My problem with anti-hunting people
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ousuxndallas
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This was pointed out earlier, but bears repeating.
The hunting takes place well before the trigger is pulled. Scouting is done for months to determine how deer move through the countryside. A blind is usually set up in a place where your odds of seeing game are substantially increased.
In most parts of Texas, it is literally impossible to hunt whitetail deer unless you are elevated in a blind and/or stand. The brush is simply too thick and the elevation change too little to stalk on foot. This doesn't make that hunter any less of a sportsman.
Finally, hunters are the #1 contributor to wildlife and habitat conservation around the country. In general, hunters give back to the land much more than they take.
The hunting takes place well before the trigger is pulled. Scouting is done for months to determine how deer move through the countryside. A blind is usually set up in a place where your odds of seeing game are substantially increased.
In most parts of Texas, it is literally impossible to hunt whitetail deer unless you are elevated in a blind and/or stand. The brush is simply too thick and the elevation change too little to stalk on foot. This doesn't make that hunter any less of a sportsman.
Finally, hunters are the #1 contributor to wildlife and habitat conservation around the country. In general, hunters give back to the land much more than they take.
examples of "hunting" which make no sense to me...
I love Leopards sooo much I just had to kill me one - see....
I simply ran two miles chasing this beast & belly bumped him and broke his neck
I shot him for you DAD - Do you love me now?
stop licking yourself - stop licking yourself...
Whose the KING now? Huh? Huh?
You can see the image location for more glorious examples of big game "hunting"
I love Leopards sooo much I just had to kill me one - see....
I simply ran two miles chasing this beast & belly bumped him and broke his neck
I shot him for you DAD - Do you love me now?
stop licking yourself - stop licking yourself...
Whose the KING now? Huh? Huh?
You can see the image location for more glorious examples of big game "hunting"
Brisketexan
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Seeing those images of African hunts reminds me that I have never had any ambition to hunt any of the African big game, particularly predators. Just doesn't ring my bell. MAYBE some of the antelope species would be an okay hunt, and I understand that a real Cape Bufallo hunt, stalking on foot, is one of the ballsiest hunts on Earth. But really, if I was given the opportunity, I'd rather just go on safari and check the critters out -- maybe bird hunt and fish some, but that's about it.
That said though, there's a complexity to the Africa issue -- big-game hunting revenue and business is one of the largest drivers in helping keep certain populations of African species viable. In other words, if there wasn't a crapload of money to be made in westerners coming and hunting some of those animals, they long ago would have been wiped out by subsistence hunting. For a naturalist, it presents something of a conundrum.
Heck, let's look at Bison here in the U.S. I love bison meat. I think they are spectacular animals, emblematic of our history, for both good and bad. I might not mind a bison hunt. But I wouldn't want to do the modern-day equivalent of the market hunting of the 1800s -- getting into range with animals that aren't that spooky, and plugging one with a big rifle. That experience would do nothing for me -- it's essentially just "harvesting" the animal. Now, if I were on someone's ranch, and I was just buying the meat, and that's how you procured the meat, I might do it -- but it wouldn't be a "hunt" to me.
Now, if I were in the shape to do it, I think that a hunt on horseback, with a bow, shooting on the run like the Sioux did -- that would be pretty damn spectacular.
If I'm going to eat 1,000 lbs of bison meat, is it better if I (a) buy it at the market, (b) walk out to a ranch and plug one and clean it myself, or (c) shoot it with a bow from horseback? I think that all are acceptable, from the "I'm going to eat 1,000 lbs of meat" perspective. But only one would I REALLY call hunting. There's nothing WRONG with the other two options -- it's just a matter of the philosophy behind what you label it.
That said though, there's a complexity to the Africa issue -- big-game hunting revenue and business is one of the largest drivers in helping keep certain populations of African species viable. In other words, if there wasn't a crapload of money to be made in westerners coming and hunting some of those animals, they long ago would have been wiped out by subsistence hunting. For a naturalist, it presents something of a conundrum.
Heck, let's look at Bison here in the U.S. I love bison meat. I think they are spectacular animals, emblematic of our history, for both good and bad. I might not mind a bison hunt. But I wouldn't want to do the modern-day equivalent of the market hunting of the 1800s -- getting into range with animals that aren't that spooky, and plugging one with a big rifle. That experience would do nothing for me -- it's essentially just "harvesting" the animal. Now, if I were on someone's ranch, and I was just buying the meat, and that's how you procured the meat, I might do it -- but it wouldn't be a "hunt" to me.
Now, if I were in the shape to do it, I think that a hunt on horseback, with a bow, shooting on the run like the Sioux did -- that would be pretty damn spectacular.
If I'm going to eat 1,000 lbs of bison meat, is it better if I (a) buy it at the market, (b) walk out to a ranch and plug one and clean it myself, or (c) shoot it with a bow from horseback? I think that all are acceptable, from the "I'm going to eat 1,000 lbs of meat" perspective. But only one would I REALLY call hunting. There's nothing WRONG with the other two options -- it's just a matter of the philosophy behind what you label it.
There are fewer than 50k wild elephants left in the World.
That's less than 1% of their original number some 50 years ago.
They are most def on the endangered list & have been since 1989.
I love to hunt & like I said before own several bird dogs & hunt any type of feathered animal but, people hunting animals for the pure thrill of killing a trophy is something I don't understand.
Most of the trophy hunted animals takes all the skill of shooting a parked car.
That's less than 1% of their original number some 50 years ago.
They are most def on the endangered list & have been since 1989.
I love to hunt & like I said before own several bird dogs & hunt any type of feathered animal but, people hunting animals for the pure thrill of killing a trophy is something I don't understand.
Most of the trophy hunted animals takes all the skill of shooting a parked car.
texashorne
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ousuxndallas
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CleverNickname
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I have been a vegetarian since the summer of 2001; and just last fall I went on a hunt at our ranch.
I didn't shoot anything, but I did sit cold & quiet and drank whiskey to keep warm. My buddy (who paid for his hunt with sweat equity; i.e. lots and lots of cedar and mesquite) did shoot a deer. I don't think I would have, but I felt the thrill of the hunt. My thinking as an ethical vegetarian: whats one deer (who lived wild and free and died in an instant) compared to all those factory farmed beeves, hogs and chickens? The suffering is nearly negligible.
Plus its an excuse for men to hang out and be outdoors.
I didn't shoot anything, but I did sit cold & quiet and drank whiskey to keep warm. My buddy (who paid for his hunt with sweat equity; i.e. lots and lots of cedar and mesquite) did shoot a deer. I don't think I would have, but I felt the thrill of the hunt. My thinking as an ethical vegetarian: whats one deer (who lived wild and free and died in an instant) compared to all those factory farmed beeves, hogs and chickens? The suffering is nearly negligible.
Plus its an excuse for men to hang out and be outdoors.
Uncle Rico
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hablue and horin hong kong can hunt with me anytime!!
Uncle Rico
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