Not even Spicer will defend this claim....

[iatrogenic]

And the blatant, partisan attack continues. Obviously, Dems don't want to see the evidence this investigation would uncover.

This represents "investigative disparity", and Congress should pass a law or regulation giving everyone the right to investigate such matters. Their previous actions, character, or level of integrity or motivation be damned!

 

[OUBubba]

And the blatant, partisan attack continues. Obviously, Dems don't want to see the evidence this investigation would uncover.

This represents "investigative disparity", and Congress should pass a law or regulation giving everyone the right to investigate such matters. Their previous actions, character, or level of integrity or motivation be damned!

If it is partisan then why are red states not cooperating as well?

 

[Seattle Husker]

If it is partisan then why are red states not cooperating as well?

Yep. At this time, the response is very BI-partisan in that red and blue states are telling Kobach to jump in a lake, the Gulf of Mexico and other large bodies of water. Not much opportunity for bipartisan unity but Trump/Kobach seem to have hit on one issue.

 

[Joe Fan]

"Colorado's 3,400 voter de-registrations scaring Democrats"
July 15, 2017, By Monica Showalter

"Democrats have always dismissed Republican concerns about illegal voter registrations and evidence of fraudulent voting as pure fantasy. (my edit -- like the poster who started this thread). Why, no illegal immigrant would dream of voting in a U.S. election, despite demonstrating a penchant for lawbreaking by entering the U.S. illegally. There's no such thing as a multiple-county or multiple-state voters despite the assorted convictions of ACORN operatives, which tell a different story. There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant casting a ballot – despite big money for voter registration efforts in illegal immigrant areas. Meanwhile, the very idea that illegal votes would be heavily slanted toward benefiting Democrats – who, in the Hugo Chávez style, offer free stuff from others' pockets – is unimaginable!

Turns out that what's going on in Colorado refutes each and every one of those echo-chamber "narratives."

Top officials in the Democratic National Committee are worried about a sudden drop in voter registrations in Colorado, concerned that President Donald Trump's new election commission is encouraging Democrats across the country to remove themselves from the electoral grid for fear of revealing personal information to the GOP leadership.

Led by DNC Chairman Tom Perez, they've begun an effort – in conjunction with the Colorado Democratic Party – to persuade other members of the party's rank-and-file to stay registered.
​

Now, make no mistake: the mainstream media are trying to spin the entire issue as one of "privacy" and "voter intimidation" just as the Democrats themselves are doing. Not once, for instance, in this piece, does the writer bring up that perhaps illegal aliens have registered in large numbers and now want to pull their names off the radar one step ahead of the law as the integrity of voter registrations and voting records is at long last being scrutinized – at the same time as an illegal immigration crackdown.

There's reason to think de-registrations are happening precisely because illegally registered voters don't want their records of illegal voting known. If they were known, they would become prosecutable crimes and would likely take the perpetrators out of the running for any sort of amnesty or other opportunity for naturalization in the future. Illegal aliens have their interests like anyone else, and they act in their interests. It's reasonable to suggest that illegally registered voters – who had been illegally voting in broad daylight – are now scurrying for the shadows. They took a benefit that didn't belong to them, canceled out the votes of legitimate citizens in a very purple swing state, and now wish to avoid any consequences.​

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog..._voter_deregistrations_scaring_democrats.html

 

[Seattle Husker]

"Colorado's 3,400 voter de-registrations scaring Democrats"
July 15, 2017, By Monica Showalter

"Democrats have always dismissed Republican concerns about illegal voter registrations and evidence of fraudulent voting as pure fantasy. (my edit -- like the poster who started this thread). Why, no illegal immigrant would dream of voting in a U.S. election, despite demonstrating a penchant for lawbreaking by entering the U.S. illegally. There's no such thing as a multiple-county or multiple-state voters despite the assorted convictions of ACORN operatives, which tell a different story. There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant casting a ballot – despite big money for voter registration efforts in illegal immigrant areas. Meanwhile, the very idea that illegal votes would be heavily slanted toward benefiting Democrats – who, in the Hugo Chávez style, offer free stuff from others' pockets – is unimaginable!

Turns out that what's going on in Colorado refutes each and every one of those echo-chamber "narratives."

Top officials in the Democratic National Committee are worried about a sudden drop in voter registrations in Colorado, concerned that President Donald Trump's new election commission is encouraging Democrats across the country to remove themselves from the electoral grid for fear of revealing personal information to the GOP leadership.

Led by DNC Chairman Tom Perez, they've begun an effort – in conjunction with the Colorado Democratic Party – to persuade other members of the party's rank-and-file to stay registered.
​

Now, make no mistake: the mainstream media are trying to spin the entire issue as one of "privacy" and "voter intimidation" just as the Democrats themselves are doing. Not once, for instance, in this piece, does the writer bring up that perhaps illegal aliens have registered in large numbers and now want to pull their names off the radar one step ahead of the law as the integrity of voter registrations and voting records is at long last being scrutinized – at the same time as an illegal immigration crackdown.

There's reason to think de-registrations are happening precisely because illegally registered voters don't want their records of illegal voting known. If they were known, they would become prosecutable crimes and would likely take the perpetrators out of the running for any sort of amnesty or other opportunity for naturalization in the future. Illegal aliens have their interests like anyone else, and they act in their interests. It's reasonable to suggest that illegally registered voters – who had been illegally voting in broad daylight – are now scurrying for the shadows. They took a benefit that didn't belong to them, canceled out the votes of legitimate citizens in a very purple swing state, and now wish to avoid any consequences.​

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog..._voter_deregistrations_scaring_democrats.html

They can't even remove the details from the complaints that were submitted about their process. Why should any state trust them with the vast amounts of data they've requested? Seriously, send it to them via unsecured email or a site with no encryption? It's as if this commission is being run by amateurs.

 

[Joe Fan]

He's right. He has to be.
They are obviously hiding something

 

[Seattle Husker]

He's right. He has to be.
They are obviously hiding something

Obviously. The only rational reason for not wanting to hand over the data to the commission is that the states are hiding widescale voter fraud.

 

[Joe Fan]

College student gets 100 days in slammer for registering dead voters for Dems
Weird they could get a conviction for something that never happens

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...mer-for-registering-dead-voters-for-dems.html

 

[Seattle Husker]

College student gets 100 days in slammer for registering dead voters for Dems
Weird they could get a conviction for something that never happens

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...mer-for-registering-dead-voters-for-dems.html

Here is what's missing...nobody has been able to close the loop and show that the dead people voted en masse. Some lazy dude in VA does not prove that anyone every fraudulently voted which is the claim. It should be easy to prove so by all means get to VA, pull this guys registrations which are probably public record as evidence in the trial and determine if anyone voted. Then and only then will you prove your ultimate claim.

 

[Joe Fan]

"Florida Democrat Election Official Admits Noncitizens, Felons Voting"

http://dailysignal.com/2017/08/30/f...fficial-admits-noncitizens-felons-voting/amp/

 

[Seattle Husker]

"Florida Democrat Election Official Admits Noncitizens, Felons Voting"

http://dailysignal.com/2017/08/30/f...fficial-admits-noncitizens-felons-voting/amp/

Here's a less biased source which the daily signal based their article on. Clearly Broward County needs better methods to update their voter rolls. If this lawsuit results in them putting in better methods to clean up their voter rolls then it's a net benefit.

 

[Joe Fan]

See also http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/7/voter-fraud-alert-over-5000-new-hampshire-presiden/

 

[Joe Fan]

Nobody seems to care about this but its pretty outrageous. The OP certainly doesnt want to deal with it.

The Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach says there may have been enough illegal votes cast in the New Hamshire Senatororial election to alter the outcome

"..... According to statistics released by the Speaker of the New Hampshire House of Representatives, on the date of the general election in November 2016, there were 6,540 same-day registrants who registered to vote in New Hampshire using an out-of-state driver’s license to prove their identity. In and of itself, that doesn’t prove that any fraud occurred – theoretically, each of those individuals could have been someone who recently moved to the State and had not yet had time to get a New Hampshire driver’s license. According to New Hampshire law, a new resident has 60 days to obtain a New Hampshire driver’s license.

So if those 6,540 voters were bona fide New Hampshire residents, they would get their driver’s license no later than January 7, 2017. However, the numbers tell a very different story. It turns out that, as of August 30, 2017 – nearly ten months after the election – only 1,014 of the 6,540 same-day registrants who registered with an out-of-state license had obtained a New Hampshire driver’s license. The other 5,526 individuals never obtained a New Hampshire driver’s license. And, of those 5,526, only 213 registered a vehicle in New Hampshire.

So 5,313 of those voters neither obtained a New Hampshire driver’s license nor registered a vehicle in New Hampshire. They have not followed the legal requirements for residents regarding driver’s licenses, and it appears that they are not actually residing in New Hampshire. It seems that they never were bona fide residents of the State.

5,513 is a big number – more than enough to swing two very important elections. The closest major election was the contest between incumbent Republican U.S. Senator Kelly Ayotte and challenger Maggie Hassan (D). Hassan won the election by a razor-thin margin of 1,017 votes. Those 5,313 fraudulent votes were more than enough to swing the election. If 59.2 percent or more of them went for Hassan, then the election was stolen through voter fraud. That’s likely, since the surrounding states are Democrat strongholds.

It’s also possible that New Hampshire’s four electoral college votes were swung to Hillary Clinton through illegal voting by nonresidents. Clinton won New Hampshire by only 2,732 votes. If 74.8 percent of the 5,513 fraudulent votes were cast for Clinton, then the presidential election in New Hampshire was tipped as well....."​

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/7/voter-fraud-alert-over-5000-new-hampshire-presiden/

 

[Monahorns]

I for one care. And I will use this article the next time someone scoffs at voter ID laws or says there is no evidence of voter fraud. The people who say there is no fraud are actively looking away.

 

[Mr. Deez]

I for one care. And I will use this article the next time someone scoffs at voter ID laws or says there is no evidence of voter fraud. The people who say there is no fraud are actively looking away.

The problem is that voter ID (which I support) wouldn't have prevented this. These people had IDs. To me this story is an example of why we shouldn't have same day registration (which I've always thought was a stupid-*** idea) and why an out-of-state ID shouldn't be allowed to be used to prove voter eligibility.

 

[Joe Fan]

 

[Seattle Husker]

The problem is that voter ID (which I support) wouldn't have prevented this. These people had IDs. To me this story is an example of why we shouldn't have same day registration (which I've always thought was a stupid-*** idea) and why an out-of-state ID shouldn't be allowed to be used to prove voter eligibility.

I agree with same-day registration. That seems a little absurd.

The 5k number doesn't seem that off to me when you consider that nearly every out of state college student who wishes to vote locally would likely fall into that category. Throw in any transplants that didn't bother to follow the rules on licensing/tabs and the number is very reasonable.

The fact that Kobach is claiming definitive evidence of "fraud" shows just how biased he is and why the commission he's co-leading is the real fraud.

 

[Monahorns]

The fact that you dismiss Kobach's claims so easily based on such flimsy speculation shows just how biased you are.

Sorry about that but let's be more careful before we declare someone guilty of fraud.

 

[OUBubba]

I heard a podcast a while back with Corey Lewindowski as the guest and he scoffed at suggestions that New Hampshire was a victim of this kind of voter fraud. He's from Mass. and lives in New Hampshire. He is a voter ID fan but said that all of the hubbub about NH voter fraud was mythical. I'm not a fan of his but at least can respect that he seems to not be a 100% ideologue.

 

[Seattle Husker]

The fact that you dismiss Kobach's claims so easily based on such flimsy speculation shows just how biased you are.

Sorry about that but let's be more careful before we declare someone guilty of fraud.

Dismissed? I'd say investigate that 5k but even the group that supplied the data stated that it was not a definitive example of fraud. Only Kobach and some rightwing pundits have jumped to that conclusion. Remember, this is a commission that Pence claims is approaching the investigation with no preconceived bias yet Kobach has clearly shown that's not true.

In turn, the "fraud" accusation for Kobach, at a minimum, fits. Laughably, Kobach is a paid contributor to Brietbart while being a co-lead on the commission. Based on his history he's already decided the outcome and is simply looking for evidence.

His crusade in Kansas has netted 6 documented cases of voter fraud after claiming he had evidence of thousands. 5 of those cases were elderly who sent in their spouses ballot after they passed away. Big win there, eh?

 

[BrntOrngStmpeDe]

voter fraud is a great peril but the article above does little to prove (or really even substantiate a claim of ) fraud. It's a anomaly that could have several reasons. If and when they can prosecute on some of these cases, I'll start to listen. I'm in favor of the ID bills but I'm not in favor of manufacturing evidence to make the case. 5,274 is a lot of people to be involved in a voter fraud conspiracy. Seems like something would have rattled loose that was a little stronger than this if there were really 5,274 involved in fraud.

 

[OUBubba]

voter fraud is a great peril but the article above does little to prove (or really even substantiate a claim of ) fraud. It's a anomaly that could have several reasons. If and when they can prosecute on some of these cases, I'll start to listen. I'm in favor of the ID bills but I'm not in favor of manufacturing evidence to make the case. 5,274 is a lot of people to be involved in a voter fraud conspiracy. Seems like something would have rattled loose that was a little stronger than this if there were really 5,274 involved in fraud.

Statistically, incorrect. No peril for in person voting. If the right was concerned about actual fraud they'd be tightening up absentee. When that comes along at least they won't be as clearly hypocritical.

 

[Joe Fan]

.....all of the hubbub about NH voter fraud was mythical. I'm not a fan of his but at least can respect that he seems to not be a 100% ideologue.

it is difitenly not mythical
It is something well known, for a long time
I would encourage you to speak with someone who has run campaigns in that part of the country. They know

 

[Seattle Husker]

it is difitenly not mythical
It is something well known, for a long time
I would encourage you to speak with someone who has run campaigns in that part of the country. They know

They know, yet haven't been able to provide a scintilla of evidence of buses full of out-of-state individuals at voting booths. All they have is 5k voters that didn't register a car within 6 months or transfer their license to NH. CONFIRMED! Fraud! At least Kobach says as much although it should be noted that his post-commission quotes today claimed he "should have used different language". As in...more investigation is needed rather than "incontrovertible evidence of fraud". LOL!

 

[OUBubba]

it is difitenly not mythical
It is something well known, for a long time
I would encourage you to speak with someone who has run campaigns in that part of the country. They know

Do we call it Sasquatch, yeti, the stink monster or something else? We don't find their homes either.

 

[Mr. Deez]

What happened in NH is cause for investigation. However, we're a long way away from calling it fraud. It may become that, but we're not there yet.

And again, dump same day registration.

 

[NJlonghorn]

Nobody seems to care about this but its pretty outrageous. The OP certainly doesnt want to deal with it.

I'm gonna try to make this post without getting sucked back in to all things Hornfans. I won't even look at other threads. Hopefully, I'm not like an alcoholic saying "just this one".

My friend (whose son "Greg" -- I changed the name -- attends Dartmouth) posted the following on Facebook:

Greg registered to vote on Election Day using his NJ driver's license. I guess he's one of the "fraudulent votes" Kobach caught red handed in New Hampshire. The only catch is that out of state students are eligible to vote in NH but aren't required to move their license. The other 5312 are probably the same.

To be fair, Greg's mom feels the Bern. She probably views Greg's experience as conclusive proof that there has never been a single instance of voter fraud in the history of NH. I'm not asking you to trust her and walk away from the issue. It should be investigated. But let's not get our panties in a wad over an issue that is probably a big fat nothing.

PS -- I realized just before posting this that I'm the OP @Joe Fan says doesn't want to deal with this. Wrong. I don't want to leap to conclusions, but I do think it should be looked into.

 

[Mr. Deez]

The beast is back.

 

[Joe Fan]

So its not voter fraud if New Hampshire Democrats/Socialists dont care about it?
Is this really you guys' best argument?

 

[mchammer]

If college students are still claimed by their parents for tax purposes, they should only vote in their hometown (via absentee ballot). To do otherwise is voter fraud in my opinion.