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[Mr. Deez]

Maybe you've not been paying attention to the base these days. Hell, they still think the election was stolen.

I pay attention to the base and call them out, but I've seen no evidence that an individual praying in public and without coercing others would offend conservatives. Keep in mind that Muslims pray everyday in red states without incident.

 

[mchammer]

Our nation was built by committed Christians. Even those who were Deist promoted Biblical morality 100%. Most of the original states had state churches too. Rhode Island was the first where there was religious freedom. Georgia and Pennsylvania followed suit. The Federal government can't establish a church over all states but each state can if they so desire. You don't get America without Christianity. I don't promote state or national churches but facts are facts.

The founding fathers would be appalled at how immoral we are, how large we have allowed the government to get, income taxes, the Federal Reserve, and how many ways we start and all without Congressional approval. They would probably also be appalled that we give the right to vote to non-property owners.

You are now confounding the founding fathers with conservatism. What the hell are you smoking?

 

[mchammer]

The founding fathers would be appalled at how immoral we are, how large we have allowed the government to get, income taxes, the Federal Reserve, and how many ways we start and all without Congressional approval.

It’s all about the the Fed with you, isn’t it?

 

[Mr. Deez]

It’s all about the the Fed with you, isn’t it?

Or the Defense Department or State Department.

 

[guy4321]

'Silent majority' of Disney employees oppose woke 'godmother' name change, cast member says

"Cast members of the Bibbidi Bobbidi Boquite, once called "Fairy Godmothers in Training," now bear the title "Fairy Godmother's Apprentices," in an apparent attempt to be gender-neutral, Walt Disney World News Today shared on Tuesday. "

Thank you, Disney! But why not Godfathers in Training for the dudes and transgenders?

 

[OUBubba]

I tried.....

 

[Garmel]

Maybe you've not been paying attention to the base these days. Hell, they still think the election was stolen.

lol. Please quit voting.

I remember being called a conspiracy theorist by you for pointing out that the FBI investigation was corrupt.

 

[horninchicago]

Does anyone else remember the days when no one on Horn Fans misspelled "uphauled"?

 

[Monahorns]

You are now confounding the founding fathers with conservatism. What the hell are you smoking?

Compared to the political spectrum of 2022, they are hard right extremist on every issue. If you don't see that you need to educate yourself. Even Benjamin Franklin the biggest partier went to church commonly and tried at times to live by a strict moral code. On economics and politics he would seem like a total kook today because we have been so conditioned by the Left.

 

[Monahorns]

It’s all about the the Fed with you, isn’t it?

Yes. Central banking is one of the greatest evils in the world. They steal from all of us everyday through it. What they do with money using the Fed is specifically forbidden in the Bible.

 

[Monahorns]

Or the Defense Department or State Department.

Let's start with the Department of Education, the Department of Energy, and the EPA. But after the Fed of course.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Let's start with the Department of Education, the Department of Energy, and the EPA. But after the Fed of course.

I'm no Fed apologist, but I'm surprised you'd dump them before you'd dump the Department of Education. It's evil in intent, and even if it has found a superficially legal method to push its agenda, it serves an unconstitutional purpose, which is to interfere in public education.

 

[mchammer]

Compared to the political spectrum of 2022, they are hard right extremist on every issue. If you don't see that you need to educate yourself.

Freeing slaves at the time by the northern states was pretty liberal.

You are cherry picking your arguments.

 

[guy4321]

Does anyone else remember the days when no one on Horn Fans misspelled "uphauled"?

No. I'm much too new of a HF poster to recall a time when people spelled correctly.

 

[nashhorn]

I’m on the side of dump the Dept of Education.

 

[Monahorns]

I'm no Fed apologist, but I'm surprised you'd dump them before you'd dump the Department of Education. It's evil in intent, and even if it has found a superficially legal method to push its agenda, it serves an unconstitutional purpose, which is to interfere in public education.

I mean, does it really matter as long as they are all abolished? I haven't spent a lot of time ranking each Federal agency or organization that is the most important to abolish. The Federal Reserve is used to steal money from you and me every day. Is that worse? Who knows. But I would like my $s to keep their value. I can home school my kids legally, but I can't use gold, silver, or crypto that easily. Ending the Fed doesn't solve all our problems either monetarily but it is a good first step. Having a fiat currency system is itself unconstitutional.

But sure, let's get rid of the Dept Of Education first. As long as we get to go down the list.

 

[Monahorns]

Freeing slaves at the time by the northern states was pretty liberal.

You are cherry picking your arguments.

Sure. History is extremely complex. But they also had a very strict Christian morality. That would be conservative. Their views on voting would be very conservative. Their acceptance of a state church is conservative. They would have been absolutely against gay marriage and trans-gender advocacy. They were completely against fiat currency and central banking.

I think I have way more examples of them being conservative than liberal. That is even more true if you remember that this discussion started about sexual morality and ethics. What founders could you describe as sexually liberal or radical? Would they be on the conservative side (right) or the liberal side (left) of that subject specifically.

You are more guilty of cherry picking than I am.

 

[Mr. Deez]

The Federal Reserve is used to steal money from you and me every day. Is that worse? Who knows. But I would like my $s to keep their value. I can home school my kids legally, but I can't use gold, silver, or crypto that easily.

Filling children with ******** is worse than what the Fed is doing. Yes, I can homeschool my kids, but plenty of families can't do that without pretty substantial hardship.

Having a fiat currency system is itself unconstitutional.

How so?

 

[mchammer]

Sure. History is extremely complex. But they also had a very strict Christian morality. That would be conservative. Their views on voting would be very conservative. Their acceptance of a state church is conservative. They would have been absolutely against gay marriage and trans-gender advocacy. They were completely against fiat currency and central banking.

I think I have way more examples of them being conservative than liberal. That is even more true if you remember that this discussion started about sexual morality and ethics. What founders could you describe as sexually liberal or radical? Would they be on the conservative side (right) or the liberal side (left) of that subject specifically.

You are more guilty of cherry picking than I am.

You are the one jumping from the Right to Conservatism to Founding Fathers to the Fed as if it was a seamless piece of cloth.

 

[mchammer]

You are more guilty of cherry picking than I am.

Pointing out holes in your broad brush view of history and political theory is not cherry picking.

 

[bystander]

GOP Assails N.Y. Bail Laws After Suspect in Zeldin Attack Is Released

Crime should be the number talking point for Republicans. Then the open borders. Then bring it home with inflation on Biden's watch.

 

[Monahorns]

Filling children with ******** is worse than what the Fed is doing. Yes, I can homeschool my kids, but plenty of families can't do that without pretty substantial hardship.

I'm not gung ho in favoring one or the other. The Fed is how the regime pushes all their agenda down through monetary manipulation. Without the Fed the DOEducation wouldn't be able to do as much as they did. Like I said start where you want as long as you don't stop.

How so?

US Constitution Article 1:

Section. 10.
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

The linked article gives a good discussion on the topic.

The Constitution And Paper Money | Clarence Carson

 

[Monahorns]

Pointing out holes in your broad brush view of history and political theory is not cherry picking.

I gave broad examples to explain my comments. You cherry picked slavery as an exception to the rule.

 

[Monahorns]

You are the one jumping from the Right to Conservatism to Founding Fathers to the Fed as if it was a seamless piece of cloth.

Do you even understand what Right Wing means? It means conservative. Take a look.

Right wing Definition & Meaning | Britannica Dictionary

It also means traditional and hierarchical which the founding generation surely was in morality, family values, monetary policy, foreign policy, financial policy, etc. But you got slavery right, so kudos.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I'm not gung ho in favoring one or the other. The Fed is how the regime pushes all their agenda down through monetary manipulation. Without the Fed the DOEducation wouldn't be able to do as much as they did. Like I said start where you want as long as you don't stop.

That's fine, though the DoEd could still cause all kinds of trouble even without the Fed. Again, I'm not a big Fed defender, but if I could only dump one of them, DoEd would be my pick. There's a level of evil there that's really hard to match with currency shenanigans.

US Constitution Article 1:

The linked article gives a good discussion on the topic

It's an interesting article that makes some good points. However, I see two problems. First, Art. I, Sec. 10 is a limit on state power. A state cannot coin money or issue bills of credit.

Second, Art. I, Sec. 8 does give Congress the power to coin money and to regulate its value. One could argue that it shouldn't be printing paper money, but that seems like a pretty minor technicality to me. They could just coin a crapload of money and set its value as they please. There's nothing that says it has to be backed by something or limited in any way.

 

[Monahorns]

It's an interesting article that makes some good points. However, I see two problems. First, Art. I, Sec. 10 is a limit on state power. A state cannot coin money or issue bills of credit.

Go back and read it. It only says state's can't issue paper money (aka fiat) which is what bills of credit means. It explicitly says that states can issue gold and silver coins. That is what "coin" means.

Second, Art. I, Sec. 8 does give Congress the power to coin money and to regulate its value. One could argue that it shouldn't be printing paper money, but that seems like a pretty minor technicality to me. They could just coin a crapload of money and set its value as they please. There's nothing that says it has to be backed by something or limited in any way.

Again, it doesn't say what you think it is saying.

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To coin money is to do something specific. It is to stamp out metal into coins which means they are authorized only to issue commodity money (money made out of precious metals). In the day the value of the weight of the metal used in the coin was the value of the coin. For example $1 worth of gold was used to make a $1 coin. The process to make fiat money is not "coining" it is "printing" which isn't mentioned in the constitution.

That is the only type of money allowed in the constitution. The Federal government only has the powers granted to it in the constitution. Therefore they don't have the right to print paper, fiat, money. They do it anyway because the Federal government violates the constitution every chance they get. Doesn't make it right. In fact it is how they steal from every citizen every day.

 

[Monahorns]

One could argue that it shouldn't be printing paper money, but that seems like a pretty minor technicality to me.

Only if you ignore what all these guys were saying about money at the time and what they were concerned with.

They could just coin a crapload of money and set its value as they please. There's nothing that says it has to be backed by something or limited in any way.

A coin is a weight of metal. The Bible speaks out about unjust weights and measures. If you have a coin that you say is worth $1 but it is really only worth $0.10 you are defrauding the people. And you can't just coin a crapload of money at value because precious metals are scarce. That is why they are scarce. It is also why they were used as money. Gold and silver weren't chosen as money on a whim. It was because they had intrinsic value.

If you printed pennies and called them dollars that is the same problem the founders were concerned about that led them to deny the right to print paper money.

If it isn't important what value money has as you say, then the price inflation of today also isn't important. Except we all know it is because it harms Americans when their money loses its value.

God's Monetary Policy In The Bible

 

[mchammer]

 

[mchammer]

 

[Mr. Deez]

Go back and read it. It only says state's can't issue paper money (aka fiat) which is what bills of credit means. It explicitly says that states can issue gold and silver coins. That is what "coin" means.

To coin money is to do something specific. It is to stamp out metal into coins which means they are authorized only to issue commodity money (money made out of precious metals). In the day the value of the weight of the metal used in the coin was the value of the coin. For example $1 worth of gold was used to make a $1 coin. The process to make fiat money is not "coining" it is "printing" which isn't mentioned in the constitution.

That is the only type of money allowed in the constitution. The Federal government only has the powers granted to it in the constitution. Therefore they don't have the right to print paper, fiat, money. They do it anyway because the Federal government violates the constitution every chance they get. Doesn't make it right. In fact it is how they steal from every citizen every day.

Only if you ignore what all these guys were saying about money at the time and what they were concerned with.

A coin is a weight of metal. The Bible speaks out about unjust weights and measures. If you have a coin that you say is worth $1 but it is really only worth $0.10 you are defrauding the people. And you can't just coin a crapload of money at value because precious metals are scarce. That is why they are scarce. It is also why they were used as money. Gold and silver weren't chosen as money on a whim. It was because they had intrinsic value.

Let me see if I have the argument straight. The gist of the argument is that the power "to coin money" found in Article I, Sec. 8 only means the power to coin money from gold and silver, which have inherent value. Furthermore, it means that the value of money is going to be based on the value of gold and silver, which is based on the market for gold and silver (rather than a central bank or other regulatory authority). Do I have this correct?