had just as much right to be there as any of the protestors. Next time the police should maintain law and order if they don't want others to fill the void.

 

[mb227]

So do we not refer to it as the negro league now? It’s a historical league.

The uproar seems not to be the reference to the Negro League but that Paige was referred to as one of the great Negros. SlowJoe then bumbled along to mention the Negro League.

 

[Garmel]