OU's 2005 W-L Record

those dumbass kids got their jobs like all the other players that just happened to work at the dealership where the "errors" were made. Like AP getting the free "test drive". Yeah, the football program didn't know anything was going on.
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All I know was that if Texas Tech did something similar, the sanctions would have lasted ten years and they would not be on TV or bowls for a few seasons. It sucks when the non-elites of the world have to compete with the big boys that already have big advantages in tems of money and tradition and then teams like USC, OU & half of the SEC get to cheat on top of this. The NCAA is a joke.
 
OU & the NCAA found out at the same time but the NCAA did nothing until OU completed their own investigation.
I have no idea who read their email first if it was an OU guy or a NCAA guy & the NCAA called up the OU guy & said "hey, did you read that?" or if OU contacted the NCAA saying "hey, we're looking into that!"
It really doesn't matter much either way because the NCAA did nothing until OU investigated the matter & they were waiting on the results of OU's investigation, much like they did w/ the whole 'AD is trying around a brand new Lexus from a used car dealer that doesn't even sell new cars'.

The NCAA receives hundreds of "tips" per day & generally does nothing about them but will make it known if it's serious in nature to the University that something is being tossed around about their program.
Horn fans would like to believe that the NCAA just got a tip & set up camp in Norman & that's just not true.
What is true is that both the NCAA & OU received an email the same day concerning players being paid for work not performed.
OU investigated the matter & found out it was true & sent the results to the NCAA. Then & only then did the NCAA get serious about the whole deal because OU turned themselves in.



March 3, 2006: OU and the NCAA enforcement staff receive an anonymous e-mail alleging the players' misconduct. This prompts a university investigation.

Aug. 21, 2006: OU acknowledges the violations in its preliminary report to the NCAA enforcement staff.

Sept. 20, 2006: The enforcement staff sends OU a notice of inquiry.

Feb. 9, 2007: The enforcement staff sends OU a notice of allegations, in which OU is notified it will go before the NCAA Committee on Infractions April 14.

March 8, 2007: The enforcement staff receives OU's response to the notice of allegations.

March 20, 2007: OU and the enforcement staff conduct a prehearing conference.

April 14, 2007: OU and the enforcement staff present their respective cases at a hearing before the NCAA Committee on Infractions.

July 11, 2007: The NCAA announces its sanctions on OU, extending the probation for two years, stripping away two additional scholarships and forcing them to vacate all wins during the 2005 season.

February 22, 2008: OU wins appeal of vacated wins.
 
Sooners everywhere must be so proud once again to have the NCAA's blessing in counting those wins. Not that they ever complied with NCAA's ruling regarding the wins before or during the appeal. If what matters to one is not getting punished for wrongdoing, OU is the place. Bully for them.
 
That cheating deal actually worked out real well for Stoops. He got to throw his 5 star QB under the bus after he figured out how ******* terrible he was. Stoops didn't have to put up with his sorry *** for 2 more years.
 
Show me source where it claims the NCAA investigated OU before OU investigated itself.
I would think an email to the head of the University would probably get the ball rolling much faster than some NCAA guy a thousand miles away would.
Show me where the NCAA did in fact investigate the Bomar deal before OU did.

This is the timeline in which the whole deal went down.
If you have another timeline in which it diputes this then I would love to see it.

March 3, 2006: OU and the NCAA enforcement staff receive an anonymous e-mail alleging the players' misconduct. This prompts a university investigation.

Aug. 21, 2006: OU acknowledges the violations in its preliminary report to the NCAA enforcement staff.

Sept. 20, 2006: The enforcement staff sends OU a notice of inquiry.
 
The goons & their cheatin' ways will continue. They can't help it, it's in their blood. What's just so hilarious is how every gooner that has posted speaks as if they were in the very board rooms with the coaches, AD & staff while all of this was transpiring.

Keep speaking with confidence & authority blOwU fans, someone is bound to believe you guys eventually.
 
seems to me that some of the Sooners' are laying down the cold hard facts w/ documentation to back it up & the NCAA was in agreement w/ what we said all along while the Horn fans are grasping at the grassy knoll theory with no substance attached.
 
Posting a timeline is not a presentation of cold hard facts. It offers absolutely no proof what so ever.

How do you know what the NCAA and the OU compliance staffs were doing during the timeline that you presented? The NCAA does not send out a Notice of Inquiry without first conducting a preliminary investigation. If the NCAA followed past precedence, their preliminary investigation would have been conducted concurrently but not in coordination with OU’s own investigation.

This is how the NCAA found out about the third player that OU missed or failed to mention in their initial response to the NCAA.

Let me guess, OU fans have a positive spin on that omission as well?
 
OU fans, I have a question for you.

Would the outcome be the same if we were talking about Louisville, Utah, Ole Miss, or even a school from our own conference, Oklahoma State? Would they have only received the initial slap on the wrist (vacate the wins, loss of a few scholly's, EXTENDED the probation they were already on) or would it have been worse?
 
Do you realize that you just made my arguement for me and contradicted yourself in the same message?

You state that I "make up" how the NCAA addresses infraction situations and then you provide a link to an ESPN article that states it happens just the way I presented it!!!!

When the article states that the NCAA will decide whether or not to investigate further, do you think they take the university in question's own word for it? No. They make their decision based on their own preliminary investigation after they compare it to the work provided to them by the university.

I am done with this debate. Keep trying to rationalize it all you want.
 
March 3, 2006: OU and the NCAA enforcement staff receive an anonymous e-mail alleging the players' misconduct. This prompts a university investigation.

Aug. 21, 2006: OU acknowledges the violations in its preliminary report to the NCAA enforcement staff.

Sept. 20, 2006: The enforcement staff sends OU a notice of inquiry.


So, in other words, after OU turned themselves in to the NCAA because of their own findings the NCAA then in turn sends OU a notice of inquiry which is what I've been saying all along & what actually (gasp) happened.

Aug. 21, 2006: OU acknowledges the violations in its preliminary report to the NCAA enforcement staff.

Sept. 20, 2006: The enforcement staff sends OU a notice of inquiry.


Notice the timeline here between when OU informed the NCAA of their own investigation & when the NCAA sent the letter of inquiry?
It was less than 6 months.

"The enforcement staff shall conduct the preliminary inquiry for a reasonable period of time to determine whether adequate information exists indicating that major violations of NCAA legislation occurred. If this is the case, then a letter of official inquiry is sent to the institution's CEO. The letter of official inquiry contains specific allegations against an institution. During the period of the preliminary inquiry, the enforcement staff shall inform the involved institution of the general status of the inquiry not later than six months after the date of the preliminary letter of inquiry."

So, if in fact the NCAA sent a preliminary letter of inquiry, then why doesn't the timeline of 6 months match up from the original email of March 3rd?
Hmmmm....reason, there was no preliminary inquiry. Only a heads up to OU that they received a tip that something fishy was going on.
OU did their own investigation & after they uncovered the facts they sent the finding to the NCAA.
5 months later but not exceeding 6, the NCAA informed OU they would follow up w/ OU's findings of misconduct by player(s) by sending OU a notice of inquiry.
Hopefully the simple math involved in this will clear things up.
I know it doesn't jive w/ your story or the NCAA Official Guidelines but maybe the link you provided will give you the true answers you seek instead of relying on a poster who has plenty of knowledge of how the NCAA actually works.
In short, your math doesn't add up w/ anything the NCAA says in their guidelines or common knowledge to "some" Sooners.
 
Cheated caught punished unpunished

Good for those who like the storyline. Let it rest Sooners, please, or show half a brain and discuss it somewhere other than the LONGHORN ON THE FIELD message board. Like maybe IN THE STANDS, or SOONERFANS. Sheesh!
 
Yeah no kidding. I'm so tired of these sooners coming over to here to defend what should be an embarrassing time in their program's embarrassing history.

What really bugs me is that people are too wiling to leave their moral fiber on the sideline in order to protect the reputation of a college football team. It is obvious to anybody with a brain that a lot of stupid **** was going on at Big Red AD's 3yr test drive included), and if you think that those two players were the only two on the take then you're either A) just being completely naive, or B) unwilling to accept the truth.

Now -- I don't believe, however, that there's much wrong in getting away with something. I speed a lot..don't always get caught. But I don't pretend like I'm a saint because the cops aren't writing me tickets.

You guys got caught cheating. Due to the fact that you're an elite program, you got off. I would probably expect the same results if Texas was caught. But I really believe that I wouldn't be on the OU fan site pretending that everything was fine and that we were the cleanest program in the universe.

In this day and age I just wish more people would own up **** instead of trying to spin and spin and spin. The acceptance of cheating and trying to get away with cheating (i.e. receiver motions he caught the ball when it clearly bounced) in sports is just another sign that society is circling the drain.

Honest men do not do that.

Who gives a **** when the letter was sent?
 
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