Olympics

[Duck Dodgers]

Damn, that's one ugly and mad looking dude in the article too!

I remember that article when it came out, and got a laugh. The judge had tossed the suit even before it could go to jury, and all the media, who desperately wanted the nags to win, could offer as a counter was - well that's not how one of the players feels.

Breaking news - suit dismissed, plaintiffs don't agree. Exciting details at 11!

 

[Monahorns]

I think a member of our National Team should be payed equally, and treated equally as the men. They should have the same type hotel accommodations,never play on artificial turf, and fly first class.
Look at the ratings her for the women's World Cup. They were huge.

You still have to pay for that. Either the US Soccer Federation spends money on that and gives less in salary or they up the salary and spend less on overhead. You can't just wish things to be true or change reality by writing the word "should" on a piece of paper.

I'll bet you the ratings of the women's world cup were no where near the men's world cup. I can't imagine they are anywhere close.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

It's even worse than that. As the judge who threw out their worthless lawsuit wrote:

The judge writes, “merely comparing what each team would have made under the other team’s CBA (collective bargaining agreement) is untenable in this case because it ignores the reality that MNT (men’s national team) and WNT (women’s national team) bargained for different agreements which reflect different preferences, and that the WNT explicitly rejected the terms that they now seek to retroactively impose on themselves…In May 2016, USSF offered the WNT a pay-to-play proposal similar to the MNT, but the WNT rejected it preferring an agreement that involved some element of guaranteed compensation.”

The nags wanted guaranteed money (like a bond), then whined when they didn't make as much as if they'd bought a stock, but without the risks.

 

[bystander]

Raisman proud of Biles: Took 'bravery' to pull out

It is Liberalism that is celebrating Simone Biles quitting on her team. They are saying how brave she was. Name a man who has quit on his team like this. She has set women back decades but Liberals are so sick they celebrate collapsing under pressure. It's the same with the tennis player Osaki. She was crushed in the Olympics and said it was too much pressure.

This is what Liberalism does. Hate America. Celebrate failure. Make excuses.

Katie Ledecky is the proper example. She has struggled as the world has caught up to her, but tonight she won gold. She personifies fight and the American way to continue to compete.

 

[NJlonghorn]

ESPN is such a garbage organization. Imagine Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers coming out at halftime of the Superbowl saying "my mental isn't there" and sitting out the second half of the game because they threw 2 INT in the first half and are down 14.

Would ESPN be marking it as a landmark achievement in recognizing mental health over winning?

Get the F out of here. Biles is the greatest female gymnast of our time and she **** the bed then left her team out to dry. Truly pathetic. Unless you rolled your ankle and can't physically compete, get your *** out there and contribute. She better not compete in the individual all around. Pathetic. If she was White Id be saying the same thing. Total garbage.

'You have to be 100%': Why Simone Biles withdrew from the team final

It was pretty bad - the tone of the article was - isn't it great that someone quit during the game - it made them feel good.

Look, it must be a meat grinder competing in the Olympics. But if you're not up for it, then don't try out for it - you've stolen a slot from someone for who it would be a life's dream to just make the team.

Hopefully she either goes home now, or finishes last in all the other events she competes in.

Raisman proud of Biles: Took 'bravery' to pull out

It is Liberalism that is celebrating Simone Biles quitting on her team. They are saying how brave she was. Name a man who has quit on his team like this. She has set women back decades but Liberals are so sick they celebrate collapsing under pressure. It's the same with the tennis player Osaki. She was crushed in the Olympics and said it was too much pressure.

This is what Liberalism does. Hate America. Celebrate failure. Make excuses.

Katie Ledecky is the proper example. She has struggled as the world has caught up to her, but tonight she won gold. She personifies fight and the American way to continue to compete.

It is fair to bash those who are celebrating the withdrawal as “brave” or the like. However , the criticism of Biles herself is unfair. When Chuck Knoblach had the yips, he threw a bunch of baseballs over the first baseman’s head. When a gymnast has the yips, she can seriously injure herself. For whatever reason, Biles lost her sense of spatial awareness and was getting lost in the air. She was falling on just about every difficult move. That’s really dangerous for her, and bad for the team as well. Withdrawing was the right choice. I wouldn’t call it brave, but it was smart.

 

[Hollandtx]

Y'all are missing the point on Biles and her withdrawal.
She has her marks lowered because the judges don't want other gymnasts to attempt the moves she makes because they are so dangerous.
We don't think of it often, but many moves made by gymnasts are potentially life threatening, or, at least, with one wrong move an athlete could break their neck or injure their spinal cord.

Biles screwed up majorly on her vault, on a routine with a very high degree of difficulty. She may have sprained an ankle on her botched landing, but it could have been much, much worse. She already has the pressure of the Olympics on her, and a huge pressure on the gymnastic team. The Russian coach said she was 70% of the team. She is also the only gymnast who was "treated" by Larry Nassar to still be competing, and who knows what memories competitions hold for her.

As great as she is, and most think she is the best gymnast ever, she was very shaken by what could have been. It freaked her out. Think of it as a golfer who gets the yips for no reason, or the baseball player who suddenly can't make a simple throw to first base, or pitch one over the plate. It's a mental situation.
If your mind isn't right, you have no business performing in a potentially dangerous sport. Her teammates ended up rising to the occasion to win the Silver medal, which blows my mind since 2 of the girls had no clue they would perform at all last evening.

It was super disappointing that Biles couldn't perform. I hope she can get her mind right before the individual events. But her best friend on the team doesn't think Biles will be over the mental block and fear of falling or injuring herself.
I'm not trying to be some champion for women's sports, but, I certainly don't think Biles is being a coward in any way. If her brain is telling her she can't do a vault, or any other routine, then she needs to step away before she is seriously injured.
And she was concerned that if she turned in a poor performance it would hurt, not help, her team.
And I am damn proud of that team. One of the girls hadn't even brought her official leotard, but, they almost beat the Russians.

 

[Mr. Deez]

When Chuck Knoblach had the yips, he threw a bunch of baseballs over the first baseman’s head.

Chuck Knoblauch (or Chuck Garlic as I sometimes call him since that's what his name means in German) is a name I haven't thought of in a long time. I remember this. He just lost his focus. Steve Sax (who was otherwise a very good second baseman for the Dodgers) had the same problem.

And I think people need to keep their perspective. To us this is just a game on TV. If she breaks her neck, we'll be horrified, but we'll eventually turn off the TV and go on with our lives. She will be paralyzed - if she's lucky enough not to be killed. Kinda hard to judge her for wanting to avoid that.

 

[bystander]

My father was a gymnast. He broke his collarbone falling off the high bar. HE NEVER WOULD HAVE QUIT.

We know it is a dangerous sport. My comments are in the context of Liberal BS. They are now lauding female athletes who are unable to cope with pressure yet they are demanding equality at the same time. That's the Liberal disconnect and selfishness on full display.

Osako (who bailed on the French Open and Wimbledon) and Biles are leading the way of mental fragility and Liberals applaud them for it.

@Mr. Deez - Didn't you start a thread a few months ago leading off with the idea of the wussification of America? Isn't this in that realm?

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

My father was a gymnast. He broke his collarbone falling off the high bar. HE NEVER WOULD HAVE QUIT.

We know it is a dangerous sport. My comments are in the context of Liberal BS. They are now lauding female athletes who are unable to cope with pressure yet they are demanding equality at the same time. That's the Liberal disconnect and selfishness on full display.

Osako (who bailed on the French Open and Wimbledon) and Biles are leading the way of mental fragility and Liberals applaud them for it.

@Mr. Deez - Didn't you start a thread a few months ago leading off with the idea of the wussification of America? Isn't this in that realm?

Spot on. "There's no crying in baseball".

In any other era we would have called this "cracking under the pressure". It happens in men's and women's sports but now liberals need to laud it as some sort of win....when you actually didn't win.

And as a former military person, this overall cultural move to celebrate acknowledging your fragility is harming our forces. Military in general and specifically elite forces are slowly being culturally undermined by the inclusion of women because women in general don't feel the same pressure to "man up".

when i was in basic training we sang a cadence specifically aimed at quitters. and it was effective at getting guys to "man up, suck it up and go".

"code tag upon my chest, these are men BELOW the rest"

code tag= a little tag you had to wear on your shirt when you couldn't do the same things as others due to injury or sickness. a lot of slackers used this to get out of tough things.

There are definitely some women who can not only hack it, but can frequently lead the way in a hostile and physically demanding environment. But it is a pretty small percentage. But by pursuing a model based on desired diversity, we have left behind the model that focused on excellence, resilience and toughness.

 

[theiioftx]

“For her team, for her country and for herself.”

 

[horninchicago]

I guess the 1980 hockey team is kicking themselves now knowing they could have bowed out and not had to have faced all those teams. They were working class guys for the most part. Probably had no struggles though since social media wasn't a factor.

 

[bystander]

I'm not saying I'm the toughest guy around. But quitting is quitting and the Liberal hysteria over protecting their own is EXACTLY what is wrong in our country. The wimpering grievance culture must be crushed at the polls. We are seeing it in full display at the Olympics.

I was talking to my wife last night and she was disgusted by how it makes women look. We talked about knowing women who cried at work and how those women who didn't hated them for it because it gave men validation about their assumptions concerning women.

 

[OUBubba]

I'm not saying I'm the toughest guy around. But quitting is quitting and the Liberal hysteria over protecting their own is EXACTLY what is wrong in our country. The wimpering grievance culture must be crushed at the polls. We are seeing it in full display at the Olympics.

I was talking to my wife last night and she was disgusted by how it makes women look. We talked about knowing women who cried at work and how those women who didn't hated them for it because it gave men validation about their assumptions concerning women.

So we know that Biles is "liberal"?

 

[bystander]

So we know that Biles is "liberal"?

I'm referring to the reaction on this. It is 100% pure feminist Liberal drivel. It is absolutely the culture of feminism to protect their own hysteria at all costs. Biles is a woman; politics or not. It is a standard for all.

 

[horninchicago]

So we know that Biles is "liberal"?

Um, pretty sure. She can't imagine black people doing what liberals perceive as an attempted coup on January 6. Not too may conservatives saying that.

Simone Biles Says 'Any' Athlete Has a Right to Share Their Opinions About Politics

 

[iatrogenic]

So we know that Biles is "liberal"?

Bubba, come on man. The conversation is about the lib's defense and celebration of quitting, even if it is the smart thing to do. It's not about Biles' political affiliation.

 

[theiioftx]

Biles quit to protect her legacy as one of the greats. Unfortunately for her, she will be remembered more for quitting than previous winning performances.

 

[OUBubba]

Spot on. "There's no crying in baseball".

In any other era we would have called this "cracking under the pressure". It happens in men's and women's sports but now liberals need to laud it as some sort of win....when you actually didn't win.

And as a former military person, this overall cultural move to celebrate acknowledging your fragility is harming our forces. Military in general and specifically elite forces are slowly being culturally undermined by the inclusion of women because women in general don't feel the same pressure to "man up".

when i was in basic training we sang a cadence specifically aimed at quitters. and it was effective at getting guys to "man up, suck it up and go".

"code tag upon my chest, these are men BELOW the rest"

code tag= a little tag you had to wear on your shirt when you couldn't do the same things as others due to injury or sickness. a lot of slackers used this to get out of tough things.

There are definitely some women who can not only hack it, but can frequently lead the way in a hostile and physically demanding environment. But it is a pretty small percentage. But by pursuing a model based on desired diversity, we have left behind the model that focused on excellence, resilience and toughness.

I agree with you on this part.

 

[bystander]

I just thought of a man who did similarly: Roberto Duran

"No Mas"

And that is what we remember about him even though prior to quitting he was one of the all-time greats.

We didn't all rush out to protect him just because he's a man. Nope. We don't do that.

 

[ut1969]

You just don't quit in the middle of a competition. On the Horn this morning, Bucky just went off about it. You just don't do that. Now that the door is open and liberals celebrate failure, you are going to see more and more of this.

 

[bystander]

The link is an example of Liberals doubling down on hyper-sensitivity which is the reason they are the way they are. They are not normal people who can cope with reality. So they attack everything that makes them feel bad or pressured. That is what our President represents and is the reason why we must crush them at the polls.

Why calling athletes like Simone Biles ‘GOAT’ is too much pressure, experts say

 

[OUBubba]

The link is an example of Liberals doubling down on hyper-sensitivity which is the reason they are the way they are. They are not normal people who can cope with reality. So they attack everything that makes them feel bad or pressured. That is what our President represents and is the reason why we must crush them at the polls.

Why calling athletes like Simone Biles ‘GOAT’ is too much pressure, experts say

How is this "liberals"? Seems to me it's the culture maturing a little.

 

[bystander]

How is this "liberals"? Seems to me it's the culture maturing a little.

All I can do is laugh. You are fully committed to the cause.

It is not maturity. It is called falling apart emotionally. How is that mature? Jeez....

 

[Seattle Husker]

My wife's reaction to Simone Biles pulling herself from the team competition was "that's so millenial".

As a society, we have become softer. In any other previous time Biles would have feigned a physical injury and/or crashed and burned in spectacular fashion. In this time she's able to admit succumbing to the mental fear of attempting to do things that no female has ever done before. The "Dad" in me says she let her team down. If that were my son/daughter I'd say "toughen up and compete with your team". Is that the proper response? It's not me putting my life/body on the line.

Pure conjecture...what culpability do the coaches have? Simone Biles was pushing the envelope, doing things that other females have never attempted in competition. How much is that on her and how much on the coaches. Isn't it possible that Biles could have simply been the best at doing the other stuff which is already challenging for female gymnasts?

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

My wife's reaction to Simone Biles pulling herself from the team competition was "that's so millenial".

As a society, we have become softer. In any other previous time Biles would have feigned a physical injury and/or crashed and burned in spectacular fashion. In this time she's able to admit succumbing to the mental fear of attempting to do things that no female has ever done before. The "Dad" in me says she let her team down. If that were my son/daughter I'd say "toughen up and compete with your team". Is that the proper response? It's not me putting my life/body on the line.

I do have an issue with Biles quitting in the heat of the competition and on her team, but the bigger, and the more profound problem is the Celebration of Quitting by some liberals and the media.

I have tapped out before in life as well. but I didn't (nor did I expect to) receive any praise for quitting.

 

[n64ra]

I liked the Biles comparison with a baseball player who has the yips. Is the difference that a manager would be the one benching the baseball player vs Biles benching herself? She should have told Coach Forster who should have made the call to bench Biles?

 

[Seattle Husker]

I liked the Biles comparison with a baseball player who has the yips. Is the difference that a manager would be the one benching the baseball player vs Biles benching herself? She should have told Coach Forster who should have made the call to bench Biles?

For whatever reason Biles isn't getting any protection from the USA coaches. I know she's been critical of them in the past which may be why they are letting her step out to the end of the branch by herself. Any other time she would have had some sort of protection from the coaches. At this point the only ones stepping up to defend her are her teammates, for now.

 

[bystander]

My wife's reaction to Simone Biles pulling herself from the team competition was "that's so millenial".

As a society, we have become softer. In any other previous time Biles would have feigned a physical injury and/or crashed and burned in spectacular fashion. In this time she's able to admit succumbing to the mental fear of attempting to do things that no female has ever done before. The "Dad" in me says she let her team down. If that were my son/daughter I'd say "toughen up and compete with your team". Is that the proper response? It's not me putting my life/body on the line.

Pure conjecture...what culpability do the coaches have? Simone Biles was pushing the envelope, doing things that other females have never attempted in competition. How much is that on her and how much on the coaches. Isn't it possible that Biles could have simply been the best at doing the other stuff which is already challenging for female gymnasts?

I also thought about the millennial angle. To me, there's two layers here: how this generation reacts to stress and the enablers. I'm speaking of the enablers.

As for the routines, I also discussed this with my wife and we likened it to high school students who take honors courses instead of regular courses. There is a supposed weight factor between the two but I'm not sure it weighs it correctly. If Simone did the same routine as the #2 in the world then I'd say we wouldn't be having this conversation. Clearly, she is to be respected for going places nobody has ever been. Maybe the coaches should have intervened and slowed her down. At the same time, she's Simone and what everyone saw was a super human being; not a person who had limitations, albeit much less than the rest of us.

 

[OUBubba]

All I can do is laugh. You are fully committed to the cause.

It is not maturity. It is called falling apart emotionally. How is that mature? Jeez....

I'm not saying her maturity. I'm saying ours. Maybe, in scenarios like this the best thing for the team was for her to not be out there. Osaka is a good example. The media storm that they have to deal with is not for everyone and she wasn't going to deal with it. I have three daughters. The oldest was tough as nails and an all state goalie. She didn't have much skill but she would have played with a limb missing. She missed the state championship game due to a torn ACL. She tried to convince the coach she could play. She couldn't have. The middle one had all of the skill and hand/eye in the world. She couldn't handle the heat/pressure of competition. People are different. This is not combat. This is a team sport and sometimes the second string player is better for the team than someone not at their peak. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[OUBubba]

There is a supposed weight factor between the two but I'm not sure it weighs it correctly.

Funny about how people deal with these things. My youngest is going to be a senior. She's never had a semester grade less than an A and that one time was in about 4th grade. She has taken some college classes instead of honors/AP. Due to the scoring, she's currently 65th in her class of about 180. Her momma is going to talk to the Principal after her senior year to encourage them to re-think how they score things. If she did it now it would seem petty, or, aggy, as it were.