Obama's parting gifts to the American people
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Because what they really want is everything - choice, cheap cost, and high quality. The market will deliver high quality and choice and for most it'll deliver cheap costs. However, if you're old, poor, or have some other condition that makes you high risk, it won't be cheap and very likely won't be cheap enough for you to afford it. That's why healthcare became a political issue. If it was truly just a matter of choice preference, then Medicare and Medicaid would be politically easy programs to repeal or at least reform.
The problem is that it is a corrupt market. Simply requiring transparency in pricing would solve most of the problems. Simply make hospitals/doctors post a menu for example that says this:
knee surgery:
Surgeon - $1,100
Operating room (support staff) $1,000
Anesthesia - $800
Pharmacy - $200
Note: actual dollars do not matter. Hospital A will feel pressure to lower price if Hospital B is lower.
Next, require all commercial insurance to be transparent in what they pay for as well.
Note: as a clinical provider, you get paid differently by state and differently by procedure simply due to required documentation. Plus your competitor gets paid differently than you confidentially.
For Medicare/Medicaid, require each to pay at least cost plus 10%. No provider should lose money providing required care. Providers should be paid within 30 days of service.
Finally, every patient should pay something for service. When it is absolutely “free” to go to the hospital or doctor, there is no reason not to misuse the system.
knee surgery:
Surgeon - $1,100
Operating room (support staff) $1,000
Anesthesia - $800
Pharmacy - $200
Note: actual dollars do not matter. Hospital A will feel pressure to lower price if Hospital B is lower.
Next, require all commercial insurance to be transparent in what they pay for as well.
Note: as a clinical provider, you get paid differently by state and differently by procedure simply due to required documentation. Plus your competitor gets paid differently than you confidentially.
For Medicare/Medicaid, require each to pay at least cost plus 10%. No provider should lose money providing required care. Providers should be paid within 30 days of service.
Finally, every patient should pay something for service. When it is absolutely “free” to go to the hospital or doctor, there is no reason not to misuse the system.
Monahorns
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Government run healthcare won't give you everything. Anybody who thinks it can is a fool.
The 3 wants are low cost, high quality, and availability. Reality allows for 2. That's it. Pick which 2 are most important to you. The trick is having a market to allow different programs where the different permutations exist.
The 3 wants are low cost, high quality, and availability. Reality allows for 2. That's it. Pick which 2 are most important to you. The trick is having a market to allow different programs where the different permutations exist.
Joe Fan
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Another one of Obama's "green energy" boondoggles has gone belly up
This was a $1 BILLION project
What do you want to bet me Harry Reid got some type of kickback in some form?
People make fun of Rick Perry all the time and there is no doubt he deserves it, but even he was better at this stuff than Obama's guy who did not think twice about wasting taxpayer money
The Obama Admin will go down as one of the worst ever. They screwed up everything they touched, from foreign affairs (Iran,Syria,Libya), to healthcare, to trade deals, to weaponizing the govt against its own people, to his weak attempt to close Gitmo, spying on political opponents, to the energy sector.
A $1 Billion Solar Plant Was Obsolete Before It Ever Went Online
This was a $1 BILLION project
What do you want to bet me Harry Reid got some type of kickback in some form?
People make fun of Rick Perry all the time and there is no doubt he deserves it, but even he was better at this stuff than Obama's guy who did not think twice about wasting taxpayer money
The Obama Admin will go down as one of the worst ever. They screwed up everything they touched, from foreign affairs (Iran,Syria,Libya), to healthcare, to trade deals, to weaponizing the govt against its own people, to his weak attempt to close Gitmo, spying on political opponents, to the energy sector.
The Crescent Dunes solar plant looks like something out of a sci-fi movie. Ten thousand mirrors form a spiral almost 2 miles wide that winds around a skyscraper rising above the desert between Las Vegas and Reno. The operation soaks up enough heat from the sun’s rays to spin steam turbines and store energy in the form of molten salt.
In 2011 the $1 billion project was to be the biggest solar plant of its kind, and it looked like the future of renewable power. Citigroup Inc. and other financiers invested $140 million with its developer, SolarReserve Inc. Steven Chu, the U.S. Department of Energy secretary at the time, offered the company government loan guarantees, and Harry Reid, then the Senate majority leader and senior senator from Nevada, cleared the way for the company to build on public land. At a Washington celebration of SolarReserve’s public funding, Chief Executive Officer Kevin Smith told the assembled politicians, “We’re proud to be doing our part to win the future.”
SolarReserve may have done its part, but today the company doesn’t rank among the winners. Instead, it’s mired in litigation and accusations of mismanagement at Crescent Dunes, where taxpayers remain on the hook for $737 million in loan guarantees.....
In 2011 the $1 billion project was to be the biggest solar plant of its kind, and it looked like the future of renewable power. Citigroup Inc. and other financiers invested $140 million with its developer, SolarReserve Inc. Steven Chu, the U.S. Department of Energy secretary at the time, offered the company government loan guarantees, and Harry Reid, then the Senate majority leader and senior senator from Nevada, cleared the way for the company to build on public land. At a Washington celebration of SolarReserve’s public funding, Chief Executive Officer Kevin Smith told the assembled politicians, “We’re proud to be doing our part to win the future.”
SolarReserve may have done its part, but today the company doesn’t rank among the winners. Instead, it’s mired in litigation and accusations of mismanagement at Crescent Dunes, where taxpayers remain on the hook for $737 million in loan guarantees.....
A $1 Billion Solar Plant Was Obsolete Before It Ever Went Online
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Joe Fan
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And yet another one of Obama's solar ponzi schemes has flamed out. This one turned into the largest Ponzi scheme in Eastern California history. This whole enterpise originated during the Obama Administration and benefited from government subsidies in the process
“This billion dollar Ponzi scheme hurt investors and took money from the United States Treasury. This case represents not only the largest criminal fraud scheme in the history of the District, it also represents the largest criminal forfeiture in the history of the District with over $120 million in assets forfeited. All of this money will be returned to the victims. This scheme also targeted the United States Treasury, and we have returned $500 million to the Treasury to date. Agents, investigators and attorneys from various federal agencies are still working to continue to return money to victims and the United States Treasury. Today’s guilty pleas sends a strong message that fraudsters will get caught and will pay for their crimes. You can run, but you cannot hide.”
Top Executives Plead Guilty to Participating in a Billion Dollar Ponzi Scheme—the Biggest Criminal Fraud Scheme in the History of the Eastern District of California
Everybody forgets about this ****, and it's what made HRC's whinniness about racism in 2016 ring so hollow. She ran the most racist presidential campaign in 2008 of any candidate from either party in at least 40 years. Maybe George Wallace had her beat by a little but not much.
I would bet my left nut that Obama voted for Trump.
Key words here are "I think".
The statement was almost entirely false. They was one incident where a Clinton staffer made a racist statement about Obama and Clinton called Obama and apologized.
Compare that to the current pres that started his campaign with racism as the core principle and never eased up. Ever heard the current pres apologize about anything. Never head another pres candidate call a competitor's wife butt ugly, his Dad an assassin before either and have that candidate become the guys puddle. Cruz makes Texans proud they way he stood up fore his wife. Oh wait, that is the same way he stands up for his constitutes.
To be clear, Trump was the bigger *******. There's no question about that. That's his whole schtick. He has literally been a professional ******* for years - ever since he became a celebrity for something other than just his real estate business.
Hillary just ran a more overtly racist campaign. And it wasn't just her staff. There was Sidney Blumenthal, who was a birther before Trump made birtherism cool. There was the "hardworking white Americans" comment, etc. The same people that she **** on in 2016 by calling them "deplorable" were getting actively courted by her with an explicit reference to their race. That's Steve King-level stuff. She didn't have to answer for that, because the political media licks your party's nutsack every two minutes, but it still happened.
Opinion, or do you have a source?
Sorry, that has not be proven true.
Did Sid Blumenthal really push birtherism?
That has nothing to do with race. I did not say that HRC ran a good campaign. In my opinion, the reason we have trump is due to 1. Comey 2. Bernie 3. Russian 4. HRC campaign
We have never had a more Raciest pres than trump, my opinion.
Given how well minorities are doing in this economy, I'd say Trump really sucks at being a racist, if he is one at all.
Joe Fan
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Did you know it was Team Clinton that started the whole 'birtherism' movement?
I believe it was axe-murderer Sidney Blumenthal who came up with that first.
Monahorns
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It's an opinion, but it's an opinion based on facts. I'm not just pulling it out of my ***.
It's fluff piece for Hillary Clinton less than two months before the election to cast doubt on the Blumenthal-birther connection, because she was trying to tie birtherism exclusively to Trump. As you tacitly acknowledge it only says the Blumenthal angle hasn't been proven. Basically, it's a swearing match between James Asher with McClatchy and Sid Blumenthal. Blumenthal denies pitching birtherism. Well, no ****. Excuse me for being more inclined to believe the journalist over the career Clinton hack less than two weeks before an election.
"Hardworking white Americans" has nothing to do with race? OK, dude. That had nothing to do with race like "Jews will not replace us" had nothing to do with race.
You have Trump, because for the last few decades, you've telling a very large demographic of people in electorally important states to go screw themselves, and Hillary put an exclamation point on that. If you hadn't done that, Trump would have lost. He was the easiest Republican nominee to beat in a century. People in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin didn't give two squirts of piss about Comey or the Russians. Maybe a little bit about Bernie, but that was part of the broader problem. He had a different approach to those voters than she did.
The "basket of deplorables" comment hurt more than any of those things you mentioned. I would agree that her campaign sucked, but that dumbass comment was part of her campaign, and I'm sure it helped her run up the score in San Francisco, New York City, Seattle, and Washington, D.C.
But all of our nominees were racists right? Romney, McCain, Bush, Dole, Bush, Sr., Reagan, Nixon. They were all racists. You'd say otherwise when it didn't matter, but near election time, they were all closet David Dukes - another reason you got Trump.
Do you know / recall some of the questions?
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