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Seattle Husker
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Posting this in the Left wing Looniness and Right Wing Looniness threads because a D and R Congressman woke up deciding to be a idoit.
Pentagon: US lawmakers' visit to Afghanistan 'took time away' from mission
Who thinks flying INTO an active evacuation from a war zone is a smart idea? Unless your a pilot flying in military personnel/supplies or with an empty plane to fly evacuees out stay the hell out of Kabul. You are NOT going to be helpful.
Pentagon: US lawmakers' visit to Afghanistan 'took time away' from mission
Who thinks flying INTO an active evacuation from a war zone is a smart idea? Unless your a pilot flying in military personnel/supplies or with an empty plane to fly evacuees out stay the hell out of Kabul. You are NOT going to be helpful.
Yeah, this is dumb. There's a time for congressional oversight and inquiry, but this isn't it. Wait until the smoke clears (literally) and then figure out what went wrong. At this point their presence can only be counterproductive.
Praying for your son.
BevoJoe
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I was in Afghanistan in 1975 for avery short time. Looking around in Kabul I will say, that place is a **** hole, but so was Viet Nam.
Thank you Mr. Deez. I appreciate it, and those boys are going to need it.
Thank you Mr. Deez. I appreciate it, and those boys are going to need it.
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OUBubba
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Prayers.
I worked with a Pakistani doc. He said about Afghans, “those people are nuts”.
Horn2RunAgain
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Pakis and Afghans don't like each other
Indians don't like Pakis.
No one likes pakis from what I can tell. Our chess classes are populated by 50 percent or more of people in that part of the world. I feel like I've had a mini education on the region since being around those folks since 2016. Just seeing how the parents react to each other and how some of the young kids interact, it's, well.. interesting.
The Indian culture holds many values i wish we would embrace here. I know this much, their kids are racing past ours . Not just in chess either.
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I've heard this before, and I've heard it a lot here in the UK, where there are quite a few Pakistanis and Indians. Most Brits like Indians and don't like Pakistanis. The strange thing is that every Indian and every Pakistani I've known, I've liked. Good people. I suspect that the Pakistanis who emigrate to the US are different in class and character than those who stay or emigrate to the UK.
It isn't just Indians. It's Indians, Asians of most kinds, and some Africans. They're very disciplined and focused. (It's why they're so often good at math and science, which opens up a hell of a lot of doors.) They respect elders and tradition and are suspicious of youth and "change." There are downsides to that, and I think a balance is ideal. However, in the West, we've gone way too far the other way.
Horn2RunAgain
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When I first started my career at TI, an Indian coworker (engineer) said his kids routine was to get home from school at 4, do their homework, eat dinner at 6:45. When he got home , then their real education began at 7:30. Lasted until 9:15. Then bedtime. This goes on for 9 months a year
The kids never got a moment of rest during the week. They were drilled, yet brilliant. I don't know where he got the energy because we got to the office at 0730, usually out at 6pm or later. Long days at work, including Saturday mornings.
It was seeded in his culture. Hard work and discipline. Still see that a lot of this in chess kids parents but it's waning a tad. Still, miles ahead of the avg American. It would be nice if much of that rubbed off us, to be honest
The kids never got a moment of rest during the week. They were drilled, yet brilliant. I don't know where he got the energy because we got to the office at 0730, usually out at 6pm or later. Long days at work, including Saturday mornings.
It was seeded in his culture. Hard work and discipline. Still see that a lot of this in chess kids parents but it's waning a tad. Still, miles ahead of the avg American. It would be nice if much of that rubbed off us, to be honest
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BevoJoe
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I agree with you. As I recall, Pakistan and East Pakistan were formed in the late 1940's and the Hindus migrated to India, and the Muslims migrated to east or west Pakistan, east Pakistan became Bangladesh in the early 70's. The last time I was in that part of the world (1975), I found Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh to be nasty **** holes. Hell, when I arrived in Calcutta, there were thousands of Bangladeshis sleeping in the streets who fled there due to the smallpox outbreak in their country. Million or so had fled over to India. I watched Indian workers walking along the street tapping people sleeping on the feet. If they moved, fine. If not, they picked up the dead body and slung it into the back of a truck and when full took them to be cremated. There were some dead bodies floating in the river as well. The rest of India was fairly nice for having so many people, but Calcutta stunk like an open sewer. I'll add Viet Nam to that list of **** holes as well.
BevoJoe
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They are, most likely better educated and also have a sense of decorum.
Seattle Husker
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There's little doubt that the affluence of America is impacting the work ethic of subsequent generations. Bill Gate's kids will not have the drive that he had. Believe it or not, Bill didn't have his father's drive. I'd wager each of us on this board likely have trouble matching our fathers drive and definitely our grandfathers.
You can see it in 2nd gen Asians too, Asians of all flavors. The parents arrive and work their asses off to get ahead. The "tiger mom's" kick in. In my neighborhood (HS is 65% Asian) the kids pay for additional tutoring services as "fun". Personally, I think these kids think it's "fun" to get away from their parents. An East Indian that use to work for me told me that he and his wife had assigned subjects/times in which they tutored their only child. They'd order additional books to help push that kid. In addition to his HS studies the kid had extra homework on more advanced topics.
Know what I've witnessed? These kids are not as well adjusted. They lack creativity, communication skills and often are 1-trick ponies. Their circle of friends is relegated to a few people in school that they may get to hang out with every once in a great while outside of school. The kids have no knowledge of current events, pop culture, or any sense of style because they are wrapped in an education cocoon where success is 100% measured on what elite school they get into for college.
In simple terms, my sons will not best those kids academically but they will be managing them in the future. What those kids bring to the table is a commodity. Rote skills that are fine-tuned over decades but any ability to "think outside of the box" has been stripped away. They operate in the work setting with collectivism values and struggle exhibiting any leadership because they've never been asked to lead by their parents, except maybe being 1st chair violin in the orchestra. That's not leadership. Manager's can't always simply lead by example and have to make difficult choices and get others to back them. Management success is often based on soft skills, like charisma and political acumen within the corporate culture.
We need these smart individual contributors though which is why I struggle with the immigration discussion. Anyone with skills, especially technical skills, should be let in with a Fast Pass in immigration status to coopt them from China and other competition countries.
While the focus is and should be the measurables like math scores the American system does offer a level of well-rounded skills that are missing in our economic competitors. We won't always be on top. China will pass us simply because they have 3 billion people compared to our 350 million.
Aside from the competition of our brightest against their brightest, we also have lost the work ethic in the lower economic rungs. The Mexican laborers work 3x as hard as their American counterparts for 1/2 the pay. Not sure that competition is all bad either.
You can see it in 2nd gen Asians too, Asians of all flavors. The parents arrive and work their asses off to get ahead. The "tiger mom's" kick in. In my neighborhood (HS is 65% Asian) the kids pay for additional tutoring services as "fun". Personally, I think these kids think it's "fun" to get away from their parents. An East Indian that use to work for me told me that he and his wife had assigned subjects/times in which they tutored their only child. They'd order additional books to help push that kid. In addition to his HS studies the kid had extra homework on more advanced topics.
Know what I've witnessed? These kids are not as well adjusted. They lack creativity, communication skills and often are 1-trick ponies. Their circle of friends is relegated to a few people in school that they may get to hang out with every once in a great while outside of school. The kids have no knowledge of current events, pop culture, or any sense of style because they are wrapped in an education cocoon where success is 100% measured on what elite school they get into for college.
In simple terms, my sons will not best those kids academically but they will be managing them in the future. What those kids bring to the table is a commodity. Rote skills that are fine-tuned over decades but any ability to "think outside of the box" has been stripped away. They operate in the work setting with collectivism values and struggle exhibiting any leadership because they've never been asked to lead by their parents, except maybe being 1st chair violin in the orchestra. That's not leadership. Manager's can't always simply lead by example and have to make difficult choices and get others to back them. Management success is often based on soft skills, like charisma and political acumen within the corporate culture.
We need these smart individual contributors though which is why I struggle with the immigration discussion. Anyone with skills, especially technical skills, should be let in with a Fast Pass in immigration status to coopt them from China and other competition countries.
While the focus is and should be the measurables like math scores the American system does offer a level of well-rounded skills that are missing in our economic competitors. We won't always be on top. China will pass us simply because they have 3 billion people compared to our 350 million.
Aside from the competition of our brightest against their brightest, we also have lost the work ethic in the lower economic rungs. The Mexican laborers work 3x as hard as their American counterparts for 1/2 the pay. Not sure that competition is all bad either.
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My dad (has taught violin for 30 years) largely confirms this. He says the Asian kids he teaches are academically exceptional, take instruction well, and practice diligently. Accordingly, they imitate his technique better than American kids do and master the material better. However, when he asks them to think outside the box, do anything that requires creativity, or requires them to communicate something in their own mind, they struggle to varying degrees.
Ultimately, we need balance - more discipline but with creativity and poise.
Seattle Husker
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That isn't measured in test scores though. Our local HS which my youngest just graduated is a bit of a fish bowl for Asians in the Seattle area. It's a public HS that is 65% Asian. It's academics are so strong that his Sr. class this past year included 12 National Merit Scholarship award winner (4k nationally). In a school of >1,800 kids the Orchestra program is one of the 5 biggest nationally at >500. The athletics of the school SUCK but walk through the neighborhood and all you hear after school is pianos and violins.
Love all the kids to death but many can barely hold a conversation as they stand there in high water pants which they outgrew in 8th grade. They'll all go off to amazing colleges (though they often overshoot and fail to have a backup) because their grades/test scores are off the charts but unless they suddenly develop social skills in college their upward trajectory in the business world has a low ceiling.
Definitely. I'm lazy compared to my dad and my grandfather (the one I knew).
Seattle Husker
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Getting a newer group of hungry immigrants is one part of the solution to keeping America humming economically.
If my sons can be successful in life (we all have our own definitions) without working as hard as me I consider that successful parenting. That's how it's worked out for me so far in comparison to my father/grandfather. Education was admittedly a huge driver.
Seattle Husker
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We're making progress. The Presidential dog is a bit more important than the Tan Suit / Grey Poupon sagas that covered under the previous D administration.
OUBubba
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A friend of mine from back home was the OU drum major his last two years. Impressive stock broker from family money. Always a clothes horse. Hated Obama. Loves Trump. Hates Biden. I said, "I bet you hated the tan suit". He said, "you can NOT imagine".
Seattle Husker
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This dude won't shut up. Just yap yap yap out of his ***...
Trump suggests Osama bin Laden wasn’t ‘a monster’ and had ‘only one hit’ in new interview
Per a Hugh Hewitt interview...
Trump suggests Osama bin Laden wasn’t ‘a monster’ and had ‘only one hit’ in new interview
Per a Hugh Hewitt interview...
And this is what I keep in mind. There's a hell of a lot of room to blame Biden for what's happening. But when Trump starts commenting, it's pretty clear that he's Monday morning quarterbacking.
OUBubba
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Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan - FactCheck.org
Here's Trump's actions to help on this:
1. In 2/2020 negotiated a peace deal WITH THE TALIBAN excluding the Afghan government. Taliban "pledged not to attack". Spoiler alert, they still did.
2. Freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers. (wonder who attacked???)
3. Set a certain date of May 1, 2021 for withdrawal. (Like drawing pocket aces and playing poker like Barney Fife).
4. Reduced troop levels from 13,000 to 2,500
5. Invited them to Camp David but then uninvited them. (hats off to the 22 year old 3rd assistant who probably said to Pompeo, "boss, this camp david thing...is that a good idea?"
6. Trump says, “We’re dealing very well with the Taliban. They’re very tough, they’re very smart, they’re very sharp. But, you know, it’s been 19 years, and even they are tired of fighting, in all fairness.”
7. Republicans warn of a Saigon scenario in November of 2020
I can sit here and critique Biden's execution of an exit plan. I can't ignore the **** show above while having the architect of said **** show act like he's blameless.
What the real answer is should go like this: It's a big **** sandwich. We're all gonna have to take a bite.
Here's Trump's actions to help on this:
1. In 2/2020 negotiated a peace deal WITH THE TALIBAN excluding the Afghan government. Taliban "pledged not to attack". Spoiler alert, they still did.
2. Freed 5,000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers. (wonder who attacked???)
3. Set a certain date of May 1, 2021 for withdrawal. (Like drawing pocket aces and playing poker like Barney Fife).
4. Reduced troop levels from 13,000 to 2,500
5. Invited them to Camp David but then uninvited them. (hats off to the 22 year old 3rd assistant who probably said to Pompeo, "boss, this camp david thing...is that a good idea?"
6. Trump says, “We’re dealing very well with the Taliban. They’re very tough, they’re very smart, they’re very sharp. But, you know, it’s been 19 years, and even they are tired of fighting, in all fairness.”
7. Republicans warn of a Saigon scenario in November of 2020
I can sit here and critique Biden's execution of an exit plan. I can't ignore the **** show above while having the architect of said **** show act like he's blameless.
What the real answer is should go like this: It's a big **** sandwich. We're all gonna have to take a bite.
The reality is that we shouldn't be leaving at this time. Trump and Biden are both wrong.
OUBubba
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Should have left a decade ago.
That would have meant that the same **** would have happened a decade ago
Seattle Husker
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I'm of the belief that this was going to happen at any time, now...10 years ago or 10 years in the future. The weak central government supported by a cowardly mercenary army was never going to survive. We should have gotten out shortly after diminishing Al Queda and capturing Bin Laden. Our achievable mission was complete at that moment.
The tribal Afghans always knew they simply needed to outlast us, just like they did the Soviets and English before us.
OUBubba
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And the Chinese after us.
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