My problem with anti-hunting people

I'm wondering how old Uncle Rico is.

I eat meat. I don't know what you mean by "frown upon people that hunt." I don't hunt and if you want to hunt, good for you. On the other hand, I do give **** to my friends or cousins who paint themselves green, put on camouflage, hide in a blind, pour corn on the ground, and then wait for a deer to come eat the corn. But it isn't an "I'm judging you and you are a bad person because you do this" kind of crap. Its just me giving them ****. If you think that I am "frowning upon" them because I make fun of them for doing so, then, yes, you can still bite me.
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Ok, so what your family said then was not "ridiculous crap"?

ur, this thread is obviously your venting at your family and their views on hunting. You should work out this issue with them, if you are able. You sound like a responsible hunter. Unfortunately, not all hunters are like that.

I don't have a problem with hunting, to be honest.
 
More deer are killed by cars than hunters. Speaking of which, my father (grew up on a poor farm) has taken home deer from his own road-kill. Not because he just loves the taste, but because he flat out couldn't stand the idea of something good being wasted. Weird, I know... but to paint hunters with this brush of being wasters just trying to get a kill is unfair.
 
I duck hunt, which involves calling, setting decoys, dog training scouting, and wing shooting. I consider it a sport and very challanging, skill wise and physically. I don't give a crap about deer hunting. It is boring and boring, on top of boring. You can put a nine y.o. in a blind over corn and he/she will successfull. Plus, I hate cleaning, repeat, hate cleaning deer.
 
non hunter who doesn't really care, but......

i do see the point of those who call out hunters with feeders. i think the whole level playing field is going a bit far as wel,but the feeders seem a little ridiculous. maybe the feeders should dispense some quick acting poison and we could take any skill out alltogether?
 
supplemental feeding whether it be by feeder, food plots, etc are a vital component of any wildlife management program.....especially during a drought conditions such as those we're experiencing in South Texas right now. More supplemental food means a higher fawn (and mature deer) surival rate. Yes, shooting a deer over a feeder is less sporting, but in the end the result is the same.

I have no problem with hunters shooting whatever they plan to eat...I don't even have an issue with shooting hogs to keep their numbers down. They're not natural to the state, and they're causing unbelievable damage to the ecosystem.

Regarding hunting outside the States, I would not kill a Rhino and really don't understand why some one would want to do it. I have no problem with the taking of most any other African game by hunters...even those that want the game just for his wall. I know that any animal killed by a hunter in Africa will be used entirely by the hunter and the locals. Also, all animals in Africa will eventually meet their end at the hands or claws of a predator. At least the guy who kills the trophy will think about and honor that animal for the rest of his life...the pack of lions will stop thinking about their last kill as soon as they have their next kill.
 
Somebody needs to mention that hunters, in some cases, actually help ensure the survival of some species. They want to make sure they have something to kill, therefore they make sure the animals exist in sufficient numbers to be killed. Not always the case, of course.
 
OrangeChipper, tell your Dad to be careful taking home roadkill. It is hard to kill an animal with a car without rupturing the internal organs. Those organs, if ruptured, can bacterially contaminate the entire carcass.

In a less judgemental anecdote... my grandfather maintained a large property out in west texas (wool and mohair) and would lease out certain pastures for hunting. That said, he had a soft spot in him for the deer, so he started feeding closer to the house which moved the population mostly off the leased pastures and on to the working property. We would frequently sit out on the patio and watch a good +75 deer nightly come up within 20 feet of the house to eat the feed. Quite a sight to see.
 
I love deer and duck hunting--goose hunting too, I only shoot what I intend to eat and do more to improve habitat than most-- wetlands improvements, feed plot planting

I get a deer or two every year--often a doe or spike so those on the lease can have better chances at big deer-- I think of it as harvesting and keeping enough deer sausage to make everyone happy, we make sure not to over harvest because we are managing a resource that we would like to see continue.
 
Hunting is about being out in the country with your boys, with a plug of red man in with a great dog.

You walk around with a shotgun bullshitting about texas football and girls and the like and when the dog flushes some doves or quail you shoot at them.

If you hit them fantastic an the doggie is so happy.

You take them home or to the cabin or whatever(again with your friends after being out in the woods all day bullshitting and spitting tobacco everywhere) and you sit down and crack open beers and cook something delicious.

Then you drink more beer, talk some texas football and go to sleep.

Anyone who doesn't understand how that would appeal to someone need not be consulted about their opinion.

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My issue with the hunter hater is not when they question whether it is sporting, but when they complain about the death of the deer. Its as if they think deer live forever on magical meadows, but for the evil hunter killing them.

But every deer is going to die at some point and several of the ways deer die are far less humane than beng shot by a hunter. Getting hit by a car and slowly dying by the roadside with massive injuries, getting attacked by a pack of wolves/coyotes and possibly being partially eaten while still alive, a slow painfiull death by starvation which prior to actual death makes you risk things your instincts tell you not to, cross roads you wouldn't, etc., infections due to insects, snake bites, injuries, etc.

I don't think people realize the extent of over population of deer and the related consequences and how well managed hunting helps the situation.
 
I have leased a place for about 10 years. It is 400 acre tract in Milam County. This is not a place that is over populated with deer. It is not a place very many people would be interested in hunting because of the lack of population. The first year I leased this place I hunted hard every weekend and saw 2 deer all season. I built the hated blind and fenced off an area for a feeder and protein feeder. The following year I saw 6-8 deer all season. Finally the 3rd season I killed my first deer off of this place. It was a small 6 point with 5 on 1 side and 1 on the other. Not the kind of deer I wanted to continue to breed in the small herd. I wasn't proud of the deer, I felt was neccessary for the herd.

Then the fourth year the land owner next to me high fenced his ranch and brought in breeder bucks. Befroe the high fence was complete the neighbor put up feeders about 50 yards off the poperty line to draw in everything he could. That year I bought a game camera and put at my feeder just to get an idea of what was feeding at the feeder. From Sept - Jan I had 40 pictures more than half was Hogs very few deer. That season I saw some deer but very few however most were bucks albeit small bucks.

I continued hunting at this place because it was close to home, cheap and there were lots of doves, ducks and fishing For the money I am paying it is worth the price for the other recreation available. THe sixtht year rooled around and we had a huge flood in the area. The flood washed out the neighbors high fence and that fall when I put my camera out I was in for a huge surprise. We now had axis, fallow, huge white tail and one water buffalo.

I am still hunting that same blind that I put up the 2nd year on the lease the 6 point is still the only buck I have taken off of the place. Not because I could have killed other deer but because I have chose not to. In ten years we have went from almost no deer to seeing deer everytime we hunt.

I still use the camera to determine what deer I want to kill and then I hunt exclusively for that deer. For you anti blind and feeder people this sounds easy. I can tell you from experience that just because that feeder and blind is there doesn't mean the deer will show up. I will not pull a trigger until I know the deer is the deer that I have been looking for. I have spent a small fortune on this place and work hard to know what animals are there and what I might wnat to kill. I have a 10 year old son that desparately wnats to take his first deer hopefully next season will be the time for him.

I am the blind hunting, feeder filling, rifle shooting, unsprotsmanlike SOB everyone seems to hate and
I will wear that badge with honor. Because I know the time, effort, money and luck it has taken me and 4 four great friends to have this place as an enjoyable place to hunt, fish, camp and enjoy the outdoors with our young children. Yes we all want to kill a deer every year. But it doesn't happen. The greatest feeling in the world to me was last year when my 9 yr old put his scope on his first opportunity to kill a deer looked at the deer and pulled his rifle down and said "No dad he is too small I will wait for a bigger buck." He didn't have the chance for the remainder of the season.
 
nice post hablue and i'm with you on that.

i hunt in blanco on about 120 acres. it's great because my family's property is in between the forest and the blanco river so they cross all the time to get water and then go back for food.

i have been the only one hunting it for about 5 years since my uncle has been out of the state. there are now more deer than we know what to do with around there and it's great to be selective. it's great to make sure you are not making a mistake and it's great just to watch them get bigger.

it's not even high fenced and we don't have much of a policy with the neighbors but my uncle and i have seen the biggest bucks we've ever seen out there the last two seasons because of our mgmt.

that said, we could stand to take about 2-3 doe per person.
 
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