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Yeah Ivan. I think Gay is in the wiring not the programming. Where do you think homosexuality comes from?
 
Probably someone who is just a horrible excuse for a human being. That or someone who didn't want to divert the discussion too far down the road but didn't want to let something that inaccurate go unnoticed, and who figured that someone might actually be curious enough to look it up and see what he was talking about. I'd go with the first option though.

But I'll give you bonus points if you can point out the word used in his original comment that is not contained in the clause itself.
 
So god created everyone in his image and likeness except the gays?

What about the midgets and conjoined twins and other physical aberrations. What divine blueprint was used there?
 
Dion, when it says "image", it's trying to pertain to our qualities/abilties, such as the ability to love, have compassion, be just, etc.

I would actually agree with Satchel in the regard that God detests homosexual acts. In regard to the "wiring" statements, we're all born sinners, and gay attraction is just another form our sinful nature can manifest itself, similar to a person prone to anger or pride.
How we react to our nature determines wether we sin or not. If I blow up at someone because I've gotten angry, I've sinned, or if i lust after a woman that is not my wife. in similar regard, a gay man who commits homosexual acts has sinned. the attraction itself is not what we refer to as the sinful act itself. God does not hate gay people. God still loves us all, even though we are sinners. he would not have sent Christ to die for our sins if he did not love us. Believers too are called to love our neighbors, even if they are gay, but we should not condone sinful acts.
 
As clearly pointed out earlier, there are not enough religous conservatives in the electorate to produce the voting numbers in in favor of banning same sex marraiges in every
state that has allowed a vote by the people.
The majority people decide moral and legal values, not the minority. Do not confuse minority rights with deviancy.
 
Ivan: I guess we are all guilty of projecting our own mindset on others. My heterosexual sex drive is a wired part of my being. Certainly I have to keep that drive in check -- but the touch of an attractive woman, having her close, just looking at her makes a big difference in how I am with the world. I can keep my behaviors within moral bounds, but the sex drive is central to my being. I kinda of assumed that if I were gay, I'd long for the close presence of a man I cared about in the same way. I guess it's hard to draw the line between empathy and projection. How do you think it is for gay peopole or do you even care?
 
I would actually agree with Satchel in the regard that God detests homosexual acts.

Give me a break. You don't know what God detests or doesn't detest. There is a serious break with reality when people start acting like they "know" what God likes or hates.
 
it's not difficult to surmise based off writings in the bible. people have studied it for hundreds of years. You just attempted to establish a position, hypocritically, a few posts ago when you responded to NightFlyer (presumably based off the old testament, even though you continue scoff at the bible anyway). We have the bible to help teach us about who we believe to be our God.

This merely reaffirms my point: the confusion, if not delusion, that the Xtian myth text actually, really tells us what God thinks, instead of accepting that compilation of books as a man-made creation depicting social and cultural standards as existed in the mid-east and environs at that time.

In other words, the Xtian myth text does NOT tell us what God thinks. Anymore than any other text does. So, if one really, really thinks that the Xtian myth text DOES tell us what God herself thinks, then I cannot overcome that delusion. It's not necessarily a bad delusion, but one should, at a minimum, intellectually realize the difference between the Xtian myth text and what, or what not, the supreme being thinks.

The above poster, as do many others, apparently equates the XMT (Xtian myth text) with what the supreme being thinks. It is thinking (or lack of thinking) like that that leads us to the fundamentalist, the literalist.

So, let me explain. You don't know what God thinks. I don't know what God thinks. Nobody knows what God thinks. They may think they do. They may say they do. But they are lying, or deluded, or naive. They may parrot back verses from their chosen myth text, but as we've just seen, they are unable to differentiate that text from the actual thoughts of the supreme being (if such a being exists).

Muslims can tell us what God thinks. As can any other devotee. So what? It just gets down to varous groups clucking about their god, how their god is the right one, how they "know" what god wants. You'd think people would figure this out by now.

It takes a massive amount of indoctrination/brainwashing to get people to accept their religious tenets as "fact". And most resent/get defensive when that is pointed out to them. It's like they cannot operate at any level beyond that of a third-grade sunday school class.

I scoff at the notion that you know what God thinks, or likes. It's merely a power play, a political ploy, a naive assertion to support your pre-existing position.
 
I have it on good word that god also hates: ham, papercuts, Unix, quiche, American beer, ennui, Louisiana, art deco, Gilbert Gottfried and trigonometry.

He loves locusts, frogs, sweet tender virgins and oozing skin boils.

I was a little surprised to find that he does not like piña coladas or getting caught in the rain.
 
You got it, Dio.

A little known "fact" is that one cannot get to heaven if one has damaged testicles, or probably even a damaged penis. So... what about all those god-fearin' folk who have had vasectomies?

All this is laid out in the XMT (Xtian myth text). In the book of Neuteronomy, or something like that.

But really now, yahoos telling us what God thinks? What he likes? That's some scary stuff and leads to very bad things happening.

At this point, I don't think the problem is lack of education. It's more like inherent stupidity of humanity.
 
you believe the bible to be a myth (that much is abundantly apparent), where we believe it is God influenced and reveals much of his character through the words of prophets, various kings, Jesus and his apostles, all of whom had some form of contact with God, his angels, or Christ himself.

The point of arguing whether it is true or not is folly with you. You believe it's a myth, we believe it to be true (not fact, but reasonable belief). We'll just have to agree to disagree if it is an accurate representation of God.

However, just because you believe it to be a myth does not mean you need to bash those people of faith who believe it to be true. To attack someone's intelligence for having faith doesn't make you look any more intelligent, but makes you look like an ***.
 
Of course it is. That is his preferred method of dodging questions and ruining meaningful discussions. That and his penchant for calling people ignorant.

As someone said the other day, most of us think that Perham rides the short bus.

We don't think he is retarded. We did not specifically state such a thing. We just think he rides the short bus.
 
I love how Perham says "no one can know" and yet he apparently does know, because I don't see a single "I think" or I believe" in his rants. But I see a lot of positive affirmations and a lot of attempts to pretend he knows more than everyone about everything.

And then, of course, he completely screws up his theology because he doesn't know what he's talking about. Dude, you hate the Bible and you hate Christianity - that's fine. But don't pretend to be an expert because you make yourself look foolish. Your total lack of understanding of what the Old testament is shows that.

Bayer, if you haven't already seen this about Perham, he likes to find little insignificant things to argue about where his language and yours do not match, and he will then use that to argue that the person is stupid/infantile/unsophisticated/etc.

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Yep, I've found that Perham rarely addresses the real issue, but chooses to attack grammer or a percieved lack of intelligence, whilst completely dodging the real question. I'll probably realize at some point there's no point in trying to reason with him.
 
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