New York is having a rough time

[Mr. Deez]

Cuomo announces his resignation. I guess he didn't have the votes to avoid removal. Link.

I wonder how long before CNN hires him to team up with his brother.

 

[theiioftx]

Tara Reade wants a microphone and camera in front of her.

 

[OUBubba]

11. Make it 26 and then run for President. Until then, hush it.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Cuomo should be put away.

 

[bystander]

Another massive Liberal media hero flaming out.

I think we should stop pretending "our" politicians are honest and instead understand that the love affair with these charlatans is all about your own inferiority complex.

 

[OUBubba]

Another massive Liberal media hero flaming out.

I think we should stop pretending "our" politicians are honest and instead understand that the love affair with these charlatans is all about your own inferiority complex.

Cool....now do Trump being the presumptive GOP nominee!

 

[OUBubba]

Another massive Liberal media hero flaming out.

I think we should stop pretending "our" politicians are honest and instead understand that the love affair with these charlatans is all about your own inferiority complex.

And, to be clear, he was pressured to resign from all levels of the Democratic party for conduct that pales in comparison to that of the former President. And, if anyone dares speak out against him, the base chews them up and spits them out. I think there's a start difference the Democratic and GOP methods of dealing with this kind of bad behavior in their respective parties.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Cool....now do Trump being the presumptive GOP nominee!

I already have.

 

[OUBubba]

I already have.

Are you bystander?

 

[Horn2RunAgain]

Instead of harassing women he should have gone black face and ridiculed an entire race of people. Would have saved his gig. Democrats are cool with that stuff

 

[Mr. Deez]

And, to be clear, he was pressured to resign from all levels of the Democratic party for conduct that pales in comparison to that of the former President. And, if anyone dares speak out against him, the base chews them up and spits them out. I think there's a start difference the Democratic and GOP methods of dealing with this kind of bad behavior in their respective parties.

Again, the sanctimony nauseates. Nobody's pressuring Ralph Northam. Nobody's pressuring Justin Fairfax. Nobody pressured Bill Clinton.

Cuomo was pressured to resign, because he isn't useful anymore, and because he was an ******* to other Democrats long before this controversy was commonly known. He had very few real friends and a lot of enemies in his own party. The whole narrative that he was a great, unifying leader was a media-created fraud. It was never real. Democratic insiders always knew he was slimy.

What if New York had a Republican Lt. Governor? What if it was more competitive (like Virginia)? In other words, what if losing an incumbent actually meant possibly losing power? They'd be rallying around Cuomo. They may condemn what he did once it became undeniable, but they'd never support ousting him and giving a Republican an opportunity to gain power. That would be out of the question.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Instead of harassing women he should have gone black face and ridiculed an entire race of people. Would have saved his gig. Democrats are cool with that stuff

They're cool with all of it if not being cool with it costs them power.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Are you bystander?

Are you Barry Switzer?

 

[bystander]

Trump's personal actions were not acceptable to me.

 

[Seattle Husker]

And, to be clear, he was pressured to resign from all levels of the Democratic party for conduct that pales in comparison to that of the former President. And, if anyone dares speak out against him, the base chews them up and spits them out. I think there's a start difference the Democratic and GOP methods of dealing with this kind of bad behavior in their respective parties.

D's have no problem eating their own if the evidence warrants it. That was a change after Bill Clinton departed. They'll even overreact (See Al Franken) rather than risk not being perceived as supportive of women.

Cuomo was pressured to resign, because he isn't useful anymore

Not useful anymore? Haven't looked at polling lately but I'd lay money he had more general appeal for POTUS '24 than Harris.

Not saying he could fully overcome this mess but the D's are all in on women's issues and nobody, even a popular D like Cuomo, can violate a woman's trust and survive.

Let's be clear why he was popular among Ds. He offered up intelligent, cogent and insightful Covid briefings in contrast to the person that resided in the WH at the time. That shouldn't have been a cause celebre but the bar was pretty low at that moment, no talk of drinking bleach or sticking UV lights up your *** as a cure for Covid.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Not useful anymore? Haven't looked at polling lately but I'd lay money he had more general appeal for POTUS '24 than Harris.

To the people who were making the decision (New York state legislators), he isn't useful.

But even to the national party, his use was short-term - basically 2020 and not much more. By '24, the sexual abuse and Covid handling would have created big vulnerabilities.

And Kamala Harris can't be the standard. She has unusually poor appeal, and the party leaders know it. That's why they didn't push for her in '20. The Democrats have a dozen potential options that are better than her or Cuomo.

Not saying he could fully overcome this mess but the D's are all in on women's issues and nobody, even a popular D like Cuomo, can violate a woman's trust and survive.

Justin Fairfax can. Bill Clinton's could. But they were useful.

Let's be clear why he was popular among Ds. He offered up intelligent, cogent and insightful Covid briefings in contrast the the person that resided in the WH at the time. That shouldn't have been a cause celebre but the bar was pretty low at that moment, no talk of drinking bleach or sticking UV lights up your *** as a cure for Covid.

You're not wrong, but think of how superficial and easy for a competent opponent to attack this is. Yes, he sounded intelligent, cogent, and insightful to media figures who liked him and hated the other guy who sounded like a buffoon. So those media figures said lots of nice things about him, and Democratic voters who like and trust those media figures because they say what those voters want to hear agreed with them. Not too surprising. However, up against somebody who doesn't sound like a buffoon, he doesn't look as good. They might bring up the nursing homes and the horrendous death rate (which should be what matters most). The reality is that Cuomo's reputation as a great leader was fake and agenda-driven. Democratic state legislators in New York knew better.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Justin Fairfax can. Bill Clinton's could. But they were useful.

Fairfax was lucky that he wasn't high profile enough at the time. Still, his star has been effectively extinguished. (From Wikipedia)

After the allegations became public, Fairfax was placed on leave from his law firm, asked to step down from the board of visitors at Duke University's Sanford School of Public Policy, and left his post as chairman of the Democratic Lieutenant Governors Association.[77] Four of his staffers (two from his state office and two from his political action committee) quit in the wake of the allegations.[78]

Regarding this next passage:

You're not wrong, but think of how superficial and easy for a competent opponent to attack this is. Yes, he sounded intelligent, cogent, and insightful to media figures who liked him and hated the other guy who sounded like a buffoon. So those media figures said lots of nice things about him, and Democratic voters who like and trust those media figures because they say what those voters want to hear agreed with them. Not too surprising. However, up against somebody who doesn't sound like a buffoon, he doesn't look as good. They might bring up the nursing homes and the horrendous death rate (which should be what matters most). The reality is that Cuomo's reputation as a great leader was fake and agenda-driven. Democratic state legislators in New York knew better.

I think you're overleveraging the media angle. In this case the media followed the viewers that desperately wanted a counter to the Orange one. Liberals wanted a leader who took Covid seriously and could speak on the topic eloquently. Other Governors tried (Inslee, Newson, MD Gov) but didn't have the benefit of their states being impacted as much which gave Cuomo, rightly or wrongly, credibility in the fight. So, Cuomo got a primetime seat with his PC's running nearly in sequence to Trump's mess. The comparison was natural when you'd seen them both back to back. Leadership, especially political leadership, is primarily opportunity. Cuomo stepped into the void left by Trump. That wasn't media driven but apparent by listening to them talk on the issue. It was only later that the skeletons in the closet became apparent.

 

[Sangre Naranjada]

Once again, Deez wraps up Democrat scumbaggery and ties it off with a nice shiny bow.

 

[EDT]

 

[n64ra]

What a backwards *** state New York is getting their first female governor in the 2020s while awesome Texas also had its first in the 20s - 1920s that is!

Kathy Hochul will take over as New York governor | CNN Politics

 

[OUBubba]

Northam, Fairfax, et al. Add all of the **** they did and Trump turns into this guy:

 

[HornHuskerDad]

And Kamala Harris can't be the standard. She has unusually poor appeal, and the party leaders know it. That's why they didn't push for her in '20. The Democrats have a dozen potential options that are better than her or Cuomo.

It will be interesting to watch in 2024. If Joe doesn't run for reelection, Kamala, as the sitting VP, will think it's hers for the taking. If she mounts a fight for the nomination and the party doesn't give it to her, it could seriously divide the party. And if they do nominate Kamala, she'll be destroyed in the general election.

 

[theiioftx]

Northam, Fairfax, et al. Add all of the **** they did and Trump turns into this guy:

TDS

 

[bystander]

Cool....now do Trump being the presumptive GOP nominee!

My feeling is I hope he is not the nominee. My other feeling is that Liberalism must be crushed.

How can I reconcile the two?

 

[Mr. Deez]

Fairfax was lucky that he wasn't high profile enough at the time. Still, his star has been effectively extinguished. (From Wikipedia)

This is true, but none of it involves Democrats forfeiting or risking the forfeiture of power. That's the key difference. Had they canned Fairfax (or Northam who had done something that would be a career destroyer for a Republican), it would be a threat to power, because VA is bluish (meaning a Republican can win when the candidate is strong and when the conditions are at least somewhat favorable) rather than solidly blue like NY is.

I think you're overleveraging the media angle. In this case the media followed the viewers that desperately wanted a counter to the Orange one. Liberals wanted a leader who took Covid seriously and could speak on the topic eloquently. Other Governors tried (Inslee, Newson, MD Gov) but didn't have the benefit of their states being impacted as much which gave Cuomo, rightly or wrongly, credibility in the fight. So, Cuomo got a primetime seat with his PC's running nearly in sequence to Trump's mess. The comparison was natural when you'd seen them both back to back. Leadership, especially political leadership, is primarily opportunity. Cuomo stepped into the void left by Trump. That wasn't media driven but apparent by listening to them talk on the issue. It was only later that the skeletons in the closet became apparent.

Do we actually know the media followed the viewers? I don't think most people watched either of these guys' briefings as they were happening. They watched clips of them on the news and the commentary.

Nevertheless, when I say Cuomo's rep as a great Covid leader was media-driven, I don't mean that he didn't actually communicate well. He did. He said all the right things and said them in erudite verbiage while Trump acted like a buffoon who was all over the map. (I will say this. If Trump hadn't acted like a buffoon, I don't think it would have made a difference to the media or to liberal voters. I think it would have made a difference to independents.) What I mean is that on the substance, Cuomo's record on Covid was much more questionable and vulnerable to criticism than the rhetoric and the accolades from the media would suggest. Furthermore, if you speak well in public, but you act like an ******* in private like Cuomo did (and I mean to Democratic leaders that he had to work with, not just the women he thought he had the right to grope anytime he felt like it), it suggests that the strong leadership your rhetoric evokes is a facade rather than something the public can actually count on to get results.

 

[Mr. Deez]

Northam, Fairfax, et al. Add all of the **** they did and Trump turns into this guy:

Keep in mind that I'm not a Trump guy. I didn't vote for him in '16, and I only did in '20 because Biden basically put a political gun to my head in a way that Hillary did not. So the whataboutism is pretty meaningless to me.

 

[bystander]

I only did in '20 because Biden basically put a political gun to my head in a way that Hillary did not.

 

[OUBubba]

Keep in mind that I'm not a Trump guy. I didn't vote for him in '16, and I only did in '20 because Biden basically put a political gun to my head in a way that Hillary did not. So the whataboutism is pretty meaningless to me.

Says all my friends in their f'n MAGA hats. When I see a 17 year old wearing a MAGA hat it physically hurts me.

 

[OUBubba]

This is true, but none of it involves Democrats forfeiting or risking the forfeiture of power. That's the key difference. Had they canned Fairfax (or Northam who had done something that would be a career destroyer for a Republican), it would be a threat to power, because VA is bluish (meaning a Republican can win when the candidate is strong and when the conditions are at least somewhat favorable) rather than solidly blue like NY is.



Do we actually know the media followed the viewers? I don't think most people watched either of these guys' briefings as they were happening. They watched clips of them on the news and the commentary.

Nevertheless, when I say Cuomo's rep as a great Covid leader was media-driven, I don't mean that he didn't actually communicate well. He did. He said all the right things and said them in erudite verbiage while Trump acted like a buffoon who was all over the map. (I will say this. If Trump hadn't acted like a buffoon, I don't think it would have made a difference to the media or to liberal voters. I think it would have made a difference to independents.) What I mean is that on the substance, Cuomo's record on Covid was much more questionable and vulnerable to criticism than the rhetoric and the accolades from the media would suggest. Furthermore, if you speak well in public, but you act like an ******* in private like Cuomo did (and I mean to Democratic leaders that he had to work with, not just the women he thought he had the right to grope anytime he felt like it), it suggests that the strong leadership your rhetoric evokes is a facade rather than something the public can actually count on to get results.

Cuomo was awesome at the press conferences. He was ****** in the planning room.

 

[Seattle Husker]

Cuomo was awesome at the press conferences. He was ****** in the planning room.

All hat, no cattle. Did I use that idiom correctly?